ajw10 Posted August 31, 2015 Author Share Posted August 31, 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/arsenal/11835672/Arsenal-transfer-news-Hopes-of-deadline-day-signings-fade-fast-as-Arsene-Wenger-draws-a-blank.html SHOCKER Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 No point moaning about inflated prices, massive new TV deals mean transfer fees were always going to increase. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 really hope we don't blow 45/50M on Cavani Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Don't worry, we're not spending a penny. I really think people are downplaying how important this could be. Our top players wont want to stick around at a club that isn't moving forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
daylight Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 What's this thread doing at the top of the page on transfer deadline day? Don't kid yourselves lads! Could be worse though, you could be Man Utd levels of hilariousness! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We are a joke yet we've seen worse than this cue the lack of reaction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 My concern is we're being left behind in terms of valuations of players. The market has changed (with the end of FFP and the new TV deals), either we change with it or get left behind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 My concern is we're being left behind in terms of valuations of players. The market has changed (with the end of FFP and the new TV deals)' date=' either we change with it or get left behind.[/quote']Can say that exact quote for the last 10 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I think we briefly caught up a couple of years ago, we have spent a lot on this current squad, but it's a fast changing market. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Apparently Nasri is available. He'd improve us for sure... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
adhikapp Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Apparently Nasri is available. He'd improve us for sure... Obviously he won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 To be fair, at least as striker go, Man Utd couldn't find one either. I don't know about DM. Arguments can be made that Morgan wasn't worth it. In that case, is there really no one else in the market? With the strikers, only the ones at the top clubs fit our bill. Is Alaba and Busquets and Matic the only DMs that can improve us? It's difficult to believe that there isn't one out there for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 David Ornstein @bbcsport_david Very unlikely #AFC will make any signings today. Explored options but nothing was close & almost certainly no ins or outs now #DeadlineDay Well there it is. Any hopes of a title challenge gone. So unbelievably fed up of Wenger's ********. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I've never been as disappointed with a transfer window in a long time. All that BS Wenger was spewing just infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 If we don't challenge for the title then Wenger should be sacked. Are we all in agreement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Why doesn't Wenger want to spend if money is there? I'm not an Arsenal fan but even I can see you have had the same problem for past 5 years. Goalkeeper (now fixed) a dominent centre half with bit of pace and a DM someone who kicks the opposition puts his foot in and control the midfield while the other talented players show off their passing and time on the ball. Arsenal won't spend, United spending money in areas they don't need, Chelsea buying players then loaning them out again last few windows been a bit strange to say the lease. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If we don't challenge for the title then Wenger should be sacked. Are we all in agreement? I said this at the beginning of the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Why doesn't Wenger want to spend if money is there? I'm not an Arsenal fan but even I can see you have had the same problem for past 5 years. Goalkeeper (now fixed) a dominent centre half with bit of pace and a DM someone who kicks the opposition puts his foot in and control the midfield while the other talented players show off their passing and time on the ball.Arsenal won't spend, United spending money in areas they don't need, Chelsea buying players then loaning them out again last few windows been a bit strange to say the lease. We don't need a CB and the DM you've described is Coquelin - who has shown that he's not the right player for us. Lots of misses there Tone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's like Gary Neville is posting, obsession with pace and power. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If we don't challenge for the title then Wenger should be sacked. Are we all in agreement? If we do challenge for the title can you be sacked from this thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If we don't challenge for the title then Wenger should be sacked. Are we all in agreement? Nope. That's a stupid absolutist stance fails to account for any potential context. It also doesn't accept the reality of our situation. Realistically we are 4th best as a result of resources and our resources aren't particularly close to City's or Utd's or even Chelsea's if they choose to utilise them. As a consequence of this a title challenge isn't really an expectation. So a failure from the manager to take us there isn't them failing to do their job really it's just in the case of Wenger disappointingly failing to continue the progress the club has recently made. This doesn't take away from our window being disappointing it's just not the complete utter shambles portrayed by some or at least compared to previous efforts at least. Apparently Nasri is available. He'd improve us for sure... As much as I like him as a player we would be dumb to back there given his attitude issues To be fair, at least as striker go, Man Utd couldn't find one either.I don't know about DM. Arguments can be made that Morgan wasn't worth it. In that case, is there really no one else in the market? With the strikers, only the ones at the top clubs fit our bill. Is Alaba and Busquets and Matic the only DMs that can improve us? It's difficult to believe that there isn't one out there for us. There were other ones on the market they're just not immediately apparent to us. There is definitely more that could be done. Oh and Matic whilst clearly better than our options is overrated and Alaba isn't really a DM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Thiago Motta a month ago could have been swayed... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yeah, people been saying for years we need a ball winner in midfield. We finally got one, and he hasn't been the silver bullet everyone say he'll be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Realistically we are 4th best as a result of resources and our resources aren't particularly close to City's or Utd's or even Chelsea's if they choose to utilise them. ManUtd are way out in front in terms of resources. The only reason we don't compete against City and Chelsea is because of Kronke. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony7 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It's like Gary Neville is posting, obsession with pace and power. Arsenal have no problem beating teams who sit behind the ball and give you time on the ball its the better sides who attack you and not give you time on the ball is what Arsenal normally have problems despite beating City last season and Chelsea charity shield. If Arsenal get 2nd by about 15 points but behind Man City by about 12 points would you still want Wenger out? I know you guys are frustrated and with ticket prices and the capacity and where you are at etc you guys must be frustrated not buying 3 big players per season so you push on each season but you have to be careful what you wish for too. Arsenal play good football under Wenger, always top 4 there is no guarantee someone else takes over spends more money by signing the players you want to see at Arsenal and plays same attractive football and finished top 4 every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yeah, people been saying for years we need a ball winner in midfield. We finally got one, and he hasn't been the silver bullet everyone say he'll be. It's always been with a caveat (from actual Arsenal fans) to have a player who can win the ball yet be able to pass and evade pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Arsenal have no problem beating teams who sit behind the ball and give you time on the ball its the better sides who attack you and not give you time on the ball is what Arsenal normally have problems despite beating City last season and Chelsea charity shield. You actually couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Thiago Motta a month ago could have been swayed... Well yeah potentially Yeah, people been saying for years we need a ball winner in midfield. We finally got one, and he hasn't been the silver bullet everyone say he'll be. I think it's because the concept of a ball winner is dated unless you want to finish in 10th ManUtd are way out in front in terms of resources. The only reason we don't compete against City and Chelsea is because of Kronke. They aren't miles ahead of City and Chelsea if the owners at those two clubs look to spend big. Kroenke is treating this like an investment not a play thing. That does. hold us back resource wise whilst FFP dies Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 They aren't miles ahead of City and Chelsea if the owners at those two clubs look to spend big. Kroenke is treating this like an investment not a play thing. That does. hold us back resource wise whilst FFP dies And they wouldn't be miles ahead of us if our owner actually invested in the club. The sad thing is Wenger wouldn't even need hundreds of millions of pounds to do the business he needs to do. So short sighted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 And they wouldn't be miles ahead of us if our owner actually invested in the club. The sad thing is Wenger wouldn't even need hundreds of millions of pounds to do the business he needs to do. So short sighted. It's not now Kroenke has ever operated. I don't think it's unreasonable for him not to invest. There is a fundamental issue in football with financial doping which needs to be fixed before the winning becomes even more concentrated Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 People have invested in football clubs for as long as the sport has existed so it's hardly a fundamental problem. Would be great if we had an NFL set up which encouraged sporting equality, but if that doesn't happen then the worse thing that could happen would be FFP style systems which just cement the existing pecking order and leave you with a league where the club with the most supporters wins the league virtually every season. If the owners of Arsenal are happy running the club on the cheap and settling for 4th every season, fair enough, but in that case they need to stop being the most expensive club in the world to follow. Can't have it both ways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Previously the investors and owners were owners a long haul haulage firm in Rotherham but super duper billionaires though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 If the owners of Arsenal are happy running the club on the cheap and settling for 4th every season' date=' fair enough, but in that case they need to stop being the most expensive club in the world to follow. Can't have it both ways.[/quote']Is there a waiting list for season tickets at Arsenal? If there is, prices only ever go one way until existing season ticket holders don't renew and the waiting list isn't large enough to plug that gap. The Arsenal fans at work have an air of muted fury combined with abject apathy today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 People have invested in football clubs for as long as the sport has existed so it's hardly a fundamental problem. Would be great if we had an NFL set up which encouraged sporting equality' date=' but if that doesn't happen then the worse thing that could happen would be FFP style systems which just cement the existing pecking order and leave you with a league where the club with the most supporters wins the league virtually every season.If the owners of Arsenal are happy running the club on the cheap and settling for 4th every season, fair enough, but in that case they need to stop being the most expensive club in the world to follow. Can't have it both ways.[/quote'] I don't think it's about running it on the cheap it's just he isn't willing to put his money in. That we have to be asking for the owners to be benefactors and worry that they're just merely using it for an investment shows how far off football is currently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Is there a waiting list for season tickets at Arsenal? If there is, prices only ever go one way until existing season ticket holders don't renew and the waiting list isn't large enough to plug that gap.The Arsenal fans at work have an air of muted fury combined with abject apathy today. Yeah it's a pretty lengthy one. I don't see the point at getting angry about the transfer window it is only one of many potential causes for a team not achieving what we want it to. People have the transfer market massively out of proportion these days Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 1, 2015 Author Share Posted September 1, 2015 Nope. That's a stupid absolutist stance fails to account for any potential context. It also doesn't accept the reality of our situation. Realistically we are 4th best as a result of resources and our resources aren't particularly close to City's or Utd's or even Chelsea's if they choose to utilise them. As a consequence of this a title challenge isn't really an expectation. So a failure from the manager to take us there isn't them failing to do their job really it's just in the case of Wenger disappointingly failing to continue the progress the club has recently made. Wenger has chosen not to be active, Wenger has talked about this being an exceptional group ready to challenge. This is Wenger's team and he's told the world about how great they are. If they don't prove it then surely he should be held accountable. I've said it numerous times, but we pretend to be an elite club, we act like one in all areas except on the pitch. We seemingly exist simply to make money - it's why Wenger is unsackable. Arsenal play good football under Wenger, always top 4 there is no guarantee someone else takes over spends more money by signing the players you want to see at Arsenal and plays same attractive football and finished top 4 every year. :D Behave, Arsenal haven't played 'good football' in years. We are dull 90% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Wenger has chosen not to be active, Wenger has talked about this being an exceptional group ready to challenge. This is Wenger's team and he's told the world about how great they are. If they don't prove it then surely he should be held accountable. I've said it numerous times, but we pretend to be an elite club, we act like one in all areas except on the pitch. We seemingly exist simply to make money - it's why Wenger is unsackable.. Sure he should be held accountable but not to his public statements for obvious reasons. He should be held to the standard we can reasonably expect given our resources. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Well we haven't used all our resources. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Well we haven't used all our resources. Not the bank balance no but there aren't that many players who have moved who would have improved us who were within our resource range. For instance Sterling and Schneiderlin the fee and wages combination made them both unworkable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That is what the market operates at now, either we up the money we are prepared to pay or we're done as a force in this country. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 That is what the market operates at now' date=' either we up the money we are prepared to pay or we're done as a force in this country.[/quote']No we just have to be a bit more circumspect and cleverer about it. We can't for instance give Schneiderlin more money than Ozil, massive agent's fee and then pay £25mill when he isn't particularly close to being the perfect option. We could however go and buy Ki or try for Motta/Soriano/Fuego Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Yeah it's a pretty lengthy one. I don't see the point at getting angry about the transfer window it is only one of many potential causes for a team not achieving what we want it to. People have the transfer market massively out of proportion these days I don't think anyone is blaming the transfer market for our poor form. That's mainly on Wenger. I think the worry is that they think they know how good this team is, which is not good enough to win the league with. The frustration with the lack of activity is due to the fact that they think the transfer market is the only way we're going challenge for the title. Basically, they're frustrated by the idea of stalling as also-rans, rather than being able to push towards the next level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 We can't for instance give Schneiderlin more money than Ozil, massive agent's fee and then pay £25mill when he isn't particularly close to being the perfect option. We could however go and buy Ki or try for Motta/Soriano/Fuego £25m isn't a lot of money anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Schneiderlin is rumoured to be on £100k per week at Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 I don't think anyone is blaming the transfer market for our poor form. That's mainly on Wenger.I think the worry is that they think they know how good this team is, which is not good enough to win the league with. The frustration with the lack of activity is due to the fact that they think the transfer market is the only way we're going challenge for the title. Basically, they're frustrated by the idea of stalling as also-rans, rather than being able to push towards the next level. Oh I understand that completely but people are obsessed with it. It doesn't alone define your season all sorts of room for other improvements £25m isn't a lot of money anymore. It is for us when the players isn't even particularly right for the role. It also isn't bad by itself just when combined with the other two factors it definitely is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Schneiderlin is rumoured to be on £100k per week at Man U. Asked Arsenal for £150k apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Schneiderlin is rumoured to be on £100k per week at Man U. This doesn't surprise me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 It is for us when the players isn't even particularly right for the role. It also isn't bad by itself just when combined with the other two factors it definitely is No it's not, I'd say paying £25m is pretty much standard now. If you want the perfect player you're looking at £40m+. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 No it's not' date=' I'd say paying £25m is pretty much standard now. If you want the perfect player you're looking at £40m+.[/quote']Perfect player doesn't mean the player doesn't have flaws. Just means they are right for the role. Schneiderlin whichever way you look at it probably isn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Just read on Sky Sports that Arsenal are the only club in the top five leagues to not sign an outfield player? Good effort Arsene. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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