VonBlade Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Re Detail. Hmmm. Tough one. This is an experiment that's been run for 45 years now on those particular terms. We've got to know the general results style and performance levels. To adjust it now, so late in the day, might make Lupo decidely average, or Maia suddenly great. Or, and this is a definite, lose the ability for Welling to win the Cup. So I'd suggest that you leave this one as it is and run the 09 experiment with full detail. Otherwise you'd just be starting a new experiment 45 years into the future. Imho. VB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Lambs Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I am all for a more detailed experiment. Impressed with a non-league team winning such a big trophy, who is their manager, or more to the point is he any good? Great post as usual. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRHaggs Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 I agree with VonBlade. As interested as I am in a higher degree of accuracy, I'm afraid the experiment will not last long enough, at this stage, to make much sense of the change. So, I'm voting for keeping things as they are. What a wild season. I share the collective optimism about the coming campaign. Looks like things are set up nicely, and, with a gelled clubhouse, the sky's the limit for next season. Kip, you are the man. I've been following this for months and months and my FM game has benefited greatly from the knowledge gleaned from your brilliant experiment. One request: For the 'world best XI' list, would it be possible to include L/R sides so that we can get an even clearer picture of the mid-21st century footballing world? Thanks for your continued commitment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maviarab Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Wow Kip what an end to the season. welling in Europe? Man thats crazy heh, but fear more of the same from the Bandits. Lets hope they can settle the squad over the summer and finally do what we all know they are capable of. As for detail level, another thumbs up with Vonblade. I would leave it as it is for now and go full detail with 09, but ultimatly you are the one doing the work, so your decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjtopor Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Exciting stuff in the cups, both Bandits and Welling. I sure hope the new manager is given a bit more time, particularly considering the board's track record in hiring new managers. As far as the detail - from my experience, more detail = more impact of the abilities of the individual players as opposed to club reputation and the like. I suspect if you switch the English league to full detail, you'll see more of the top stars playing in the prem, and more European cups come England's way. All in all, we have 44 years under our belts, what's the harm in learning more about something else, now? This did start as an experiment, after all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Robinson Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 After following the experiment from the first page, I agree with VonBlade, this version of the experiment should continue as it is, the next version should see any major changes. David Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom =) Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 this should be a sticky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Originally posted by Tom =):this should be a sticky I'm happy to do it if it is wanted. The level of presentation by kipfizh in this thread is second to none, it really is a shining example of how the sorts of threads in this forum should be run. Any stickying/thread title changing/editing that kipfizh wants done, just give me a shout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Walds Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 To be honest, it's popular enough to be kept near the top anyway... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyedOutMan Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Hey mate...great thread from what i've read....ive only just caught on and havent read the whole thing, but it looks really interesting. Tried to set up a similar one myself. Just had my first season though and for some strange reason my team is significantly better than yours seemed to be at first. First season, no signings or sales, won every game...p42, w42, scored 578 goals, conceded zero, won the FA Cup, FA Trophy and Setanta Shield! any idea why the massive difference?! The main strikers got 363 goals between them in all comps, with a further 5 players getting over fifty, of which oneo got 97! What could I have done so differently?! I think my stadium might have been edited to a bit bigger than yours but other than that...and anyway, no signings were made... spooky! any thoughts anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harv88 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 i think turning on full detail would bring this back to being an experiment again, dont get me wrong this thread is great as it is but now we can compare what happens in full detail to what happened without it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Hum... I really don't know what I think about full detail. The first thing that popped in my mind when I read Kipfizh's suggestion was along the lines of what VonBlade posted but then I thought it could be a good way to spot some differences between having the same game on full detail or not... overall I don't feel strongly enough about either way to vote so I'll let Kipfizh make the decision. Sorry mate I'm not really helpful on this one About the Bandits' season now. Like you pointed out Welling winning the FA Cup is just astonishing and has to be mentioned even before the Bandits 3rd League Cup. I have to admit I'm actually really happy about this season, it takes time for a team to gel and if it wasn't for this terrible 8 loses in a row the season would be perfect. Europe coming next year surely means some quality signings on their way and since we were a contender for 30 games we can clearly expect to be around the top spot after 38 games next season. Hopefully we draw Welling in the UEFA Cup Oh and Kipfizh, you wouldn't be coming to NYC by any chance? If you are and have some spare time I'd be more than happy to buy you a drink for all the joy you've provided me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Walds Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Kip... how would you feel if I put all your updates into a blog? bendysbandits.com or something Would be easier to look back on that on the forums Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 super update kip, I vote Yes for Full detail. \0/ for Forest reaching the Prem, do they have any star players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyedOutMan Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 kip yes for full detail, but not in this game. you want to keep it comparable. try full detail in a seperate experiment if theres enough demand/you have enough time, but keep this game the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyNoodleBhoy Posted March 7, 2008 Share Posted March 7, 2008 Once the Bandits are bored of winning the CL then I think full-detail would be justified, perhaps it's something better left to FM09 but I wouldn't be dead against either way. Looking forward to hearing about the Scottish World Cup winners and Celtic's fate. KUTGreatW! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
emgergo Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Welling Wow. Re: detail level: I'm with Von Blade, I think you should stick with the original circumstanses and not change to full detail level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikechilli Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 TBH I think you should just run the game as it is. You have run it for this long without it on so turning on full detail would actually change the conditions of the experiment. It would be like conducting an experiment to find out how quickly you can boil a glass of water by adding different things to the water, then deciding half way through to exchange the bunsen burner for a blow torch. ----------------------- Back to the story and I have to say NICELY done to Welling. To be playing non-league football and making it into Europe is an astonishing accomplishment. And as for the Bandits... after part one I was getting very excited about the Bandits getting into a title scrap... What happened Kip? was it the suspensions and the injuries that hit us? or did we just play like a sack of potatoes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
West Country Cop Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I have to agree with the above, by changing the detail you are changing you experiment. I would just mark it down as something to do for 09 personally. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonavich Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 great update as usual kip. regarding the detail level, it could bring another element to the experiment, to compare the characteristics on how matches and players unfold, depending on how much detail their is. it could even benfit the bandits to a earlier than expected league win. however i am in two minds as the experiment is entertaining enough just seeing the close battles that go on day in and day out right upto the last days. ultimatley its up to you, as im sure we will all still patiently wait and read the updates, but i dont see the harm in adding another angle to this experiment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sidnv Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I think this experiment should remain in low detail and the next one ( if you are planning one) can be in full. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
markymarky Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 ^ I agree with this. At this stage I think you should just let the experiment run its course as it is, if it's change now then we can't really read anything into the results. I suppose that it'll have run its course when the Bandits win the league / Champions League / be the irrefutable best team in the world / win every game 10-0. How many caps did Lupo pile up in his days? How about Maia (is he still around? I don't imagine he had much of desire to move to coaching. Although who knows, will we see Maia, the 200CA coach who gets the Bandits relegated?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suma Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 This may seem a weird question.... but how big is your save file and I am guessing its not compressed or is it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefoesRightBoot Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Tricky question Kip, I would say a) in terms of the experiment, yes change it to see what difference it makes... but b) in terms of the story, no it's brilliant as it is so leave it! Overall then, I guess I don't really have a preference... By the way, hating to be picky but your update should say that Welling became the first non-league club to win the FA Cup since Tottenham in 1901! Clearly more of an achievement in the mid 21st century, but don't want to see my beloved Spurs achievement go unrecognised! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonBlade Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 Originally posted by DefoesRightBoot:By the way, hating to be picky but your update should say that Welling became the first non-league club to win the FA Cup since Tottenham in 1901! Oooh Defoe eh. Man we fleeced Pompey on that one. He's worthless. Ahem. In other news, Kip is a Gooner so he is probably happy to see our achievement go un-noticed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Young Jimlad Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I'm not really on board with upping the level of detail, mainly because I'm with those who think that changing the parameters this late in the day will skew the experiment as it is at the minute. No point corrupting how the AI operates when its already demonstrated itself to be much more changeable than I'd have expected in the long term. Set that as one of the new parameters in your 09 experiment by all means but I personally think that there's very little to be gained. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtik-1-one Posted March 8, 2008 Share Posted March 8, 2008 I think Kip should leave the detail level as it is. I think this because this thread has been entertaining me since the middle of last year and the story has unfolded brilliantly since the. I agree that turning on full detail would change the experiment so it becomes more realistic but would it really matter too much. Anyway another great job Kip. KUTGW. Welling are the Spurs of the 21st century. lol. Now we have to wait 60 years until they do the double. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenVW Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Yeah, I'm with sticking to the current detail level and running the next on full, I think it would be pointless changing it now really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty1982dec Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Originally posted by VonBlade:In other news, Kip is a Gooner so he is probably happy to see our achievement go un-noticed i did not know that. i'm gonna have to stop reading this thread now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
waz_nufc_awk Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 kip, leave it as it is, wait till 09 for full detail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AB-forever Posted March 9, 2008 Share Posted March 9, 2008 Wait till 09 for full detail Well done to Welling and I sure hope the Bandits team are blending well together next season KUTGW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
valencia Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 well done Bandits, Welling and Leeds! great update as usual Kip what was the secret of Leeds' emergence? you said they had a well-balanced squad? im all for keeping detail as is for the moment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeccyMatt Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Will there come a time when the Bandits become so rich that there finances are reset? Just a thought... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henryzz Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Originally posted by SpeccyMatt:Will there come a time when the Bandits become so rich that there finances are reset? Just a thought... i thought that at one point too but the bandits are spending so much on transfers(finally!!!!!!!) that they r now lucky if they break even possibly when we r winning everything every year personally i think that should be something on the fix list for 8.03 if there is one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maviarab Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 personally i think that should be something on the fix list for 8.03 if there is one Completly irrelevent really as Kip using FM07 for tis expirement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 I think I remember reading somewhere that if your bank balance hits 2.3 billion GBP then it switches to negative and you get into admin. It had something to do with the number of diggits allowed in a line of code iirc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meitheisman Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Oh and that was for FM07 btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreyedOutMan Posted March 10, 2008 Share Posted March 10, 2008 Kip! I'm on tenterhooks! Please do tell us what happens next! Im catching you up though with my own experiment...Im in 2016 and my team are up from the BSN to League 1 already! Not bad eh?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
halpinj Posted March 11, 2008 Share Posted March 11, 2008 The detail level should be left as it is until 09 when it should be set at full. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Post Monkeh Posted March 12, 2008 Share Posted March 12, 2008 class thread Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by VonBlade:Firstly, before we even get to the Bandits, awesome job by Welling. Historic moment and something I never, ever, thought I'd see happen in FM. Amazing. It was an astonishing achievement, and I will be tracking them in Europe. We definitely need a moments silence for the retirement of Lupo. Quite fitting that he should retire just before the real-life Lupo, Maldini, does the same.Sad to see Danny Gamble go too. Somehow he always feels like the Dario Gradi of the Bandits. Other managers may come and go, he might manage elsewhere, but he'll always be the manager I think of when I think of the Bandits. Lupo is and always will be a legend, and Danny Gamble probably did more for the Bandits than any other manager, even though he was at the club for a far shorter time than, say, Ben Clayton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by The Lambs:Impressed with a non-league team winning such a big trophy, who is their manager, or more to the point is he any good? He is absolutely awesome, with a CA of 170 rising to 175. At 57, he still has a future in the game too. Check out Nicky Deakin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by JRHaggs:One request: For the 'world best XI' list, would it be possible to include L/R sides so that we can get an even clearer picture of the mid-21st century footballing world? Absolutely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by dafuge:<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tom =): this should be a sticky I'm happy to do it if it is wanted. The level of presentation by kipfizh in this thread is second to none, it really is a shining example of how the sorts of threads in this forum should be run. Any stickying/thread title changing/editing that kipfizh wants done, just give me a shout. </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Thank you very much, your kind words are much appreciated On the stickyness front, I've always been a believer that sticky threads should be the ones that everyone should be alerted to, like important updates, FAQs and so on. I'm guessing that although lots of people read this (again, much appreciated!), there are probably heaps more that couldn't care less about the Bandits, and would not understand the need for sticky status. And I imagine most people that would be interested would've found this by now! That said, thanks for the offer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by Luke Hearn:Hey mate...great thread from what i've read....ive only just caught on and havent read the whole thing, but it looks really interesting. Tried to set up a similar one myself. Just had my first season though and for some strange reason my team is significantly better than yours seemed to be at first. First season, no signings or sales, won every game...p42, w42, scored 578 goals, conceded zero, won the FA Cup, FA Trophy and Setanta Shield! any idea why the massive difference?! The main strikers got 363 goals between them in all comps, with a further 5 players getting over fifty, of which oneo got 97! What could I have done so differently?! I think my stadium might have been edited to a bit bigger than yours but other than that...and anyway, no signings were made... spooky! any thoughts anyone? I imagine your matches are being run on full details. As I found from playing the games with myself as manager, to see how easy it would be, 14-0 was an average score, but because I was playing the matches, the detail level was automatically maximised. That isn't the case here, and as such the sheer scale of the Bandit kids' quality did not shine through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by Meitheisman:About the Bandits' season now. Like you pointed out Welling winning the FA Cup is just astonishing and has to be mentioned even before the Bandits 3rd League Cup. I have to admit I'm actually really happy about this season, it takes time for a team to gel and if it wasn't for this terrible 8 loses in a row the season would be perfect. Europe coming next year surely means some quality signings on their way and since we were a contender for 30 games we can clearly expect to be around the top spot after 38 games next season. Hopefully we draw Welling in the UEFA Cup I agree entirely, and really hope that they don't ditch the new manager. Yes, he had a shocking mid season run, but that was the only thing that's gone wrong so far - his transfers are excellent and he's won us another trophy, bringing Europe back. Oh and Kipfizh, you wouldn't be coming to NYC by any chance? If you are and have some spare time I'd be more than happy to buy you a drink for all the joy you've provided me Wrong coast I'm afraid - I'm in San Diego Thanks anyway! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by Scotty Walds:Kip... how would you feel if I put all your updates into a blog? bendysbandits.com or something Would be easier to look back on that on the forums Of course, feel free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by cms186:\0/ for Forest reaching the Prem, do they have any star players? They don't no, and team-wise they ended the season ranked as the ninth best team in the Championship. The manager is also no star, so they may struggle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by Mikechilli:And as for the Bandits... after part one I was getting very excited about the Bandits getting into a title scrap... What happened Kip? was it the suspensions and the injuries that hit us? or did we just play like a sack of potatoes? To be honest, I can only think that it was the adaptability levels of the squad. The collapse happened during January and February mainly, at the point when the manager was signing fantastic players all over the place. Perhaps everyone just got unsettled? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kipfizh Posted March 13, 2008 Author Share Posted March 13, 2008 Originally posted by markymarky:How many caps did Lupo pile up in his days? How about Maia (is he still around? I don't imagine he had much of desire to move to coaching. Although who knows, will we see Maia, the 200CA coach who gets the Bandits relegated?) 124 caps for Lupo in a glittering career, but Maia isn't around anymore, he retired long ago to his luxury home and undeserved fortune.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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