Ayub95 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Why would Wenger want him if he most probably was aware of that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Apparently he turned down Atletico to join up with Pardew again. If he's good enough for Atletico... Which Atletico? I don't know what the reason is but there is a reason why he ended up at Palace. All of the better teams in the league knew him well None of the bigger teams need him anyway. Man Utd signed Morgan and Bastian. Chelsea has Matic and Cesc. Man City has Fernando and Fernandinho, and they went for Delph because of his HG status. I don't know if Wenger would ever consider him as a viable option for the DM position. Back in Newcastle, he had Tiote with him as well. If Wenger ever consider Cabaye as the controller, and not the DM, I think he'd far prefer Cazorla for that position anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 What's the point in overspending on a player who isn't the right 1? Because we can afford to? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Apparently he turned down Atletico to join up with Pardew again. If he's good enough for Atletico... Well even that isn't necessarily true. They defend in such a different way to us His apparent laziness seemed to be a serious issue at Newcastle. Yeah I have heard that Which Atletico?None of the bigger teams need him anyway. Man Utd signed Morgan and Bastian. Chelsea has Matic and Cesc. Man City has Fernando and Fernandinho, and they went for Delph because of his HG status. I don't know if Wenger would ever consider him as a viable option for the DM position. Back in Newcastle, he had Tiote with him as well. If Wenger ever consider Cabaye as the controller, and not the DM, I think he'd far prefer Cazorla for that position anyway. Liverpool and Spurs etc? They could definitely do with a holding mid who can pass. I think the general idea is he would be the deepest player with Ramsey being the Tiote. He has done it for France in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Interested to see how this team plays, No Ozil or Giroud and Walcott, Sanchez and Chamberlain all starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I think the general idea is he would be the deepest player with Ramsey being the Tiote. He has done it for France in the past. I don't know about Spurs, but Pool's midfield is tight already. In any case, none of the UCL teams want him. Without that, I think playing for Pardew and being guaranteed star status in a team are two pretty big factors for him. I wonder if deep playmakers usually work with one box-to-box midfielder like Ramsey. It seems they're either given a defensive specialist like Alonso/Mascherano, or they're put in a midfield with more than one B2B midfielders, such as Pirlo in the Juventus status. Obviously, having that mythical holding player who can both defend and pass would be sweet. I don't see one in the market though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Interested to see how this team plays, No Ozil or Giroud and Walcott, Sanchez and Chamberlain all starting. Well, at least there can't be any complaint about the lack of pace this time round. I think it could either be very exciting or very frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Relieved about that result. Didn't play with much pace throughout. In all honesty, Laurent Koscielny was our best offensive player - whenever he stepped out of defence (3 times) he followed it up with a quick attacking move. The move he started resulted in the goal. We need a midfielder or attacker to do this in future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 I don't know about Spurs, but Pool's midfield is tight already. In any case, none of the UCL teams want him. Without that, I think playing for Pardew and being guaranteed star status in a team are two pretty big factors for him.I wonder if deep playmakers usually work with one box-to-box midfielder like Ramsey. It seems they're either given a defensive specialist like Alonso/Mascherano, or they're put in a midfield with more than one B2B midfielders, such as Pirlo in the Juventus status. Obviously, having that mythical holding player who can both defend and pass would be sweet. I don't see one in the market though. Well yeah it's balance. It's why Arteta Ramsey worked pretty well. Also most of the top teams have passers as the holding mid as they realise it is useless having a player who can't really move the ball that well when facing 11 men behind the ball. It was noticeable how much more penetrative we looked when Arteta came on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Jake Humphrey @mrjakehumphrey 5m5 minutes ago Imagine if #Ozil was actually left out today because he's set to play a part in a big end to the transfer window for #Arsenal... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Yeah doubt that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted August 29, 2015 Share Posted August 29, 2015 Is he in Madrid convincing Benzema to join? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 29, 2015 Author Share Posted August 29, 2015 Awful performance today. Just don't see how we can put in a title challenge with the squad we have. Midfield 2 struggled again and Theo Walcott is just not a striker. Monreal was fantastic though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 On the bright side, our defense actually looked pretty decent. Kos/Gabriel dealt with pretty much everything they had to, and Monreal was his quiet excellent self again. Cech barely had a thing to do. To be fair, it was against 10 men, so maybe that's the decisive factor. The pacey players given the chance didn't impress. Walcott was almost invisible. He must have touched the ball two dozens times at most. Welbeck and Giroud clearly the better option as the lone striker in most cases. Ox, the goal aside, didn't have a very good game either. Showed why Wenger chose a central midfielder over him for his own position. Sanchez continues to struggle to find his last season's form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Alexis isn't struggling he's just not fit. Aguero is having similar problems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 If Gabriel keeps up his form, should Per gets his place back even if he is fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Yes. It's Kos that should be worried Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Yes. It's Kos that should be worried Why? Per's the one who's injured. If Per gets back, we have 3 fit, but if Gab/Kos has been keeping cleansheets while Per is gone, should that partnership be broken up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Wish we'd overlap more, at least down Monreal's flank. When he gets around the area and overloads it's always dangerous. Definitely particularly given Monreal and Bellerin both have good end product Alexis isn't struggling he's just not fit. Aguero is having similar problems. Yeah this pretty much. He is part of the problem we have though as he destabilises the team and we've struggled to find consistent attacking balance with him If Gabriel keeps up his form, should Per gets his place back even if he is fit? Both should be. Don't see the case why it should be one or the other. Though we should be looking to move away from Per whilst he is good he requires too much protection and pushes our defensive line back which is one of our fundamental problems Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Yes. It's Kos that should be worried Think Koscielny and Gabriel is more likely than Mertesacker & Gabriel. I think Gabriel's pace and physicality will eventually win him Mertesacker's place. Would allow Wenger to try the high line option more again. Wenger likes a high line, the players like deep and compact. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Guarantee that we would press a lot better in a high line and Giroud particularly will be more effective with his flicks and link-up in a squeezed space with players pushed up playing close to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Kos and Gabriel is far too impulsive and aggressive for me. Not a lot of thinking goes on between those two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Guarantee that we would press a lot better in a high line and Giroud particularly will be more effective with his flicks and link-up in a squeezed space with players pushed up playing close to him. This pretty much. Also Gabriel and even more so Chambers are comfortable in space so we can abandon them more won't be so exposed one v one out wide for instance Kos and Gabriel is far too impulsive and aggressive for me. Not a lot of thinking goes on between those two. I thought that at first but having watched them play together a fair bit now there is little indication of that being an issue. The real miss from Mertesacker is his passing from deep he is very precise and breaks the lines consistently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's rumoured we've had a bid knocked back for Icardi, probably nothing in it though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 This pretty much. Also Gabriel and even more so Chambers are comfortable in space so we can abandon them more won't be so exposed one v one out wide for instance While almost anyone would be more comfortable than Per with defending in space out wide, Chambers have been taken apart numerous times by speedy wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 While almost anyone would be more comfortable than Per with defending in space out wide, Chambers have been taken apart numerous times by speedy wingers. I think that's more to do with his general rawness defensively. If he develops he'll be fine in space he shows it occasionally Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's rumoured we've had a bid knocked back for Icardi, probably nothing in it though! From the Daily Star I guess. Never take them seriously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Should we rest Sanchez, so he can have a proper rest so he's fit for the better part of the season. We at least have players who can play in his position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 It's rumoured we've had a bid knocked back for Icardi, probably nothing in it though! I'm a huge fan of his, but I highly doubt we will pay the fee required for his services. Can't see Wenger paying £30-35M for a 22 year old. I hope I'm wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Wenger wouldn't sign a poacher for that much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Should we rest Sanchez, so he can have a proper rest so he's fit for the better part of the season.We at least have players who can play in his position. I think he should be rested a bit. He isn't helping the team currently even if he was one of our most creative players. I really want us to put him back up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 No thanks to Icardi, would honestly rather sign Charlie Austin for half the price and i don't think there would be a big difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Would rather Ramsey up front than either Icardi or Austin. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Would rather Ramsey up front than either Icardi or Austin. Given OX did a stint there against Newcastle it can't be too far away... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The way Ramsey has played this season, he's taking the whole "Welsh Frank Lampard" talk straight to heart. Better movement than a certain winger who wants to be a striker. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 The way Ramsey has played this season, he's taking the whole "Welsh Frank Lampard" talk straight to heart. Better movement than a certain winger who wants to be a striker. I think I have better movement than Walcott up front Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 22 goals in 36 apps as a 21/22 year old in Serie A. I can understand not considering him to be worth £30M but saying Austin or Ramsey are better up front... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chr1s Lawson Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Better goal output than Higuain who is also a poacher! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
H.O.V.I Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 22 goals in 36 apps as a 21/22 year old in Serie A. I can understand not considering him to be worth £30M but saying Austin or Ramsey are better up front... Scoring 22 goals in Serie A is not that impressive. I don't want Austin but if it was a choice between him and Icardi at half the price i know what i would prefer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggaeBwoy Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Scoring 22 goals in Serie A is not that impressive.I don't want Austin but if it was a choice between him and Icardi at half the price i know what i would prefer. At the age of 21/22, it is. It is impressive for most strikers but at that age, that is an excellent achievement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Could get Gomis for £7m Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Scoring 22 goals in Serie A is not that impressive.I don't want Austin but if it was a choice between him and Icardi at half the price i know what i would prefer. He outscored Tevez and Higuaín at the age of 21/22. What ReggaeBwoy said, at that age it's very impressive. Beyond the goals, he has very good physical attributes as well. His potential is high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Could get Gomis for £7m A player who is worse than both Giroud and Welbeck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 A better striker than Walcott though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 A better striker than Walcott though. doesn't make him someone worth signing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 For £7m it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 No it really doesn't. Why buy a third choice striker who won't get much of a look in when the other two are fit given both Giroud and Welbeck are ordinarily pretty reliable fitness wise. That's before we consider Alexis upfront. It's just buying a player for the sake of buying one. You have to integrate this player and keep them happy with sufficient amount of time on the pitch. First issue takes time to occur and requires them to get onto the pitch. The second problem could lead to disruption as it is unlikely we'll be able to give them enough minutes. There is a reason why teams when looking at third choices for positions where they only need one to play each week either use very young options or old ones Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 No it doesn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Pointless. Gomis adds nothing different to the team. I like him, but he adds nothing that Giroud, Welbeck and Walcott don't between them. Somebody like Benzema on the other hand... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 Kike Marin** @Kike_Marin_ @Arsenal Wenger still looking for a 9 His first targets have failed and today has been INTERESTED in Higuain No thank you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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