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Well... it makes a change from people complaining about Youth Rating, I guess....
I assume the actual reason is because setting Turkey as 'developing' would deter the sort of players that actually move to the Super Lig from moving there in game, and setting the richer Czechia/Slovenia as "developed" would make their top tier hoover up players from neighbouring nations. (Less obvious how Poland breaks that pattern, but it's quite international for what is rated as a really poor league offering low wages in game)
The ratings aren't supposed to be seen and are used in conjunction with a lot of other figures to do with finances, city attractiveness, reputation, national transfer preferences etc (and whilst that message isn't great, a second tier Turk quite possibly would turn down a move because nothing he's heard about Czechia makes him want to live there. Footballers are more interested in 'infrastructure' like foreign language schools, shiny new villas and stadia than good roads and industry and more Czechs move to Turkey to play football than vice versa)
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1 hour ago, flauta kicma said:
I won four titles in a row, so it won't really be up to my management.
Nah mate, you only won those because it was scripted...
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Sub 6.7 ratings for strikers when they don't score or assist is completely normal and a tendency to play killer balls (I.e lose the ball more) is only going to increase that
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Ironically, it's because the press isn't as aggressive and effective as it can be.
The equivalent graphs that show the trigger press "much more often" has barely any impact on "distance covered"...
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1 minute ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
I wonder how much its low popularity is down to it being such a half-arsed game mode. Chicken and egg scenario.
Although that said, in a game like this, it would be difficult to make international management something that would amaze anyone. There's not a lot to do day-to-day, there's no transfer market and a very low amount of fixtures each year. The only real excitement would be at a major tournament. I know international managers in real life spend their off time going to games up and down the country, scouting potential new caps, etc, but this isn't terribly interesting in FM. So, other than to jazz it up a bit, and add in training and interactions, what more can they really do with it?
I think the answer to the the chicken or egg situation is probably in your second paragraph.
I'd prefer it if international management had more features and less incoherent national vision, I'd settle for youth international management having fewer bugs, but at the end of the day lots of the stuff people play FM for is necessarily absent, and when I do try international management it's because I don't care about that stuff or would rather avoid micromanagement altogether. You actually can watch games every week if you want, but I bet not many people do...
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International management is low priority because not many people do it as much more than an afterthought
I actually like the "national vision" idea and the current training setup would translate quite well to international management even if it was a simple cohesion Vs fitness tradeoff, but at the end of the day it's low priority because not many people play it as their main game and those who do are mostly doing it to avoid stuff like dynamics etc...
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2 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
What most people tend to forget with this is, yes, it might be 'trivially easy' to make the game look 'cosmetically better', but this big upscale in cosmetics still has to deal with the millions of calculations per second that the match engine is based on. It's not FIFA with it's limited palette of build up play and movement (honestly the ME is night and day between the two). To be able to marry FM's ME with FIFA's graphics might be the dream, but that's never happening for a long, long time.
In short, it's nowhere near 'trivially easy' to make it look so much better cosmetically, even with the right resources.
The point wasn't that perfection or photorealism is easy, the point was that it's not difficult to find a broad agreement that basic stuff like higher poly models and more naturalistic colours, effects like fog make a better looking game in the current one. Whereas nobody actually agrees what "better tactical control" or a "more realistic transfer market" actually means, and this stuff has had a lot more attention from version to version and patch to patch than stuff like the stadium art direction, no, it's not like they haven't been trying. I do agree that higher poly models mean more scope for transitions between animations and collisions looking awkward, but the bar isn't high because it's got to beat FM24 not FIFA (and I'm sure they'll control available camera angles and zooms carefully.)
(FWIW there are - according to SI - four decision making calculations per player per second, plus obviously real-time ball physics and movement executed according to those decisions. tbh the number of decisions per second not being particularly large probably makes it harder to align animations with real time ball physics and collisions)
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4 hours ago, endlessxcircle said:
You raise a good point about the angry comments seen about the match graphic quality, but this kinda highlights my exact point of why 3D is, to a degree, a hinderance. We're never going to get a perfect 3D engine...
This argument works better in reverse. Getting a 3D engine which is cosmetically better than the current one is trivially easy with the right resources, and getting better motion captured animations is realistically achievable with today's technology.
On the other hand ensuring "the games foundations were achieved flawlessly or near enough" is an impossible goal even with infinite development resource and processing power, because nobody agrees what perfect (or even "a bit better" is). If we look at the most regular requests for improvements on the forums, people want:
The transfer market to involve AI clubs building their squads smartly without loads of superfluous players and pointless signings, but also for them to compete aggressively for players and unwanted players to find buyers as soon as offered out at a bargain price. Also for it not to be too easy to mop up all the wonderkids from poorer leagues but their clubs shouldn't make unrealistically high fee demands and those players shouldn't want to stay at smaller clubs on lower wages or demand regular starts before they're good enough to deserve them.
Tactics should be easier to learn but also much more flexible but also more difficult not to exploit that flexibility to destroy the AI, and clubs should exactly hit their real world levels playing football that's recognisably their style but also adapt to your tactical changes to be harder to beat and copy the most successful tactics and use their players' individual characteristics more effectively, and the effectiveness of stuff like gegenpressing should be much more dependent on attributes but also the game shouldn't overrate physical attributes or work rate. Overall it should play more like real world football and be harder but also play more like the particularly easy and unrealistic FM17...
So the choice of what to expend extra resources on improving is between "make a 3D engine using the same tech everyone else does" or "make it squarer but also more circular".
Then you've got to take into account "Better 3D" sells extra copies to pay back it's extra development costs in numbers which "Even GrouchyForumUser agrees this incarnation of the transfer market plays better" wouldn't do...
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I guess the question you'd have to ask yourself is, would you have reloaded if you won the first time and then didn't win after the crash?
The AI wont be upset either way
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13 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
If someone had said 'Inverted Defence Triangle' in the past, I'd have thought they were talking about maths.
And by the past, I mean 6 hours ago.
Inverted Defence Triangle will probably be a player role in FM25 tbf
looking forward to playing a Zombie in between my Ramdeuters as well
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1 hour ago, Prej said:
That's what I told my board last time they were about to sack me.
Didn't help.
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yeah, @Jimbokav1971 has the answer. Although it's not ideal, because as I understand it, they're not interested list excludes them from searches rather than just stopping scouts wasting time fully scouting a player you already know enough about and arent prioritising
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6 hours ago, Rashidi said:
Why? Thanks but no thanks. If I need handholding and instructions for every feature of this game, it loses any challenge. Personally I derive more joy through discovery.
I'm not sure "set up a game balanced for long term gameplay" falls into the 'joy of discovery' thing
A more generally I think SI's approach to keeping what a lot of stuff actually means obscure has the opposite effect: people want to know what a feature does and end up finding out from a third party site that tells them not to worry about it because they can download this tactic that breaks the match engine instead...
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Just now, SimonHoddle said:
Appreciate the explanation. If not the dozens of times before comment 🫶🏻. I dont really have the time to read through 10 years of forum history! Thank you for shedding some light. It’s a healthy curiosity on my part
Fair enough
I'd be the first person to agree SI should put some of this stuff in a manual. I just see a lot of people very convinced that SI is fixing results (usually against them!) by forcing one side to score to match their win probability rather than actually simulating the whole match, and some of them really don't like being told otherwise
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4 hours ago, SimonHoddle said:
So…is the ME calculating more attribute values for one team versus another, then saying there should be a 10% greater chance of victory for the 11 man team, then saying give them a 10% greater chance of scoring in any situation?
No. The tactical changes logic is calculating that the team with a man down will go a bit more defensive and (if not losing by a small margin) waste lots of time, and the team with an extra man will go more attacking.
Then the ME plays it out in exactly the same way as before. Which has been explained dozens of times as individually making decisions for each player based on attributes and tactics several times a second whilst updating their positions on the pitch or touches of the ball accordingly.
A consequence of this is that an attacking team against a defensive team which is lacking an out ball to the forward will create a lot more final third pressure situations, many of which will be set pieces.
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10 minutes ago, trviggo said:
I imagine part of the problem is that if these players were Brazilian regens they would be 4-5 stars regularly. Coaching reports always seem to underrate youth intakes so you kinda have to sign em all and wait a season to get an equal assessment of them. I don't quite get why either. It's not like the 5 star wonderkids you sign at 16 are guaranteed to become good. Most of them turn out to be 3-4 stars. Why are your own academy graduates measured differently?
If simply the odd 3 and 4 star player were estimated at 5 stars on intake day, so many of these complaints would go away.
The odd three and four star player is estimated at 5 stars on intake day though (I think if anything the intake estimates in FM24 have more margin for error than other recent FMs). More if your club's first XI isn't unusually good for your level (it's a bold youth team coach that's predicting they've got someone as good as Haaland in their ranks).
The Brazilian newgens you scout generally are better than your average intake newgen though. Partly because the country of Brazil produces a lot of elite players, certainly more than an individual club, partly because your scouts don't waste time scouting continents for 1* potential whereas your local scouts fill your academy with them, partly because SI doesn't waste database space generating dozens of rubbish Brazilians for every half decent one unless you load their leagues, and partly because by the time you normally scout and sign the Brazilians they're usually 18 or thereabouts and showing some signs of growth
But that goes for real life too: far more Premier League clubs would have known about Vinicius Junior than had an equally talented kid in their own ranks. And scouts should be more likely to overestimate players they've only seen impress in a few games than coaches who have watched how the players develop since a young age.
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On 27/11/2023 at 14:10, Harper said:
Isn't 2.1 billion in the range of the maximum value for a signed integer?
But realistically, if a club was accruing several hundred million and not re-investing it into player/staff wages, academy, community; you can bet owners/shareholders are taking profits. I thought the game handled this by “investing” a large amount to bring the number down. But maybe that was just the overall balance.
Yup. People familiar with other computer games will know that it's not unique to FM, and using a different datastructure isn't really necessary to prevent rare edge cases
The game already sucks dividends and tax out of profitable clubs but only once a year at less than 100% of annual profit (which would be very annoying to people playing normally) so if you play for long enough and target profit in the transfer market aggressively enough you'd get to £2bn in the bank in the end. Most people don't play until 2062 or do buy the best players their budget can buy though.
Simplest solution is probably to have the board "pay dividends" at any time the balance crosses, say £1.5 billion to reset the value down to £1.3bn, but I bet the most of the few people that play for long enough and aggressively enough in the transfer market to hit the magic flip balance to minus numbers threshold above £2bn will also be annoyed by that solution...
@Heywood JaBlowme I think you can get your balance to flip back to positive numbers by managing to get to the club to lose some more money. Then when you've got a transfer and wage budget again maybe be a bit more generous with wages
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Can't see why Work Rate, one of the most obvious things to spot IRL should be hidden.
Human players overrate those attributes almost as much as the AI underrates them...
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You've only played nine matches and variance is a thing, especially when it comes to stuff like conceding from long shots. Just for a change it's probably not your tactics
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I won a load of stuff without buying players once.
I DEMAND EVIDENCE BUYING PLAYERS DOES ANYTHING!
ACTUALLY DON'T PROVIDE ME WITH EVIDENCE OR I WILL ACCUSE YOU OF TAKING THE SIDE OF THE BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION AGAINST THE CONSUMER
For people that actually know that anecdotes about winning stuff are just anecdotes, not evidence to the contrary:
Praising training usually increases morale by one notch, how much they like you by a few percentage points and has a tiny impact on this week's training rating. You can see all this stuff though you need to peak at an editor to see the second.
The fairly cynical people testing the ME to breaking point in third party websites like FM Arena agree that fixing morale at a higher level across a team has is worth a few extra points per season. (Though of course, other ways to improve morale exist. like winning). So the effect of periodically morale boosting players whose morale isn't perfect isn't zero.
Its entirely possible to do fine without players liking you, but players liking you keep the board happier and they're less likely to respond negatively to your actions, and more likely to stay or follow you to other clubs. And actually, there are surprisingly few ways of getting players to like you.
The training effect is hard to see because age and random number generators have a huge impact on attribute changes (as does fitness and... morale) but it is supposed to be there. Whether it matters if an attribute is 14 or 15 probably depends a lot on your style of play and the competitiveness of the league though.
It is entirely possible to win without doing this stuff at all, and far from guaranteed that doing it relentlessly will save your season.
But Its also possible to win stuff without ever picking the team, and I'm not sure anybody's ever demanded evidence that team selection has any effect
I think @phnompenhandy's suggestion of an easier right click option might be worth a feature request.
You can already one click praise/criticise lots of players in the individual training module though.
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Its a bit on the harsh side, but it's mid table form and we don't know who he's lost to, what the scorelines are and whether he's fallen out with players. Also, he's presumably had some European results to...
(If it's the second season and he doesn't have European football, I'm surprised he lasted that long)
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14 hours ago, Dagenham_Dave said:
Gotta love it when someone tries to cheat the game and it doesn't work
Could have saved himself a moan by editing the potential of his players
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On 21/11/2023 at 10:29, herne79 said:
I'm afraid there's your problem. Managers don't leave friendlies up to their assistants. If we do in game and our assistant makes a hash of things then we need to deal with the fallout. I agree the issue shouldn't hang around for as long as it has but you can't just point the finger of blame at the game here.
It's not a massive problem if results have been fine
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I don't use my AM for matches or media but I still think a mechanic where the players get angry at you for something the other guy did shouldn't be that way
The negative consequences of the AM doing it should be that they're suboptimal motivators who don't make good tactical tweaks or sensible substitutions, not that they fall out with everyone on your behalf
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8 hours ago, Rashidi said:
A famous manager once said there will always be a third of your squad who will always be unhappy regardless of your performances.
Tbh that's where FM is pretty ludicrous in both directions. Dead easy to keep most of your squad on Perfect morale by being on course to hit your season target (which might be being relegated) and dishing out occasional praise, and rarely any hint of nerves or personal problems or desire to be more than a squad player, but then you praise their passing instead of their finishing or accidentally promise to play youth players and then buy better players like they originally asked for instead and they'll sulk about their "treatment" like you gave them a massive dressing down and threw their new contract in the bin
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Generating More Greyed Out Players
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The greyed out players are just to fill in spaces in your squad. so when you've signed a few and filled up your squad, you won't get any more. (You might be able to get more by demoting the signed ones to reserve/youth teams, but demoting players tends to upset them...)