ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Everyone (bar Sid) was willing to wait and see how it goes, so what are you on about?At this point in time....everyone other than Sid was happy to wait and see how it goes but some were worried about where our style would take us but were being shut down by others who felt that no criticism was necessary because we had somehow managed to fluke a win. Go to the thread post the Watford game and it was pretty much a case of do not complain as we got the 3 points. It was not "Hey be patient" as you are suggesting because at that point no one was calling for the sack, the worry was the style of football. Commentary is not 2 extremes as you try to paint it Dion, it is not the sack now brigade versus the wait and see. That's precisely the point, what is the point in criticising something everyone knows isn't perfect and more time is required to fully evaluate something? Sure you can take a guess, but that still doesn't change anything. At that point in time those results were acceptable on the basis that we were doing enough to give ourselves time to improve. Nobody was claiming it was fantastic football or that it would be sustainable into the future. It's silly gloating you took umbrage with towards the end of Moyes' reign when the people who wrote him off in September came back to rub it in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Can see one of those scarves being thrown onto the pitch as LvG is walking off should we fail to win today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 It's silly gloating you took umbrage with towards the end of Moyes' reign when the people who wrote him off in September came back to rub it in. That is where the problem lies, it is not a case of one-upmanship mate as much as you jump on every word hoping it is. I supported the manager because I felt we were expecting too much and patience would see us through be it rightly or wrongly. We decided not to do that (rightly or wrongly) and sacked him then spent £250m plus the decimation of our squad to end up worse than we were under Moyes. Of course I will complain and criticise, people complain and criticise all the time. Moyes was criticised from day 1 by many posters so why are you upset that some criticised LvG. To say that LvG was work in progress and no one should have mentioned his flaws is hypocritical at best. His flaws were mentioned, we are paying the price and those that said it at the time are not surprised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Everyone said at the time, there wasn't a group of people claiming everything was fine and dandy. "this isn't a reason for major changes, yet" isn't the same as "everything is great, let's keep doing this forever". Some were just far more willing to wait and see how it progressed (or didn't) than others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Only 7 points ahead of Chelsea if we lose... And could be in 10th place... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 De Gea Darmian Smalling Blind Young Schneiderlin Schweinsteiger Mata Herrera Martial Rooney subs: Romero, BJ, Jones, Carrick, Fellaini, Pereira, Memphis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 De Gea, Darmian, Smalling, Blind, Young, Schneiderlin, Schweinsteiger, Mata, Herrera, Martial, Rooney. Happy with the side. Just want a performance now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Good selection that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Put Martial on Ivanovic and just have him run at him, he'll have him off by half time Of course, that won't happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 They'll just double up on him regardless, would be far scarier if we had Shaw down the left to overlap with Martial but not sure Darmian has the ability to hurt them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Looks good. Herrera needs a good game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz & The Devil Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I hope Darmian is on the right. I think Young plays better on the left and Darmian is better on the right. Baffles me when we swap them both to play on the opposite side to what they usually play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Anyone know how Rafael is doing at Lyon? He was another one needlessly discarded by LvG. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Forgot about Rafa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Forgot about Rafa Lol, maybe we can buy him back? So, many teams threw matches away today. We are lucky we haven't dropped down much. We'll probably beat Chelsea and get back to 5th and this whole thing carries on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Everything I've seen says he's been doing horribly. Obviously to be expected with his injury issues in a new league. Stoke and Norwich winning again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Anyone know how Rafael is doing at Lyon? He was another one needlessly discarded by LvG. From what I've read on reddit for the past few weeks, Lyon fans say he's been turd for them and can't seem to displace Jallet in the starting lineup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Bloody hell those fans calling for Mourinho. Have they not seen Chelsea this season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Scholes when asked about LvG, "I think he should be given the chance to turn it around." As a player Scholes was world class, as a pundit he belongs somewhere in the 7th tier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Wait... Wasn't Scholes blasting LvG for his style of play just weeks ago? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The very same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 So the thought of Mourinho is actually this appalling to Scholes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrimaH Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 BREAKING DISCOVERY: One can criticise a manager's decisions and methods while backing him to turn things around. More at seven. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I think I can understand that. Mourinho's been awful this season and I think if he's going to recover any of his reputation he'll need at least the rest of this season out of the game to recharge his batteries and regain some semblance of sanity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redshift Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Everything I've seen says he's been doing horribly. Obviously to be expected with his injury issues in a new league.Stoke and Norwich winning again. From what I've read on reddit for the past few weeks, Lyon fans say he's been turd for them and can't seem to displace Jallet in the starting lineup. Thanks for the update. Shame Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohanzee Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 I wonder if Scholes was ever actually media shy or if it was just Ferguson saving him from himself. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 This is the best 12 minutes from us in at least 10 games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Was that one-touch play just now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Where have these players been for the last 8 or 9 games? Big difference so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Where have these players been for the last 8 or 9 games?Big difference so far. Probably heard LvG is getting the sack and feeling a bit excited? Or Chelsea are just so bad they have this effect on our players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Or Chelsea are just so bad they have this effect on our players? True, it's only Chelsea, would be different if they were playing a good side like Bournemouth or Norwich. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Something is very wrong when they're letting Rooney run through them with ease. Chelsea just not pressing AT ALL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 True, it's only Chelsea, would be different if they were playing a good side like Bournemouth or Norwich. Or better still, Norwich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Rooney's 5 good games a season to come just in time to save LvG's job and push Sid over the edge? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 That's the first time in about 8 years that I've seen Rooney try to smack one in from distance. Wonderful challenge from Young. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Didn't he score from the halfway line last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Didn't he score from the halfway line last season? Yeah but I meant one where he just put his foot through it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Didn't he score from the halfway line last season? Misplaced pass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigcwwe Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Pleased with that first half, the way we should be playing but haven't for some odd reason. As mentioned above, nice to see Rooney leather one at goal from outside the box, doesn't do it anywhere near enough. Great challenge from Young on Azpi too. Plus clearing that cross early in the game that stopped a almost certain goal. Schmidfield getting tons of space and it's allowing us to dictate the game. Chelsea's lack of a recognized frobtman not helping them though. Unlucky not to be ahead going into the second half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Chelsea are garbage. Giving us so much space and time. At one point Rooney dropped off the front to collect the ball and didn't turn only to realise no one had followed him out. It's really poor from Chelsea. Hazard drops to the floor at every opportunity. Ivanovic should file police report though, Martial raped him for his chance. Can still see this being 0-0. Just still don't seem to have the quality needed to beat this pile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Chelsea are garbage. Giving us so much space and time. At one point Rooney dropped off the front to collect the ball and didn't turn only to realise no one had followed him out. It's really poor from Chelsea. Hazard drops to the floor at every opportunity. Ivanovic should file police report though, Martial raped him for his chance. Can still see this being 0-0. Just still don't seem to have the quality needed to beat this pile. More like you kick him at every opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heartwork Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 United need to keep up the momentum they had at the start of the game once the second half kicks off. Hiddink will have told the Chelsea players to try to press more but United's players can't let them start doing that because once Chelsea start closing up the space, United will start slipping back into old habits. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Just still don't seem to have the quality needed to beat this pile. We've hit the inside of the woodwork twice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 We've hit the inside of the woodwork twice Sorry you're right. We'll win 5-0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sid1984 Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Someone please score, just don't let this be a draw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 So close Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Penalty? How was that not given? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Courtois is almost De Gea good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chef Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 The ref did not blow i guess Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 Herrera, Mata, Bastian and Martial are a cut above the rest of the outfield squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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