Pangaea Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 can't believe we're going to lose this match after pinning them back the entire 2nd half. Poor efficiency I guess. come on please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hursty2 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 All first team strikers on the pitch now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 Was always going to happen after the City and Chelsea results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 So close to Lindegaard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hursty2 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Get ****ed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 FFS For once we play really well, although poor in the first half, and we sit with nothing to show for it. Disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Very good second half performance on the whole, rendered useless by a spineless and truly pitiful first half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Blame is squarely on SAF shoulders for that result - what a terrible selection. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Also, those ESPN commentators sounded like they wanted to be in the Spurs dugout... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
metal_guitarist Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Had them up against the wall for most of that last 30 minutes as well Hopefully that's a message to Fergie that you can't play such an immobile midfield Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Giggs should not be in the starting 11 again and Kagawa needs to earn his place. Looking half decent when we raise our game against a tiring Spurs does not hide a useless 1st half effort. Anderson and Cleverley need to be played more often till their performances say otherwise. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Blame is squarely on SAF shoulders for that result - what a terrible selection. The selection was poor, yes. But the likes of Giggs and Rooney have to take some responsibility for largely disinterested performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 pointless putting that many strikers/forwards on when our supply line is tired. Whole team needs to look at their 1st half performance and rely on the 2nd half hairdryer treatment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Sad to see a Giggs that is quite possibly past it though. Such a legend. But these days I make a silent sigh when I see him. Can still do stuff on the offensive, but does F all going back so is a liability overall. Hurts to say that but is probably true by now. Really disappointing. Other results went against us too. That Chelsea team looks so bloody good now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpillBlood Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Anderson and Cleverley need to be played more often till their performances say otherwise. This. I can't believe the starting eleven. Can't believe Nani shot towards the end with so many people up aswell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Blame is squarely on SAF shoulders for that result - what a terrible selection. This, why he went with that team will only be clear to him but he has always done this and won't change now. Positives in defeat are still positives i guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 The selection was poor, yes. But the likes of Giggs and Rooney have to take some responsibility for largely disinterested performances. Rooney played poor? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casablancas Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I never want to see both Giggs and Scholes playing in a midfield together against a top 5 club ever again! utter disgraceful 1st half Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I don't think we will ever buy a midfield until new signings giggs and scholes retire. As long as they are selected I somehow don't think they will. And even then we'll end up buying wingers and strikers for the hell of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Rooney played poor? As his been said earlier in the thread, he had a great 10 minutes. After that he didn't look bothered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 As his been said earlier in the thread, he had a great 10 minutes. After that he didn't look bothered. Passing was great, hit the post, just back from injury, worked hard. OK if you say so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Thought Rooney did pretty well actually. Tough to shine when you have a guy or two up your ass all the time. He very nearly scored on the end with that nice shimmy and shot as well. Blew it over, but did well to get that space and chance. Really bad weekend so think I'll drown my sorrows in Mr Beer (and have an even worse day tomorrow ofc) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Top heavy team!! ..and with that i will sign off and go into town, woe betide the chav who decides to be cheeky with me tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 You guys lost :O. The ****? I should've watched it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfmdaily Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Well, was a great game, it's shocking defeat to Manchester United and I just congratulate André Vilas Boas for being the manager that gives the first victory at Old Trafford of Tottenham history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 and with that i will sign off and go into town, woe betide the chav who decides to be cheeky with me tonight. I've just paid 6 quid to get a taxi down to my nanas 65th birthday, if I could afford a drink I'd glass someone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ72 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Stat from BBC - This is only the third time in Premier League history that Man Utd have lost two of their opening six games in a season. On the other two occasions (2002-03 and 1992-93), they ended up winning the league. So look out rest... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Nani was brilliant today yet one off target shot and people explode with rage. I wouldn't mind but the crowd are baying for a shot and when someone finally has a pop there's people shouting 'sell him!' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 What are you on about Coldberg? Who wants him sold? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 There's no control in the middle of the park. Not just a ball winner but any type of system that allows the keeping of the ball against a high energy team right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 HahahahaCan we stop using DIG and stick with DeGea Only goal you could level any blame at Lindegaard would be Bale's and that was placed well. Come off it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Phish Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Nani was brilliant today yet one off target shot and people explode with rage. I wouldn't mind but the broad are haying for a shot and when someone finally has a pop there's people shouting 'sell him!' every minute thing he does wrong he gets lambasted for. some of the people around me really clueless when it comes to supporting a player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I was referring to the crowd at the game. Nani was basically the bright point of the first half and then started tearing it up in the second half. Idiots behind me calling for Valencia all game. Then the couple of stray passes and an off target shot means he's an abortion and should be sold. He's our best winger by some distance but he's going to end up leaving because the crowd are against him now despite him doing nothing wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Needed to play Anderson or Cleverley for Giggs from the start. Would have helped also the midfielders tracking runners. No one picked up Dempsey and Vertonghen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Agreed re: Nani being our decent outlet in the first half. Just had no one in the box for the crosses. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 29, 2012 Author Share Posted September 29, 2012 Nani was good today, that shot was moronic though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 Only goal you could level any blame at Lindegaard would be Bale's and that was placed well. Come off it. Not just about the goals though, is it? De Gea's distribution ***** all over Anders', that's hugely important imo. Can guarantee he wouldn't have overhit that last ball of the game. Not that it would have made a blind bit of difference in all likelyhood. Still should be playing BSD in every game with a few exceptions for Anders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 I was referring to the crowd at the game. Nani was basically the bright point of the first half and then started tearing it up in the second half. Idiots behind me calling for Valencia all game. Then the couple of stray passes and an off target shot means he's an abortion and should be sold. He's our best winger by some distance but he's going to end up leaving because the crowd are against him now despite him doing nothing wrong. Would agree with this whole heartedly. Alot of the fans around me today aswell were a joke. On another note, first half all in all was an utter shambles. If we'd have got anything from that game it wouldn't hav been deserved. Spurs attacked well and were stoic in defence. And as much as we all love him, there is time and a place for Giggs, and today really wasn't it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 29, 2012 Share Posted September 29, 2012 So who wins the ball for Kagawa and Cleverley to go dancing about? Who protects our back line against the pace of Bale, Lennon, Walker, Sandro, Vertonghen & Dembele.We start with Carrick, Scholes, Cleverley as a central 3 with Rooney & Nani wide left and right and RVP up top. When Scholes starts to tire we bring on the legs of Ando and then Welbeck for Rooney/RVP if we need a goal. Again, Cleverley does more than his fair share of ball winning. Starting with Scholes and Carrick in a midfield 3 will inevitably lead to the Carrick/Scholes halfway house merry-go-round that does nobody any favours. Carrick - Cleverley is the answer. We cant complain about penalties, we have had enough "gifts" from the refs from the last 2 seasons to last us 5 years. Nah, we've been under the cosh for a few years now; 08-09 was when it started getting really bad iirc. Two separate independent studies had us on 95 points going into the final day last season based on games adjusted for 'refereeing errors'. Like I say, he's covering Giggs' defensive duties. It's too much to expect him to do that and be the closest player to RVP. Ahh, the old Rooney dilemma. Not seen anything of the match today but if we were expecting Kagawa to do Rooney's 'play up front until Giggs wants to wander into the middle, then you'll have to do his running for him' then there's no hope really. What are you on about Coldberg? Who wants him sold? Iceman I was referring to the crowd at the game. Nani was basically the bright point of the first half and then started tearing it up in the second half. Idiots behind me calling for Valencia all game. Then the couple of stray passes and an off target shot means he's an abortion and should be sold. He's our best winger by some distance but he's going to end up leaving because the crowd are against him now despite him doing nothing wrong. Tbf, if he has tonked Davide without justification (and bloody hell you'd have to have something serious to go up against Nani) then he should be off. Not seen anything reported beyond the Mail (and the Metro, who have the same publisher) mind. As I say, not seen anything from today; writing was on the wall with that line-up though. Only ever an either/or for Giggs and Scholes in the starting 11. Even if Fergie thinks he needs Scholes today, we need to be having a proper look at Cleverley and/or Anderson alongside Carrick for tomorrow, with Scholes as the insurance policy if we need it later on. Sounded like Giggs needs to be made aware of how long he has left on his contract. That said, was pretty nailed on we'd lose today after winning at Anfield! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 If he'd punched Petrucci he wouldn't have been playing today, I think we can safely put that rumour to bed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 If he'd punched Petrucci he wouldn't have been playing today, I think we can safely put that rumour to bed. This. If he'd punched Petrucci he'd probably never be seen anywhere near OT again. Unless there's a ridiculously good reason now let's see if Petrucci is involved in the next u21 game and then start speculating again Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I cannot believe Icelander went mental & blamed Nani for the first goal. I'm still not sure if it was serious or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 He wasn't solely to blame, Carrick and Rio didn't exactly cover themselves in glory. Not blaming Nani at all is even more ridiculous. The post I'm guessing you are referring to was much more a little dig at the discussion about the tracking back of our wingers, something he completely failed to do with the first goal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 30, 2012 Author Share Posted September 30, 2012 He should have tracked back properly, he didn't. It was bound to happen after yesterday, suck it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Might also add that I'm more pissed about that shot than him not tracking back. What on earth Rio and Carrick were doing for the first goal is beyond me. We let a ****ing centreback gallop through the heart of our team for crying out loud Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 well seeing as Nani was the only fit winger.. i think fergies hands were tied a bit. is this because of the formation? we look stupidly open at the back when we shouldn't be a massive gaping hole to run into? thats the defenders not keeping thier shape. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Nani was one of the few players who actually did cause a bother. He was totally right taking the shot late on as well. Okay, so it flew over again, but he was right to give it a shot at that distance. Very disappointing to lose, mind, we need to start playing matches in the first half. If we keep putting off playing until the 2nd half, we're not going to win any titles. (I'm drunk beyond measure right now, but this weekend has been crap and a half) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I think some fans on here just like the ones at the ground have picked Nani as a scapegoat. I bet if HE was the one that dragged a shot (when through on goal & on his favourite foot) wide, it would be the only thing being discussed here. Evra & Giggs were having a "who can make the most mistakes" competition. I actually don't blame Rio for the Bale goal but he was at fault alongside Carrick for goal 1 & let Defoe wriggle away in the build up to goal 3. Carrick has been covered already while Scholes did his best in the circumstances. Kagawa was wearing a cloaking device all game and bar the goal (scoring did not save Nani from criticism) and some decent passes when Spurs retreated into their shell he was terrible. RVP was ineffective and missed a golden chance at 3-2 while Rooney looked good for about 10 mins and then reverted to type. Rafael & Evans were solid if not spectacular while DIG needs to stop taking kicking lessons from PIGs trainer. When playing a strong team we should be going DeGea, Rafa, Rio, Evans, Evra, Carrick, Cleverley and Anderson (Scholes might come in for any of the 3 depending on form, opponent & pitch size) with Rooney wide left, Nani wide right and RVP up top. Kagawa can come off the bench to pick holes in a tiring back line when we ramp up the pressure. While we can use Giggs for the final 10 mins in those pesky games away from home (against lower sides) with the match in the balance and we need a calm but wily head to make a chance. Once everyone is fit, we need to go back to our 4-4-2 type formation even if it means Kagawa gets left out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 Yeah, would be game for a side like that. Maybe Welbeck in for one of Cleverley or Anderson for some matches and move Rooney inside. Or Cleverley wide left and Rooney off RvP. Maybe explore the narrow, wingback focused tactics used against Newcastle a bit too. Kagawa obviously oozes quality but it seems as though games can pass him by too easily. Which is fine - it's easy to forget he's only 23 and was rather cheap by contemporary standards, so to be a player who's only effective against 70% of the league is completely acceptable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coldberg Posted September 30, 2012 Share Posted September 30, 2012 I don't like Lindegaard playing. I don't know what it is but there's just something about him which doesn't instil any confidence in me. DdG has his flaws but the only way they are going to get ironed out is if he plays & learns from his mistakes. Lindegaard has done nothing since joining the club to make me think he's anything other than average back up material. People will point to his run of clean sheets in his first run in the side but at the time I pointed out it was against weak teams who had very few shots & he had very little to do in those games. Last season we struggled early on when Ferguson rotated the GK position & look what's happening again this season. Rotating the goalie & we're shipping goals. The third goal yesterday was mainly Ferdinands fault for letting Defoe turn back inside but the parry from the Bale shot should've gone anywhere but straight out to the edge of the area. It's not simply a case of keeper rotation though. Obviously the back four isn't settled & hasn't been for a while now. This makes us more shaky than normal which is why the keeper needs to stay the same to give at least some semblance of stability. The defence is just as big an issue as midfield in my eyes. We've got Evra/Rio who are past their peaks. Vidic is an unknown now with his 8 month injury followed by this two months out after another operation. He's at an age where he's going to start declining soon too. Then you've got Evans who is basically the most reliable CB we have at the moment yet is still quite young & relatively inexperienced. Then there's obviously Smalling/Jones/Rafael who are all young & learning. We don't have a defender who can be relied on twice a week who is nearing or at the peak of their game. Evans did well enough last season but it was a sink or swim experience for him & luckily bar the odd game he didn't let himself down. Doesn't help that the main screen for our defence has been out for 10 months with illness & also cannot be relied on to stay fit/healthy. Fletcher gives cover & we've been missing it which also leads to leaking goals. So it's a combination of reasons more than it being a simple 'player x/y/z' isn't good enough. But Ferguson isn't helping matters by constantly messing about with the team. Oh yeah, Giggs shouldn't be starting any game where the result matters anymore. He doesn't have the strength or legs to justify his inclusion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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