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I think the trick if you actually want to win stuff is probably quick 30 year olds with good fitness and professional attitudes who will decline slowly rather than players at the very end of their career. Will generally get more out of good championship 30 year olds than an ex star whose 8 pace is about to decline to 6, especially if you've already got Rooney to fill your first team's unfit genius quota. Plus they'll be around for more than one season.
It's a really good idea for a challenge though, especially given [i) FM's infamous reliance on physicals and fast declines and [ii] work SI have been done to vary the speed of player declines in this incarnation. Tempted to try it myself.
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23 hours ago, Flußkrebs said:
None of the 'best' tactics on these sites are 3 or 5 at the back
I can hear your objections already- you absolutely can use 3 or 5 at the back with success, you just have to tailor it, those tactics don''t have 3 or 5atb because they can't 'cheese' their way to wins with those formations etc. etc. I get that. It just got me thinking about the relationship with these kinds of tactics and my own tactic building. Is there a general issue with non 4 at the back systems? Maybe as simple as preventing another man attacking? Or deeper in the FM20 match engine?
FWIW I think it's mostly the preventing another man attacking. Most of the tactic testing lot are very geared towards winning leagues, and most teams people want to test with have more good midfielders than defenders; wingbacks are also rare in some leagues.
(And also the fact the 'exploit' level performance isn't as geared towards a particular shape as some iterations where the opposition couldn't defend properly against. Lots of shapes succeed: it's just the back four is much more standard)
On the other hand I think back three with wingbacks defending of the penalty area is so much better than a regular back four it's almost exploit-level defensively.
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6 minutes ago, npjones88 said:
That's interesting, thanks for responding. You're referring to the regen freak Striker in 2030 with amazing attributes and somehow 16 tackling - that's likely taking up far less than even a couple of points finishing would, right?
There was a great thread on this a few years back that looked to calculate all the attribute weighting spread - is this stuff open knowledge now or would someone have to go through that again.
I ask because I have seen a winger's Work Rate jump up 4 through repeated fining for poor performances and, whilst he trains well and has room to develop, I'm seeing his other attributes shifting minimally. I was wondering if my forcing up his WR through being an authoritarian A-Hole is being counterbalanced by slowing or reversing his development elsewhere, eating up his remaining PA points so he can't put any more into Composure for example.
Forcing up his work rate could shift other attributes down if he's not got room for improvement, but a lot of the time it's shifting them down by an imperceptible 0.1 attribute point, and I'd nearly always prefer to have a full extra point of Work Rate,
The attribute weighting spread will have changed since last time someone did the thread, though the general points will likely still be the same [Pace/Acceleration, Decisions and Weaker Foot massively highly weighted for all outfield players, Work Rate, Teamwork and Set Pieces low for all of them, a lot of common sense like Tackling/Marking mattering more for defenders and Finishing for forwards, and some quirks like Influence being much more important for central defenders and extra positions sometimes massively shifting CA]. It's also weighted between positions so as Santy says not dead straightforward to calculate for a typical player who's Natural in two positions and Accomplished in a third.
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It's not very heavily weighted in any position, relative to how important most people think it is [and arguably to how important it is in the ME]
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On 17/05/2020 at 19:14, npjones88 said:
If a player scores 6.30 or less in a match, break out the harsh fines (1/2 week or more) and you may get a determination boost of +1 if the player apologises.
I've had a few youngsters improve 3 or 4 in a season using this method. I'm sure to always sub them the moment they drop to a 6.30 so they don't get the chance to crawl it up to 6.40 or 6.50. At least by fining them you may benefit from their poor game. Can also work with Work Rate - but the player must apologise to you after the fine and you will see a boost.
This. Almost felt like a cheat doing this, especially with my terrible-mentality Peruvians on FM19. Even an official warning worked, and even when players said they felt it was harsh and generally had bad attitudes they never got upset over the warning itself. Unlike when I praised them too often or for the wrong thing
On 19/05/2020 at 15:45, Xavier Lukhas said:I don't care for Balanced personalities for two reasons: real players cannot have a worse personality than Balanced. It's actually written so in game, so you can have players with very poor attribute like Balotelli's 5 Determination who will appear as "Balanced" (don't worry, he also has other terrible hidden attributes). The second reason and linked to the first one: Balanced can hide very, very poor hidden attributes; it just so happen that the balance of attributes isn't so terrible as to have a player labelled with a worse personality. Likewise, an Unambitious player who seemingly doesn't want to further himself can have very high Professionalism, and therefore respond very well to hard training. He won't seek it, but if you give it to him, he'll like it. Just another FMism to take in account.
All this is correct, but at the same time it's also true that a 'Balanced' player can have a pretty good personality - e.g. 14 for all attributes except Controversy, and a player with a good sounding personality like Fairly Professional can have poor to terrible attributes in most areas other than professionalism [again, especially real players]. It's one of the quirks of having lots of hidden [and often random] personality attributes being scared of giving more descriptive personality labels for real players for legal reasons
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Work Rate takes up ability points, but not as many as you might think.
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IIRC Bravery does take up some. The others don't, and nor do numerous hidden attributes like Consistency, Dirtiness, Versatility and personality attributes. Most outfield attributes have 0 CA weight for goalkeepers and vice versa.
Worth pointing out these are all very useful attributes as well....
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And football's a pretty damn non-linear game. Pretty hard to imagine Palace scoring twice against both Manchester clubs if you asked them to repeat the same feat using the same everyone behind the ball tactics again. At the same time, hard to imagine PSG, Barcelona or even Ajax throwing away three goal leads in the Champions League if they got to save and reload.
Very different things can happen with very similar sides. Both the Premier League teams that have won games by nine goals lost the away game...
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People consider the match engine to be at fault when they repeat the game with the same tactics and still lose, and they consider the match engine to be at fault when they repeat the game with the same tactics and win. And also at fault when they change the tactics and don't win.
A strange game. The only way to win is not to replay....
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Longstaff is hard working and likes to get forward where he's got enough finishing ability and vision to be useful, not sure why you'd instruct him to sit back and defend when you've got Rice behind him and only Macias and occasionally the far side winger is making runs into the penalty area. You have to take advantage of your other players strengths and weaknesses too: you've got Rice and two good centre backs to protect against the counter attack and Lo Celso will track back too, you don't need another player sitting back as well.
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13 hours ago, Stuniverse said:
My question for you all is this:
If I approach my boss for a new contract, is the project to transition to a younger Celtic squad, made up of British/Irish players (first), then Scottish HGN / HGC players (longer-term), something you can get behind and support?
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I think that ultimately you have to play the game the way you feel would be most enjoyable.
But there's basically two ways of making play Celtic remotely challenging: one is self imposed restrictions and the other is to try to win European silverware. Making an all British team could easily keep you occupied, but I doubt you'll find it difficult to dominate domestically even if you end up weakening your team. I mean, Praet's a terrific player but all your Scottish backups and fringe players are good players for the division.
On the European side, trying to win European silverware with a Scottish side whilst making realistic signings and taking things slowly is a big challenge by itself without forcing yourself to sell your best players and not sign the youngster your scouts rave about because he doesn't have a British passport. Celtic did famously once win European silverware with an all Scottish team, but you've probably got to choose between being all Scottish or competitive in Europe these days
If you wanted a novel challenge that made use of your six goalkeepers, try starting at least three of them in every domestic game
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This isn't perfect in FM20, but is something which has been improved a lot
Another particular problen in FM19 was that hardly any fullbacks could dribble and cross
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I'd consider using a libero [if you're Milan, one of your defenders is probably good enough on the ball] to sweep up in front of the defence and support the DLP a bit, but overall the defensive setup should work pretty well. You might want a less aggressive role than the Mezzala against sides who are good in midfield too.
I've played pretty similar setups very effectively though.
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5 minutes ago, dolph11 said:
Mid-season or end of season is heard of
But the new owners didn't take over in mid-season. Not sure why the timing is relevant here - they fired a no-name manager despite the no-name manager doing very well because they wanted to install someone else with a much higher reputation to spend their funds. From a gameplay perspective it sucks, but it'd also suck being sacked in December or June without doing anything wrong..
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On 24/04/2020 at 10:10, dolph11 said:
People are trying to legitimise this sacking? Unbelievable. It's a game. His reputation at this point shouldn't be a factor. Of course, we want realism but only to a degree. If you start with a club and want to build a career with them getting the sack like that totally negates the point of playing the game.
From a gameplay point of view it's utterly terrible. From a realism perspective, new owners and weird owners replacing managers at the top of the league happens surprisingly often, as does their successor finishing second...
The bigger issue is that the reputation doesn't update fast enough. A caretaker manager who'd been top of the Championship for most of a season would get job interviews in the National League, even if they didn't have any other achievements to their name.
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1 hour ago, iamnobody said:
Your board seems really aggressive if they are expecting a promotion every year. I can't imaging that it's realistic.
yeah, not sure what's buggier, the expectations or the signings
expecting continuous promotions would be weird if it was someone like Billericay, never mind an 'always amateur' team with no money.
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16 hours ago, smp20 said:
When your centre back pulls this off in the 91st minute. Ivanildo you fecking BEAUTY!!!!!
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So just the defence to sort out now. Considering your overloaded midfield, McTominay would be a good player there, and Willock an option at right back
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I've seen a few more low finishing newgen strikers than usual, but then I think there were too few high level strikers that weren't perfectly rounded finishing machines in previous versions.
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True, he's got potential but he's a long way from good enough on my save. Signed Jorge Herrando [also a long way from good enough] who seems to be the only other promising Basque centre half.
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On 30/03/2020 at 13:27, Ricotero_uy said:
I always liked to do a 3 CDs tactic to take advantage of Iñigo, Yeray and Nuñez, the problem is that without the wingers lot of players for the youth academy became useless, and I thing that no matter which Head of Youth Development you use, it always bring good AMR and AML at the intake. So, I always go to the 4-2-3-1.
It's a very strong tactic in FM with a bit more [counter] pressing and higher engagement, and you've got the wingbacks for it. I've experimented with 5-4-1 with both attacking wingbacks and wingers too which brings Ibai Gomez and Cordoba into the picture
Trouble is lacking the depth in defence to play this way across a full season especially if you end up in Europe. Apart from the ageing Mikel San Jose there's no decent backup and not many youngsters either, though I reckon Peru Nolaskoain could mature into a class Libero when coming back from loan. There's only Ramalho available on the transfer market that's close to good enough unless the Sociedad players want to leave, and Vesga's the only obvious player to retrain [and doesn't seem to learn the position very quickly]
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On 23/03/2020 at 15:28, Rikulec said:
I rushed the update above a little bit, forgetting about the youth intake that was going to happen in March (sometimes it's March, sometimes it's April). So...
...holy ****ing ****. Now I really wish I hadn't bought Kokot, we can't have two amazing young goalkeepers playing simultaneously!
Zielinski looks like he'll be going to a big league for a big fee pretty soon tbf so I wouldn't sell Kokot yet...
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Think you'll struggle to compete financially when signing the elite English talents these days, especially since the likes of Sampdoria aren't what they were. Getting Sterling or Kane isn't going to be easy, and even Maddison or Grealish might be out of your reach.
Doing what German sides are doing IRL and signing up and coming English talents might be more rewarding anyway. Jude Bellingham cited above might be an interesting place to start
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Think this would be surprisingly un-fun to play tbh - an odd mix of not actually that close to real life and too easy.
European Champions Barrow United get yet another useless youth intake, but on the plus side their transfer market genius manager gets to pick up a lad called Jamie Vardy from non-league Stockbridge Park Steels after again failing to tempt Deportivo La Coruna's star winger Cristiano Ronaldo to join.
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Is speed a necessity for inside forwards
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I've played Grealish there for England a fair few times, and whilst he doesn't shred opponents like Sterling/Sancho/Rashford he's certainly effective, as is Maddison in that role who also isn't quick. Assume you've got Chilwell to keep the fullback busy too. A lot depends on your style of play and how opponents react to you too. If you're creating chances through counter attacking then the lack of speed is a let down. If you're breaking down defences with plenty of possession, the quality of finishing, crossing, long shots and passing/vision all comes into play and a well rounded dribbler like Grealish is actually better than a pace merchant in a packed penalty area
I guess the bigger question might be whether having Ziyech, Maddison and Grealish might be a bit too much of a muchness as attacking options go
Wouldn't say Barnes was a massively inferior player to Grealish - despite being a point or two lower in many attributes he does have an extra yard of place and a significantly better weaker foot. Then again, Grealish has 43 caps and 8 goals for me, and Barnes no goals from 5 .