mattycrewefc Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Hey Fuss when do you think u will be releasing this new version, can't get anythin workin atm. And do you think it cud work with sum1 like crewe my hometeam cant get 1 to work wid them this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoOSTAR Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Wowww FuSS, those results look amazing! can't wait to try it out! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 What match prep are you using fuss! 442 is definately the way forward for the new patch! I'm liking the 442, it's main weakness is against certain formations as opposed to strong teams. In my tests I did better against Man Utd than I did Brighton, because Brighton use a horrible 4-2-3-1 which 442s seem to struggle with. The real test will be Man City and Chelsea whom tend to this variations of that formation. Essentially any league where most of the opponents use 4-4-2 (i.e. all the english leagues), this will dominate easily. Against more unusual formations it may need tweaking. Hey Fuss when do you think u will be releasing this new version, can't get anythin workin atm. And do you think it cud work with sum1 like crewe my hometeam cant get 1 to work wid them this year. It uses a lot of roam and hold-up instructions up front to create movement, I don't think anybody outside of a top championship team would be comfortable pulling it off to be honest. I'm not going to test with anybody lesser than the likes of Wolves and Norwich as it seems the majority of tactic down-loaders tend to play that level of team or above. Wowww FuSS, those results look amazing! can't wait to try it out! The Beta I released a page or two back really is very similar to what I'm using now, give it a whirl. Gotta add the importance of friendlies in - lot's of easy friendlies pre-season to get used to the tactic is vital. A run of form is vital. Both these things can be generated in pre-season ready for the first league match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 gifts await those with clear vision... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoOSTAR Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 gifts await those with clear vision... Thanks! Will certainly try it and give some feedback if I see something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 It seems the 442 is really a powerful formation in this patch. This results are from my Stoke save in 2015, with the tactic I'm currently using (also a 442): I missed this from you Marce. I'd really appreciate any thoughts you have mate as your tweak of cotomonosity is still amongst my favourites. I'm having a little trouble defending set-pieces, it's never been my thing! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Honestly jimmy if u use it with united u wont be dissapointed, I am not real Madrid manager and have been destroying teams 3-4 nil, hardly ever conceed. It was really good defensively and in attack for qpr and it's unreal with a superior team! Give it ago as it is or with the 10notch def tweak either way it's unreal Can you give the new beta version a go, got a couple of defensive tweaks and I'd be really interested in any difference. Especially as you've had a massive amount of success with QPR with the first beta. Also - any problems with set pieces, and any observations/analysis stats on where u tend to concede from would be great! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Latest scalps Just had an awful performance against Villa, we won 2-1 but it was close. The first half they were the better team and went 1-0 up. This is because they used a 4-2-3-1 (Wide), which I've complained about before. For some reason they switched to 4-4-2 at half time and we came back to win comfortably. But I definitely need to look at combating 4-2-3-1's, it's a toughy. Ideas welcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serek Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 what's very interesting is that against solid build up teams (Liverpool/United) offside trap works best. Against fast winger team (Arsenal) turning the offside trap off works best!Tough one! Why not simply tweak the tactic on match to match basis? It's not only about offside trap too, using a DM could potentialy solve 4231 issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcelo Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 I missed this from you Marce.I'd really appreciate any thoughts you have mate as your tweak of cotomonosity is still amongst my favourites. I'm having a little trouble defending set-pieces, it's never been my thing! Hi Fuss, sent you a PM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Why not simply tweak the tactic on match to match basis? It's not only about offside trap too, using a DM could potentialy solve 4231 issues. While that definitely works and is something I always recommend and do in my personal games - we're aiming for the best 'plug and play' tactic for people to use with the least fuss possible, so as close as I can get to a one size fits all is great. I can always recommend situational tweaks later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Fuss, with your lastest victories against Arsenal and Blackburn did you choose the offside trap? Have you settled on that aspect of the tactic yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 19, 2012 Author Share Posted March 19, 2012 Fuss, with your lastest victories against Arsenal and Blackburn did you choose the offside trap? Have you settled on that aspect of the tactic yet? generally I'm keeping the offside trap - it's a case of being match aware, if you see a top player that's good at beating the offside trap beating it in the match engine (Tevez and Van Persie spring to mind), then turn it off! It's worth remembering that Wolves don't have the best defenders in the world either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 fuss, u use defensive positioning match prep? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 when do you think you will get the final thing out fuss? Edit** Nevermind, i hadn't refreshed and seen your latest comments! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Fuss Why don't you fight fire with fire and make an kick a** 4231 tactic? Seems to be a few of them about, but I have yet to use a successful one. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CK ck x Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 right second season im 2nd with qpr, played 18, the 9 at home i have won all of scoring 31 and conceeding 5, but the 8 away is wierd, obviously its harder away from home but i have won 3 drawn 2 and lost 3 scoring 8 and conceeding 9! any ideas or help fuss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 right second season im 2nd with qpr, played 18, the 9 at home i have won all of scoring 31 and conceeding 5, but the 8 away is wierd, obviously its harder away from home but i have won 3 drawn 2 and lost 3 scoring 8 and conceeding 9! any ideas or help fuss? You're rep is going to have massively increased due to your excellent first season - so other teams will now play against you accordingly (i.e. you'll now be treated as a big threat). So it's going to be harder, you'll need to strengthen your team quite a lot but also balance that with squad harmony. Which version are you using season 2? It could just be that the other version was better for you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sergiolagartija Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 starting a save with leicester using your beta version. standard pitch size, no OIs. own team talks. hope to battle for the title. should i use a DMC against 4-2-3-1? remove offside trap against teams with fast winger? i´ll keep on posting my results! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeordieTodger Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 just started using this tactic. I'm in my third season with a very successful NUFC side. I've won most things, if not everything, using Mr Hough's 4123 system but fancied a change. I have quality players all over the pitch so was wanting to refresh things and this seems to be doing it. I've only played 3 matches with the beta 442 tactic but I am destroying teams and it's actually really fun to watch. Great passing and great chasing down. As soon as the oppo get the ball my wingers and full backs seem to blast in to them, get the ball and start a counter attack. I've having 20 odd shots on goal. I have a very young side, using a Messi-esque re-gen up front who I got from Barcelona on a minimum release fee and he is on fire. Nice one! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jor-el321 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Really looking forward to giving this one a try. It would be nice to find a tactic that doesn't neccessarily have to sacrifice possession in order to create quick clear cut chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 starting a save with leicester using your beta version. standard pitch size, no OIs. own team talks. hope to battle for the title. should i use a DMC against 4-2-3-1? remove offside trap against teams with fast winger? i´ll keep on posting my results! Try it as is first (although can't remember which version I've upload to your guys!) I currently favour: D-Line of 10. Offside trap ON. Full-backs on Zonal marking with low crossing and mid through-balls. Those are the things I'm still messing with and would like opinions from others on. just started using this tactic. I'm in my third season with a very successful NUFC side. I've won most things, if not everything, using Mr Hough's 4123 system but fancied a change. I have quality players all over the pitch so was wanting to refresh things and this seems to be doing it. I've only played 3 matches with the beta 442 tactic but I am destroying teams and it's actually really fun to watch. Great passing and great chasing down. As soon as the oppo get the ball my wingers and full backs seem to blast in to them, get the ball and start a counter attack. I've having 20 odd shots on goal.I have a very young side, using a Messi-esque re-gen up front who I got from Barcelona on a minimum release fee and he is on fire. Nice one! Good to hear, I was using hough's tactic myself before deciding I wanted a 442. Really looking forward to giving this one a try. It would be nice to find a tactic that doesn't neccessarily have to sacrifice possession in order to create quick clear cut chances. I'm usually getting around 50% possession - and that's with Wolves against better team. With my super Norwich side in 2018 other teams are lucky to touch the balls, but that's a very extreme example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 FuSS when u gona to relase Final version ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 FuSS when u gona to relase Final version ? I'm replaying Man-City Away again and again trying to tweak the tactic and get consistent results. They are the hardest opposition for this tactic due to the quality of players, their creativity in finding space, and the fact that they use a tactical shape that is particular good against 442's. I can give them a very good game with wolves currently - which in fairness I should be happy with. But I cant beat them with anything more than the odd fluke. When I either succeed or admit that I just can't quite beat them with Wolves, then I'll release. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 Good Luck i hope you will realease it today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 FuSS i can send you my tackick from FM11 i have a lot of secuss whit it if u wana ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
julienmcfly Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 good luck :-) ur tactic will work for 12.2.1 version ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PL Tuck Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 I've been using this tactic for a couple of months ingame time now, and although the team is still not fluid in one or two areas (tempo and mentality both accomplished), this is the best looking tactic I've seen. At home I pretty much dominate everything. Away is a different story. Silly individual errors (from good players, eg Vertonghen) and an inablity to put the ball in the net (eg Cavani) means I havent yet had an away win in the League, though I havent lost many either. I's mainly draws. Bear in mind this is against teams like Swansea, Bolton and Everton, not Man City, Utd, Arse etc. The opposition, when at home, seem to score from 20-30 yds, or ordinary players will make a complete mug of my supposedly quality defender. I often have 10-15 shots on target with 3 or 4 CCCs, yet do not score. Its a little baffling. I have a quality team so I am giving it more time as it really does look fantastic in the match engine. I just cant quite work out why I cant be more effective away. If it starts looking like I'm not going to qualify for CL (6th in mid dec) I might start reverting to my 4231 away from home. I'm Tottenham and came 2nd in league last season, just getting pipped by City in the last 4 games. My current 1st choice XI is: Ter Stegen, Walker, Kaboul, Vertonghen, M'Bengue, Lennon, M'Vila, Modric, Bale, Cavani, Luuk De Jong Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nen Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 Uploaded with ImageShack.us great tactic. Objective zone medium, 10º. And I got up at first I like the tactic but against teams below cost me much and I lost one I would have served to win the league. for example, I lost the two games for Karlsruhe and at the end has dropped to third. Also with Dynamo Dresden and last out. I think those types of games are what really need to win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 21, 2012 Author Share Posted March 21, 2012 Think I've finally cracked it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CK ck x Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 u going to release it soon fuss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 So LINK Fuss ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jor-el321 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Looks good Fuss. Man City is always the acid test on this game it seems. Well done mate, look forward to testing it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luton Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 So LINK Fuss ? The link is on page 1. It's only a Beta tactic at the moment as Fuss is still testing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko44 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Any news concerning release, Fuss? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco77 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 amazing....although the name and title seems not attractive....however I just tried it with my bolton and beated ManU away 4-2. Alex Fugusion got sacked afterwards... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 amazing....although the name and title seems not attractive....however I just tried it with my bolton and beated ManU away 4-2. Alex Fugusion got sacked afterwards... can u link that tackick ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm really happy with the results against city and my tweaking. But I have to get more testing done and be careful that I haven't just invented some sort of anti-city tactic that isn't so good else where. It's the end of the financial year so I'm snowed under reviewing my staff's performances at work and completing next years budgets. I'll do what I can, but at the moment work comes first and is eating all my time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Good luck with everything in your private life Fuss! I know how it feels when work takes over! Take your time with the tactic...everything you've released has been great so far...test test away!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 muahahahahahahahahahaaahahah! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Quality stuff!!! I know that the screenshot is massively impressive but how is the defense holding up in general terms? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 Quality stuff!!! I know that the screenshot is massively impressive but how is the defense holding up in general terms? I've been tweaking through-out the season, and did some major overhauls on the tactic based on the man-city game. Beat Man City several times (replays to check it wasn't a fluke), then Spurs was the next game which went as above...so it;s looking solid, but early days to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 22, 2012 Author Share Posted March 22, 2012 I'm genuinely excited about tactics for the first time since making Coterminosity! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 If you've done some major overhauls it will be early days! Good luck with the rest of the testing...keep us updated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCapone Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Share Tackick hahahaah Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MetalHeroChris Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 Fuss, your dedication and all the hard work you put into your tactics is amazing. I am looking forward to your latest release. Thank you for getting me back into FM12. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco77 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 I tweaked abit. I change the ML/R to AML/R, the attacking increase without losing too weak defense behind. I am testing if I want 2 FW or 1 FW, 1 AMC combination. With my bolton (expect 15th), came 3rd in league, was in the final of CL only lost 2-1 to madrid to 2 C.Ronaldo goals (i came 4th last season with Bolton), won FA CUP beated Tottenham. N'Gog still my striker and I don't have any new players mad. I dont have Cananvi (the guy from Napoli), my best players costed me 2M only. A great Defensive corner can copy this: http://www.fm-thai.com/board/index.php?showtopic=109011 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vitoco77 Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Fuss, Can you have this new tac for us to try before the wkend?! Many thanks... I'm genuinely excited about tactics for the first time since making Coterminosity! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ua_anil Posted March 23, 2012 Share Posted March 23, 2012 Fuss, I'm waiting your new tactic to start a new career. I hope you can share it this weekend. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuSS Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 Go on then http://www.mediafire.com/?6upsu3pa3btng0j I'll release as far as I've currently got it, I'm going to be stupidly busy until April, so may as well give y'all something to play with for a couple of weeks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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