Happiest Day of My FM Life.. What should I do??

[mcgaffer]

After 20 Years of Playing, Today just a few mins ago My SON made it PRO

I started my Managerial Career at Napoli in the Summer of 2013. My Job was Simple get into the Champions League and have a bash off the Title.

Juventus,Milan, Roma and Inter started the season in shocking form and Juve were as low as 8th at Christmas and before they could make the march up the table after New Years and after sacking Conte I was Out of Sight. We Even made the Champions League Semi Final and were cruelly Knocked out by Madrid in the Last kick of the Game on Away Goals. WE won the League and I Rebuilt from the Bottom.

After a summer of Rebuilding and placing my faith in the young players from around the World I knew it would take time, we lost the Super Cup Final to a Lazio Cup winning side that was recently relegated. But Boy was I wrong, we started the League on fire and went unbeaten in Europe and the League until mid January. Then after researching our youth program I started to overhaul the the Dead Wood and began Bringing in Specialised Youth Staff who would coach the Youth Development program I put in Place.

3 Weeks Later the Trail Day Came and the Local Schools and Clubs Best Players were cut down into a Squad, and unbeknownst to me my Son had been one of them.

Ladies and Gentlemen I give to You, the Fruit of My Loins

Funny Thing is I'm also 6 Foot, Right Footed and My Knee is Currently messed up as well

[mcgaffer]

Reserved

[mcgaffer]

Okay stats aren't amazing but at least his Personality is Fairly Determined and has 15 for Determination. Question is How and Can I turn him WORLD CLASS??

[mcgaffer]

Well with 5 years training and having his 2nd Nationality as Irish. He may have a decent career in the League of Ireland yet

[ndebergerac]

2 star potential at Napoli probably means he has the potential to be a pretty decent player, not Serie A perhaps, but certainly could be a Serie B/C career player. Give the lad the best training money can buy, loan him out when the time is right, then send him on his merry way to pursue his career.

I look forward to updates:thup:

Edit: Oh, hey Mike

[Jimbokav1971]

His PA seems rubbish, (sorry for being blunt). (He looks to have 2 silver stars for PA which is the same as my son was).

My son now has 1.5 gold stars at the age of 19.

Originally it was said that he had the potential to be a good Serie B player, (but that's not really good enough for my San Marino Club side so he is now out on loan), after staying long enough to ensure that he is registered HG at club.

Here are some threads you might want to look at.

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/390590-I-m-a-Dad!

http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/383335-Unlock-son-generated.

In terms of advice, I suppose it depends if you want to base your whole save on him as a player. He's not going to be a Superstar so it's really up to you what you do. As I am managing both the San Marino club & NT he might very well make an impact on the NT in the future, (I hope he will only be a back-up), but he is never going to be good enough to play regularly for the club side. Despite that, at the age of 19 he has already scored his 1st Serie A goal, scored his 1st International goal, now has 13 Caps and is currently on loan at Serie C1/B Pisa.

The 1 bit of advice I will give you is that I tutored by son from Fairly Determined to Resolute, and I am happy to leave him at that now. Fairly determined might help his performances on the pitch, but it's not ideal for meeting his PA in terms of training and development so you might want to look at that. My son started with no ppm's and I have given him "shoots with power" as a bit of an experiment. Your son already has one, but looks like he might not have the physical abilities to really take advantage of it, (so that's up to you).

You haven't posted many pics and I would be interested to see if he is injury prone after getting seriously injured so early.

Also it's interesting that he is already the subject of a transfer bid. Who wants him by the way?

Would love to see some more pics by the way.

[Edit]

I have just realised the transfer bid is going to be you offering him a contract.

[Edit2]

Just out of interest, what was your 1st and 2nd Nationality and what are Joey's?

My profile was created with me being Sammarinese/Welsh.

Daniele, (flippin girls name), was created Italian/Sammarinese, but interestingly he is a Welsh speaker.

[nickdc]

Get his leadership skills upped. He may not be a future star, but you can loan him out when the time is right. Keep improving his leadership when he's at the club and push him toward being your number 2 in about oooh 20 seasons. When your save comes to an end, get him into your job.

[interesti88]

The 2 star rating isn't all that bad, I've seen players in my save that are 3 stars to about 1 and a half stars and with enough playing time and good consistent performances they can become very good players even able to be a bench player for your team. I've had players that I almost gave up on because they looked dismal, but with a yr or 2 training in the youth squad then loaned out for a few yrs they come back looking better and their stats vastly improved. So its up to you wether or not you wanna give the kid a chnace

[Krald]

Well when club reputation is almost maxed, a 2 star player can be about 150 CA. So even if Napoli's rep is less than world class, it could still mean he could potentially be a decent bit-part player or a player that would do well in a lower top-division team.

No idea exactly what his PA would be though. If I had to guess though I imagine it could be 130.

[mcgaffer]

Thanks for all the Advice, Last Game of the Season in the League. Had already won it and have a Copa Italia Final and Champions League Final coming up. Was 2-0 up and I brought him on with 20 mins left and this happened

[smp20]

Love that, scoring on his debut! I reckon you should keep him in and around the squad and develop him as much as you can. I've never had a son on any FM.

[mcgaffer]

Jimbokav1971

Just out of interest, what was your 1st and 2nd Nationality and what are Joey's?

My profile was created with me being Sammarinese/Welsh.

Daniele, (flippin girls name), was created Italian/Sammarinese, but interestingly he is a Welsh speaker.

I'm an ex Irish International with Italian as 2nd Nationality. I have Bayern set as Fav Team, as I just wanted a quick save where I managed Napoli and then Hopefully got the Bayern Job after Pep was done (thats Changed now tho .

Joey was born in Naples and considers himself Italian/Irish.

Well when club reputation is almost maxed, a 2 star player can be about 150 CA. So even if Napoli's rep is less than world class, it could still mean he could potentially be a decent bit-part player or a player that would do well in a lower top-division team.

Napoli are Half a Star Away, Could it really be as much as 150.

Also he had 2 clear cut chances in the game, Cagliari had thrown in the towel. But I was a Proud Papa

[mcgaffer]

Love that, scoring on his debut! I reckon you should keep him in and around the squad and develop him as much as you can. I've never had a son on any FM.

Never had a Son either, had all but given up. I'm thinking I'l try to turn him into a fox in the box, the tactic suits him too as all he needs is to stay in the centre and get a few tap ins.

[podunkboy]

So, it's only 2015, I assume you "bought" your son? I've never seen a son generate in the 2nd year of a save. Or are you playing FM '05?

[Animasta]

So I don't suppose anyone's gotten a Michael Bradley huh? The sons everyone gets are always terrible.

I do wonder if you can get a son if you play a woman coach though.

[mcgaffer]

So, it's only 2015, I assume you "bought" your son? I've never seen a son generate in the 2nd year of a save. Or are you playing FM '05?

No FM14, I'v never had had a Son Generate. How would I have bought him?

In Other News, won the Champs League, gained that extra half Star and he's dropped to 1 and 1/2 now. Pity he's going to be rubbish.

[Jimbokav1971]

So I don't suppose anyone's gotten a Michael Bradley huh? The sons everyone gets are always terrible.

I do wonder if you can get a son if you play a woman coach though.

If I was going to pick an example of a great young player who's Father was a great player or manager, I'm pretty sure that the name Bradley would not be passing my lips.

While I used the word "rubbish" earlier on in this thread, everything is relative and I really only mean in terms of having a dominant European team. I don't think my son, (or Joey Mc), are going to be World-beaters, but they should certainly be good enough for Serie B and that will probably be good enough for an International career with Ireland.

It's just that they are never going to be that "star" player that we dream of.

[TacticalGenius]

So, it's only 2015, I assume you "bought" your son? I've never seen a son generate in the 2nd year of a save. Or are you playing FM '05?

He is playing 'full fat' FM, so it can only be legitimate. The unlockable only works in FMC.

[podunkboy]

well then this disproves the "have to be at a club for 10 years and have a 10-year service player retire" rule that's often cited. I may have already dumped my son, although I don't think I've seen my last name (manager's) pop up...he could have been illigitimate, though...

[TacticalGenius]

well then this disproves the "have to be at a club for 10 years and have a 10-year service player retire" rule that's often cited. I may have already dumped my son, although I don't think I've seen my last name (manager's) pop up...he could have been illigitimate, though...

That again is only for FMC. When this happens on FMC, a son will be generated in the next intake, without purchasing the unlockable.

It never was a rule in normal FM.

[iiMStevo]

My squad is rated a little higher than Napoli in my game at the moment (like 5 ranks higher), and currently 2.5*-4* is a Serie A 'Star' player, anything higher is 'World Class'.

So he has the potential to be a good player, just he won't be your star player.

[mcgaffer]

I'm getting him tutored now by Insigne, who is fairly ambitiousand Heavy Training Complete Forward so I hope that rubs off and he can get as good as he can.

Any Suggestions?? I usually just tutor like for like but I'v read some guides and really don't know what to do now.

http://http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/329121-Tutoring-a-model-professional-youngster

and Cleons Guide,http://http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/380395-Ajax-When-Real-Life-Meets-Football-Manager-FM14

My Training Facilities are now up to Superb Training, Good Youth and Good Junior Coaching and Established Youth Recruitment and Facilities are due to upgrade in a few months

[Jimbokav1971]

It's just personal preference, but I prefer my squad to be Pro/Resolute/Driven.

I have 4 Model Pro's in my squad, and another 2 who were Model Pro's and who now show as "Leaders" and a total of 7 more who are just Pro.

My personal preference is Professionalism as a priority though. Certainly professionalism over ambition. Again, it's really up to you though.

Do you have any ppm's that you want him to learn? (The one that he has doesn't seem to suit his strengths). Are you going to get him to learn these via tutoring or via individual training?

[mcgaffer]

Do you have any ppm's that you want him to learn? (The one that he has doesn't seem to suit his strengths). Are you going to get him to learn these via tutoring or via individual training?

I have no idea what to do? He was Generated with that PPM. Usually I build a whole Club around my Best Player or a youngster, This Napoli save has been nuts anyway. It started out as testing a Tactical Set and now I'd fight a War for young Joey.

Honestly I'v had every incarnation of Manager Games since the Early 90's and this is Unbelievable.Win,Lose or Draw I Love little Joey:)

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[soldierblue123]

I have never had a son on FM at all.. so well done and keep us all updated please.

[Jimbokav1971]

I have no idea what to do? He was Generated with that PPM. Usually I build a whole Club around my Best Player or a youngster, This Napoli save has been nuts anyway. It started out as testing a Tactical Set and now I'd fight a War for young Joey.

Honestly I'v had every incarnation of Manager Games since the Early 90's and this is Unbelievable.Win,Lose or Draw I Love little Joey:)

Well in that case I have a few suggestions.

1. Prioritise a Pro/Model Pro/Resolute tutor ahead of ambitious one.

2. Have a look at him and your tactic and work out what has to change to get the best out of him.

3. Play him a min of 15 minutes each match even if it costs you points/games.

4. Don't loan him out until he is HG at club.

5. Look to apply for Irish NT or even Italian NT job, (even U21 role).

6. Make sure he is the pen taker.

7. Composure is the area that most needs work.

8. Your tactic is currently NOT set up to see the DLF plunder goals. Look to experiment with new roles(duties) to give your scoring chances to your SC. (I personally like an AF).

9. In terms of a striker with low composure, the ppm that jumps out at me, (and by the way it's the one I have taught my son), is "shoots with power".

10. Don't rush to change your tactic if what you have is working. He will be bit-part (15 mins) player for a couple of years so no reason to change immediately.

[Ackter]

*Wanders in*

Pfft

*Wanders back out*

[nickdc]

Erm... has anyone ever had twins?

[mcgaffer]

End of Season 15/16 after Joeys 1st Full Season

He made his Debut for the Irish U19s and scored twice vs the Mighty Faroes and wasn't called up since, been tutored by Insigne and just coming to the end with Higuain, Gone up a half star after dropping to 1 and a half at one stage. I'll train Shoots With Power next so hopefully he can score a few more and I just got the Italian U23 Job for the 2016 Olympics so I'll call him up for that too.

[Jimbokav1971]

Mcgaffer. Can we see some other Joey pics please. Reports - Coach Report screen, Profile - Info - Nationalities screen, Assistant Reports, (filtered to strikers only).

Thanks.

I just got the Italian U23 Job for the 2016 Olympics so I'll call him up for that too.

Nice. The only problem with that is that these are classed as competitive games, (I think). As soon as he plays one then he will forever be (ITA) rather than (IRE).

You are more likely to get the (IRE) NT job than the (ITA) NT job at this stage. You might be limiting his NT prospects by ruling out (IRE).

What skin are you using by the way? I love the fact that you can see the attribute improvement.

[kandersson]

keep it up!

2 stars - or even 1.5 - isn't bad as he's compared to world class players at Napoli. Pretty sure he'd be decent/good Serie A quality. I have 2.5 stars prospect rated as 'potential leading star for serie A'. What are your coaches reporting about his potential?

I say tutor him with your best professional strikers then give him a season out on loan when he turn 18 and then make him a first team regular for the next 15 years...

[Jimbokav1971]

I say tutor him with your best professional strikers then give him a season out on loan when he turn 18 and then make him a first team regular for the next 15 years...

No. I must reiterate this.

Do not send him out on loan until he has spent 3 seasons at your club. If you send him out on loan before this then he will not become HG at club for European purposes. Keep tutoring him, give him individual training on composure, (nice improvement already by the way), and just play him from bench. With giving him so many starts at such an early age while he is being trained heavily I would worry about him coping and getting injured.

0(56) appearances (15-45 mins each) is better than 11(17) appearances (imo).

[kandersson]

No. I must reiterate this.

Do not send him out on loan until he has spent 3 seasons at your club. If you send him out on loan before this then he will not become HG at club for European purposes. Keep tutoring him, give him individual training on composure, (nice improvement already by the way), and just play him from bench. With giving him so many starts at such an early age while he is being trained heavily I would worry about him coping and getting injured.

0(56) appearances (15-45 mins each) is better than 11(17) appearances (imo).

he came at the club at 15 so a loan at 18 would be fine... plus he'd return at 19 - likely more developed - and still have lots of time to gain HG status. At 18 a prospect needs first team action to keep developing well and that would be my priority.

[mcgaffer]

Think these are right. That sucks about the olympics, I suppose I can't find out until he plays either? Default skin mate, haven't gotten around to downloading anything yet. The attributes I did myself on paint.

[kandersson]

btw i'm pretty sure Olympics count as a youth competition so if he plays for Italy U23 he will still be eligible for Ireland senior team. The problem is once he gets a call-up from Italy youth teams he might reject Ireland until he turns 24... this used to happen a lot to me with dual San marino/Italy players rejecting SM hoping to play for Italy. And when they were selected for Italy U19, then they kept rejecting SM until they turned 24 even if Italy senior team never really called them...

[Jimbokav1971]

he came at the club at 15 so a loan at 18 would be fine... plus he'd return at 19 - likely more developed - and still have lots of time to gain HG status. At 18 a prospect needs first team action to keep developing well and that would be my priority.

#

Apologies. I missed that you had said "when he turns 18", (despite quoting it).

The only thing I would say is that there would seem to be little point in loaning him out to play at a lower level when he is going to get played in Serie A and Europe if he stays. In addition to that he can continue to be tutored, (if required), and importantly you are in control of both individual training and playing time. As soon as you loan him out, (as I have done), then even if they say he will be a key member of the team, there is no guarantee that they will stick to this and play him every week.

[Jimbokav1971]

btw i'm pretty sure Olympics count as a youth competition so if he plays for Italy U23 he will still be eligible for Ireland senior team. The problem is once he gets a call-up from Italy youth teams he might reject Ireland until he turns 24... this used to happen a lot to me with dual San marino/Italy players rejecting SM hoping to play for Italy. And when they were selected for Italy U19, then they kept rejecting SM until they turned 24 even if Italy senior team never really called them...

Must admit I'm not positive about this so you might well be correct.

[Jimbokav1971]

McGaffer. Joey is definitely better than my Daniele, (so I withdraw my comment about him being rubbish).

Will post some comparison stats when I finish the 2030/31 season.

[mcgaffer]

6 or 7 Years without International Football would be a heavy price to pay. I had already named him in the squad before I read this as for some reason the Pre-Lim squad had to be in nearly 50 Days in advance for some reason. Think it might be built in now, that players playing in the Euros/U21 Euros can't be named in the Squad like GB did in 2012. Although Spain called up Mata and Co. No problem. I'm not sure yet as this is my 1st Olympic job since FM12.

Ps. He's home-grown in 1 year, but I'd rather Develop him myself. No injury problems so far and my coaches consider him a Fine Athlete

[kandersson]

#

Apologies. I missed that you had said "when he turns 18", (despite quoting it).

The only thing I would say is that there would seem to be little point in loaning him out to play at a lower level when he is going to get played in Serie A and Europe if he stays. In addition to that he can continue to be tutored, (if required), and importantly you are in control of both individual training and playing time. As soon as you loan him out, (as I have done), then even if they say he will be a key member of the team, there is no guarantee that they will stick to this and play him every week.

In my experience the minute a player turns 18 it seems the game 'wants' him to play more first team football to keep developing at good rate. You see if you don't give him decent playing time attributes don't go up like before and coach reports say 'development has stalled due to not playing first team football'. From 15 to 18 you have a lot of time to give them proper tutoring and morph their personality and determination. So when a player turns 18 and I've made sure he has good personality (professional/resolute) and at least 15 determination I prefer to loan him out. Unless he's good enough to get decent playing time for my first team already, in that case it's worth keeping him at home. Probably McGaffer will make him undisputed first choice before he turns 18...

[mcgaffer]

McGaffer. Joey is definitely better than my Daniele, (so I withdraw my comment about him being rubbish).

Will post some comparison stats when I finish the 2030/31 season

.

Cheers Mate, Thanks for all the Advice

[kandersson]

6 or 7 Years without International Football would be a heavy price to pay. I had already named him in the squad before I read this as for some reason the Pre-Lim squad had to be in nearly 50 Days in advance for some reason. Think it might be built in now, that players playing in the Euros/U21 Euros can't be named in the Squad like GB did in 2012. Although Spain called up Mata and Co. No problem. I'm not sure yet as this is my 1st Olympic job since FM12.

Ps. He's home-grown in 1 year, but I'd rather Develop him myself. No injury problems so far and my coaches consider him a Fine Athlete

If you actually don't play him during an olympic match the game shouldn't register the youth 'switch' and he'd still consider himself to be 'Irish first'. The minute you see the first nationality in his profile has changed (I assume it's Ireland now) then you might lose him as an Irishman for next 6-7 years if he thinks he might have a chance with Italy thus rejecting call-ups from ireland... it's a risk, your choice...

also i'd suggest you to get OLT regens hair pack (you should find that in editing section) as poor Joey has a terrible combination of hairstyle and hair color atm... really the OLT pack makes regens much more interesting and charismatic...

[lam]

No. I must reiterate this.

Do not send him out on loan until he has spent 3 seasons at your club. If you send him out on loan before this then he will not become HG at club for European purposes. Keep tutoring him, give him individual training on composure, (nice improvement already by the way), and just play him from bench. With giving him so many starts at such an early age while he is being trained heavily I would worry about him coping and getting injured.

0(56) appearances (15-45 mins each) is better than 11(17) appearances (imo).

Jimbo - some interesting points here. Can you please confirm what ages the 3 years at the club applies too?

ie.. If i bring in a 19 year old and keep him for three years will he qualify or do they need to be younger?

Regards

LAM

[mcgaffer]

also i'd suggest you to get OLT regens hair pack (you should find that in editing section) as poor Joey has a terrible combination of hairstyle and hair color atm... really the OLT pack makes regens much more interesting and charismatic...

Cheers kandersson, its been bothering me.

Jimbo - some interesting points here. Can you please confirm what ages the 3 years at the club applies too?

ie.. If i bring in a 19 year old and keep him for three years will he qualify or do they need to be younger?

Isn't this if he's not already home-grown at a club, he will Qualify??

[mcgaffer]

Good Shout Kandersson, Little Better Alrite

[kandersson]

Good Shout Kandersson, Little Better Alrite

much better!

it's quite decent now, sure could have been a little more fancy as you'll see a few spectacular hairdo's amongst regens now - The Mullet, The Afro, The Mohawk not to mention the very rare Tattoo or Goggles...

[mcgaffer]

Wasn't going to update until the end of the season but this week he was Awesome...

I sold Higuain to PSG and got in the 34 year old Zlatan to tutor him, Zlatan has done very well himself but my unbeaten record was at stake so I sent on my 2nd Top Scorer

Couple of Days Later I started him in the Last 16 of the Champs League

And here are his stats so far this Season

[smp20]

Goal a game! Insane.

[mcgaffer]

Here are his Attributes after his 2nd Full Season compared to how he started. I was hoping we would learn the PPM Shoots with Power fro Zlatan so I hope he picks it up this time.

Here are his stats for the Season, He was Top Goalscorer in the Champs League after scoring the same in less games than Hazard.

[Dusty_Manager]

This is incredible! I've had doubts about the PA system as some of my youngsters have flicked between a star and 4 stars since the beginning so ive been sticking with them whilst my coaches go back and forth on what they think (despite having 18+18 PA and CA scouting ability. Currently at regen date, on approximate load number 20... still waiting. will follow this!!!