craiigman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Just now, Jean0987654321 said: Yep... Thanks haha, any chance you have a screen shot of the default 52210? I’m at work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 36 minutes ago, craiigman said: Thanks haha, any chance you have a screen shot of the default 52210? I’m at work Not too bad, I guess. Strikerless tactics are OP in this game. Shadow Striker as the 9.5, maybe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jean0987654321 said: Not too bad, I guess. Strikerless tactics are OP in this game. Shadow Striker as the 9.5, maybe? That’s better than I thought, I thought it was 2 CM’s not wingers. Striker less can be OP, but usually with 2/3 in the AM spot. But looks like it can be do-able, maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 @Jambo98 are there any rules when setting up game world like leagues loaded, attribte masking, adding key staff/players to playable teams etc? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 32 minutes ago, craiigman said: @Jambo98 are there any rules when setting up game world like leagues loaded, attribte masking, adding key staff/players to playable teams etc? Nah go with what you want for those settings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 @apriscott - 523 Narrow @Algebras - 4222 DM Narrow @kkfootball - 5221 WB @Cruyffsheirs - 5231 DM Narrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 8 hours ago, Jambo98 said: Eek, so a brazilian box for me. Long time since i tried anything of that ilk! Have a few thoughts in my head, almost certainly once which will fail miserably. Not sure the squad is best suited to it either. Bit lacking in CMs and winger heavy. Will start to look properly in the morning and sketch out some ideas And only now, do i realise i was looking at the wrong formation The box went to someone else, i get the 4222 with 2 DMs and ML / MR. Less exciting! But will see what i can do Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I managed to get my save booted up and a quick over view of the squad. It’s safe to say this squad is not setup for a 52210. I’ll make my starter post later, but this is certainly a challenge! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeepLyingForward Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Hi guys, I've not put much effort into this year's edition of FM and I am shockingly bad at the game. I would love to have an attempt at this experience please?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chevie Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Sounds rather interesting - I'm in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piaz88 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 so if im going to use an 343 does this mean i have to use 3 striker or can it be 1 striker and aml/amr? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirkTLB Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Count me in Jambo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egecann Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Count me in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 53 minutes ago, Piaz88 said: so if im going to use an 343 does this mean i have to use 3 striker or can it be 1 striker and aml/amr? All formations are the defaults in FM. So selecting the 343 shows that you must use a flat back three, a flat midfield four, and three strikers, which is a bit of a stretch at Koln - you have four decent-to-good strikers, but only a couple of mediocre backups. A wise use of your loan-signing, perhaps? But the formation should do well - 3-striker formations are highly effective in this year's ME. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Mixed fortunes in my save. Tactic looks OK in preseason - plays pretty much like a 442 - but I've already lost Sorensen (one of the best defenders) for at least two months with a broken foot. Anyone know when the likes of Mere and Co get back from the beach? I've never managed in Germany so don't understand this business with staggered holidays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piaz88 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 vor 14 Minuten schrieb warlock: All formations are the defaults in FM. So selecting the 343 shows that you must use a flat back three, a flat midfield four, and three strikers, which is a bit of a stretch at Koln - you have four decent-to-good strikers, but only a couple of mediocre backups. A wise use of your loan-signing, perhaps? But the formation should do well - 3-striker formations are highly effective in this year's ME. but i can change roles and instructions can i? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 1 minute ago, Piaz88 said: but i can change roles and instructions can i? Absolutely! That's where your managerial genius shines through . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactics Tom Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Sign me in! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 @DeepLyingForward - 532 Sweeper WB @Chevie - 5131 DM WB @dirkTLB - 352 @Egecann - 42310 DM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piaz88 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 vor 2 Stunden schrieb warlock: Absolutely! That's where your managerial genius shines through . alright thanks. will post results and formation after the first season. had a good start so far, just conceding to much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Squad is actually very versatile, which is really helpful. Struggling with this tiny budget though, need at at least a CB, ideally a central mid, and a good shadow striker. That new Colombian lad looks good, but not in my system. Work to be done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
apriscott Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Spoiler 7 hours ago, Jambo98 said: @apriscott - 523 Narrow @Algebras - 4222 DM Narrow @kkfootball - 5221 WB @Cruyffsheirs - 5231 DM Narrow At least i am being forced out of my comfort zone. I tend to pack the midfield so 3 central forwards and only 2 midfielders should certainly be interesting to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc577 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 21 hours ago, Jambo98 said: @jc577- 5122 DM Narrow Never played with 3 at the back before, yet alone 5. Excited to try it out, thinking the full-backs need to be aggressive as they're the only source of width. Definitely need a back up CB, someone to fill the 'quarterback role' in DM, and possibly a box-to-box type midfielder as the current CM's are really lacking in pace. Looking forward to this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 5-2-2-1-0 The setup: The manager: The system(s) They are all very similar, to a degree. TI's the same for each, that's my style of play. A few PI's on them to try and make roles similar to those I cannot use. No signings as of yet. Not played first friendly yet, but that's the gist of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aRj00 Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 So the save is all booted up and had a good gander at the squad. Defo needs some more central midfielders for this 4312 formation. Already taken the ruthless aproach and listed all the wingers Heres the 3 original starting variants Changed to a lower tempo play Now changed to direct passing approach an removed lower tempo Changed the DLP to a CMD Aiming to get a couple of hardworking industrial midfielders in to bolster the depth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quintonkemen Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 i would also like to participate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bmwdestroyer Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 I'm in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattric_b Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 @Jambo98 are you going to make a new thread or should we start posting in here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 23, 2018 Author Share Posted January 23, 2018 ALl in here man, will get to allocating out the next lot hopefully tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted January 23, 2018 Share Posted January 23, 2018 Still not sure what to make of my 442 sweeper formation. On the one hand, we cruised through pre-season winning all games except a slip-up away to Albacete. Won the opening cup game, and the first league game. Then we lost the next two league games, before spanking Napoli 3-1 in the opening Europa League match (after Sarri told the media he was glad to be starting with an easy match!) So results have been, to say the least, mixed. But the formation!?! It's a nonsense. I can see where a sweeper might work behind two centre backs, but with FM's default formation, the sweeper sits directly behind a lone CB with the result that they're on top of each other for the whole game. They take up the same positions, close down the same opponents, chase the same balls. From the game against Napoli, here's our average position with the ball: And average position without the ball: It's as if you're playing with ten men and the strength of the 442 - defending in two banks of four - is nullified because your back four becomes, at best, a back three-and-a-half. I can't believe anyone ever chose to play like this, and I'm completely baffled why SI decided to put it in the game. To make matters worse, in Horn we have one of the best young sweeper-keepers in the game - but if you play him in that role he's duplicating a lot of what the sweeper is trying to do. (From what I've read, the SK developed when managers did away with sweepers but needed someone to do a similar job.) On the upside, I'm happy enough with the contribution from the rest of the team. The wingers have played well, although I'd be happy if some of them could play 'opposite foot' and give us something different. Up front, Cordoba and Pizzaro have been great (although, what a weird career Pizzaro has had - check his history!). It's a fun challenge, and I can see a future save where I'd try a sweeper, but definitely behind two CBs not one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 2 hours ago, warlock said: Still not sure what to make of my 442 sweeper formation. On the one hand, we cruised through pre-season winning all games except a slip-up away to Albacete. Won the opening cup game, and the first league game. Then we lost the next two league games, before spanking Napoli 3-1 in the opening Europa League match (after Sarri told the media he was glad to be starting with an easy match!) So results have been, to say the least, mixed. But the formation!?! It's a nonsense. I can see where a sweeper might work behind two centre backs, but with FM's default formation, the sweeper sits directly behind a lone CB with the result that they're on top of each other for the whole game. They take up the same positions, close down the same opponents, chase the same balls. From the game against Napoli, here's our average position with the ball: And average position without the ball: It's as if you're playing with ten men and the strength of the 442 - defending in two banks of four - is nullified because your back four becomes, at best, a back three-and-a-half. I can't believe anyone ever chose to play like this, and I'm completely baffled why SI decided to put it in the game. To make matters worse, in Horn we have one of the best young sweeper-keepers in the game - but if you play him in that role he's duplicating a lot of what the sweeper is trying to do. (From what I've read, the SK developed when managers did away with sweepers but needed someone to do a similar job.) On the upside, I'm happy enough with the contribution from the rest of the team. The wingers have played well, although I'd be happy if some of them could play 'opposite foot' and give us something different. Up front, Cordoba and Pizzaro have been great (although, what a weird career Pizzaro has had - check his history!). It's a fun challenge, and I can see a future save where I'd try a sweeper, but definitely behind two CBs not one. Maybe an inspiration from the old verrou shape which was almost like a 442 sweeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joshhimself Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Sounds fun, I registered an account in order to join! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 This is the shape I settled with. Loosely based on the catenaccio shape. So far, 1 game, 1 win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean0987654321 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 UPSET CITY :o Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YasoKuul Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Please sign me in! I never participated before, but it sounds interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reerdo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Im up for a shot at this alongside my Journeyman game I will fail miserably but that is half the fun Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 @quintonkemen - 442 Diamond Narrow @Bmwdestroyer -4123 DM Narrow @joshhimself - 4141 DM Asymetric AMR @YasoKuul -5122 Sweeper DM WB @reerdo - 4141 DM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
reerdo Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Hmmmmm simple but interesting as I have never used it in any of the recent FM's. Now how to make sure my striker doesn't become isolated . . . . . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Go on then, stick me in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 @Deisler26 - 4321 DM Narrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 12 hours ago, warlock said: Still not sure what to make of my 442 sweeper formation. On the one hand, we cruised through pre-season winning all games except a slip-up away to Albacete. Won the opening cup game, and the first league game. Then we lost the next two league games, before spanking Napoli 3-1 in the opening Europa League match (after Sarri told the media he was glad to be starting with an easy match!) So results have been, to say the least, mixed. But the formation!?! It's a nonsense. I can see where a sweeper might work behind two centre backs, but with FM's default formation, the sweeper sits directly behind a lone CB with the result that they're on top of each other for the whole game. They take up the same positions, close down the same opponents, chase the same balls. From the game against Napoli, here's our average position with the ball: And average position without the ball: It's as if you're playing with ten men and the strength of the 442 - defending in two banks of four - is nullified because your back four becomes, at best, a back three-and-a-half. I can't believe anyone ever chose to play like this, and I'm completely baffled why SI decided to put it in the game. To make matters worse, in Horn we have one of the best young sweeper-keepers in the game - but if you play him in that role he's duplicating a lot of what the sweeper is trying to do. (From what I've read, the SK developed when managers did away with sweepers but needed someone to do a similar job.) On the upside, I'm happy enough with the contribution from the rest of the team. The wingers have played well, although I'd be happy if some of them could play 'opposite foot' and give us something different. Up front, Cordoba and Pizzaro have been great (although, what a weird career Pizzaro has had - check his history!). It's a fun challenge, and I can see a future save where I'd try a sweeper, but definitely behind two CBs not one. Yeah that is utter nonsense really isnt it One of the potential side effects of this thread, were SI to have any interest, could be to provide actual meaningful feedback on the default formations in the game. Somewhat understandably (since really, no one uses them....), they have been neglected and not touched for several years (As these threads would prove!). This would be one example of where they should really remove this from the game, or at least consider whether it is implemented properly - Ideally the sweeper should be "offset" with the other DC, more akin to a more extreme version of Stopper / Cover partnership. Meantime, there are not that many formations left, but given that this one is, for me, fundementally broken and cant be worked around with roles, I would be happy to draw you another if you like? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
warlock Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 21 minutes ago, Jambo98 said: I would be happy to draw you another if you like? Thanks but, call me a masochist, I'm happy to persevere and see where it takes us. I have a couple of ideas to try, including setting the CB to man-mark any lone striker, leaving the sweeper in a free role. Might also try the CB in an aggressive BPD-stopper role and see what happens. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deisler26 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 51 minutes ago, Jambo98 said: @Deisler26 - 4321 DM Narrow Sweet Lord. Koln have all the wingers, but no AMC's (that aren't injured)... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynter Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Why not, add me to the list. Hopefully I'll be able to get it done haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GylfiAsCharged Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Sounds interesting, keen to get involved in this if possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo98 Posted January 24, 2018 Author Share Posted January 24, 2018 @wynter - 424 wide @GylfiAsCharged -41311 DM Narrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wynter Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 Ooh, time to bring back Il Grande Torino Can definitely work with that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craiigman Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 19 hours ago, craiigman said: 5-2-2-1-0 The setup: The manager: The system(s) They are all very similar, to a degree. TI's the same for each, that's my style of play. A few PI's on them to try and make roles similar to those I cannot use. No signings as of yet. Not played first friendly yet, but that's the gist of it. First friendly vs Shakhtar and this has been thrown out right away. I know they a decent side, but based on that I don’t see me keeping my job till the end of the season. This formation is horrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
YasoKuul Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 vor 5 Stunden schrieb Jambo98: @YasoKuul -5122 Sweeper DM WB Hell yeah, I never used a formation with a sweeper before. This will be an interesting challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GylfiAsCharged Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, Jambo98 said: @GylfiAsCharged -41311 DM Narrow Interesting, never used this formation before so looking forward to trying it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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