Barkermush Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 What's happened with Mills? I was flicking between the Man Utd/ Leicester game last night. I remember the commentators on Sky Sports saying, that he had not even travelled with the squad to Derby, and that when somebody tried asking Pearson about Mills in an earlier interview, they got a very blunt/angry response, that he didn't want to talk about him. They said, that no doubt more will come out over the days, as to what as happened with Mills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 He wasn't in the squad because SSL, Wes and Bamba are all better than him and he's rightfully been dropped down to being 4th choice centre-back on merit. Simple as that really. Sky were making a big thing about him not being in the squad, because they seem to think Mills is amazing and seem to think he should be an automatic starter for some reason. That said, his attitude has stunk all season and it does seem that if the rumours of him training with the reserves/youth team are true then he's probably crossed NP, who has never had much time for big egos, over something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkermush Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Ah ok, I thought something may have gone on with Mills off field, with the way they said Pearson reacated to the question last night. (I didn't see any of the pre-match) but yeah, it's probably Sky making a big deal over nothing. They did say something about him being down the pecking order last night (the commentators) and about how he must feel being the 4th choice CB at Leicester now, and even before Morgan came in he seemed to be 3rd choice for a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 i heard pearson was asked about why mills wasnt in the team and he said something like "because i didn't pick him" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroPhil Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Boro set to sign Jonjo Shelvey on loan after Carling Cup final Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkermush Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 i heard pearson was asked about why mills wasnt in the team and he said something like "because i didn't pick him" Ha, yeah they said it was a very blunt/curt response.. that was probably what he said. But they also said, I'm sure more will come out over the days, as to why Mills as not even travelled with the squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkermush Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Boro set to sign Jonjo Shelvey on loan after Carling Cup final Nice, he did well against us for Blackpool earlier in the season.. scored a good goal too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Holden Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Little bit surprised Liverpool are letting him go at this point, tbh. Thought they'd need him as backup? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilly_boro Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 I didn't think they'd let him go, but a great move for us. Any added creativity is a bonus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdyTaylor Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Glad we're getting our game with you out the way tomorrow then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoroPhil Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Nice, he did well against us for Blackpool earlier in the season.. scored a good goal too. he impressed and scored at our place as well, expected him to go back there if anywhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powlay Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 possibly another loan signing to come as well on moday with Jonjo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powlay Posted February 24, 2012 Author Share Posted February 24, 2012 Not especially, they just don't compare to Tomkins, Gorkss, Hobbs or Turner, maybe just below Pearce and Chester.Three of those four are probably the best players at their clubs and play for clubs with equal or better defensive records than 'boro. Turner is the exception. Defensive records count for very little and sides with good records dont always have the best defenders. As for the rest of your opinion, you're welcome to it. Its wrong but you're welcome to it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Very well argued Powlay I certainly prefer SCIAG's list to yours. But I don't think any of us can realistically evaluate any defenders who don't play for our own clubs based on at most 3 or 4 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 sides with good records dont always have the best defenders. No, but it helps. A lot. Hull aren't a defensive possession based side like Swansea, there's nothing extraordinarily defensive about them, they have an awful goalkeeper and they play Robert Koren in midfield, but they have an excellent defensive record. You're saying that that is unrelated to the quality of their centre backs? Reading went from having one of the worst defensive records in the league to keeping more clean sheets than any other club the moment they added Gorkss. Part of that is because we've been playing more defensively, but we've only been playing more defensively because we have the second best defender in the league so we're playing to our strengths. If we'd played like this with Khumalo in the side then we wouldn't be where we are. Middlesborough aren't a gung-ho attacking side, and your goalkeeper is better than Mannone. Despite that, you have only conceded one less goal than calamity Brighton. If your centre backs are the best in the division, they must be really off form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Re: Hull. I don't know about Chester, but Hobbs is class. Was also our player of the season when we made the play-offs under Pearson mk I, which was also built round a mean defence. He does need a leader alongside him though, always looked really nervy when he didn't have a fellow defender and always comes across as a really shy person in interviews etc. too, so he's not a great leader who will boss the defence or anything, but with a good leader beside him, which I assume Chester is, he does the simple things so well. His performance in the 1-0 victory at home to Cardiff at the end of 09/10 season. <3 Thinking about it actually selling Hobbs for £850k and signing Mills to replace him at £4.5-5.5mil must be the worst piece of transfer dealing we have ever made in our history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony85 Posted February 24, 2012 Share Posted February 24, 2012 Without really wanting to get into the debate about defenders too much as I don't really see too many other Championship sides play (I don't watch the highlights program or other live Championship games that don't involve Boro), that's an awfully misleading stat. For a start, Williams hasn't played at centre-back very often recently. I wouldn't say our defensive record is that bad either (joint 5th with Soton and West Ham) but it was up there with the best of them till our dip in form kicked in. Which arose due to a lot of injuries / suspensions in the centre of midfield. Particularly with Bailey missing which has meant that Williams has played a lot of games in midfield. You also make a point about the goalkeeper but we've had to use 3 different keepers since Christmas due to injuries. Like I said, I can't really comment on the other players, but it's hardly a fair reflection on the quality of either Bates or Williams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerChris Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Hobbs & Chester :') Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Standard liege! Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Our bench Ashdown, Academy players Webster and Harris , Benjani and Norris \o/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robterrace Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Forest Team today... Camp, Gunter, Elokobi, Chambers, Higginbottom, McCleary, Moussi, Guedioura, Reid, Tudgay, Blackstock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 round pegs in round holes, thats what i like to see Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 dexter blackstock in the starting line up at last!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 would rather have lynch vs zigic than chambers but hey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robterrace Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Forest Subs - Smith, Anderson, Lynch, Wootton, McGugan. 8 players unavailable due to injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sebs Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 this is the first game i've missed since ipswich away *prays omens* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Godamn! Fantastic set of scores so far. If these set of results stay as they are I'd actually start to think there is a slight, tiny chance we could make a last minute to the play-offs. Stop giving me hope! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 forest have now scored a quarter of all goals away sides have scored at St. Andrews all season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robterrace Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I need a lie down after that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richjb78 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I need a lie down after that. You should know we don't do it the easy way Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robterrace Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 You should know we don't do it the easy way Yep. I need alcohol and tranquilizers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master T Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Another great comeback by the 'pool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 What a result for Forest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robterrace Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Radio Nottingham made the last 15 minutes at St.Andrews sound like trench warfare. I think it was more than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 so happy for Dex, hope he can kick on now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Radio Nottingham made the last 15 minutes at St.Andrews sound like trench warfare. I think it was more than that. certainly sounded like we had a bit of luck in not conceding towards the end, i think we deserved it though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grff Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Radio Nottingham made the last 15 minutes at St.Andrews sound like trench warfare. I think it was more than that. I'm sure the ref cordoned off the halfway line with 15 minutes to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robterrace Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I'm sure the ref cordoned off the halfway line with 15 minutes to go.Possibly, although, its worthwhile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Another clean sheet 5 in a row now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 apparantly thats chris hughtons first ever home defeat in the championship too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
richjb78 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 certainly sounded like we had a bit of luck in not conceding towards the end, i think we deserved it though Yeah sounded like it. About time our luck changed a little though. Next 3 games are massive considering we have away fixtures at Derby, Leeds, Leicester and Palace after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Another clean sheet 5 in a row now. No goals conceded in February Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsheffreygreat Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Forest fluked it at the end but deserved it for the first half. You played us off the park ffs Where was all the hoofball I thought you guys played? Easily the best performance against us for the 70 minutes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnzy Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 We are going down, just no fight in us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cms186 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 tbf, since cotterill has been able to bring in some players ( albeit only on loan ) we've been playing a lot better, 3 crucial games coming up now, away at barnsley, then home to millwall and donny, if we keep up recent performances, that could be 9 poits there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 this is the first game i've missed since ipswich away *prays omens* Please don't miss anymore Back to back late winners at home. Our luck finally changing? Have to say today was one of the most boring games I've seen all season, we just couldn't break down Barnsley at all. They clearly came for a draw and got what they deserved, amazed at how unambitious they were against a team 2nd from bottom of the table tbh. They managed an impressive 3 shots in the first half (all long range) and none in the 2nd half, with a even more impressive 0 corners. Certainly made for boring viewing watching us utterly fail to break Barnsley down. Actually won 6 of our last 7 home games now. Only problem is we're beyond garbage away from home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjani'sBootCleaner Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Bit of a **** day at the office tbf, not even Donny conceding the last minute could make it better. Next 3 I'm writing off, Boro, Reading and Brighton. Then we can concentrate on the run in. We lacked everything today, Allen was a plus part, looked lively and tried to create but trying to create something with Ward, Futacs and Halford as your attacking options was never going to end well. That said though we were robbed of a penalty, one of those hands in the air, hits arm ones. Can't believe the officials didn't see it/deem it not to be a penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man11 Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Just having a look at a Barnsley forum and it seems they played SIX defenders today. Can't believe anybody would be so negative against us. Would be pretty furious at Keith Hill right now if I was a Barnsley fan tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Vessey Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 I suspect Golbourne for example was playing in midfield. You don't have to listen to his "comedy" interviews on Radio Sheffield all the time. Can't for the life of me see why some people find him entertaining. Just seems a pillock to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 Bit of a **** day at the office tbf' date=' not even Donny conceding the last minute could make it better. Next 3 I'm writing off, Boro, Reading and Brighton. Then we can concentrate on the run in. We lacked everything today, Allen was a plus part, looked lively and tried to create but trying to create something with Ward, Futacs and Halford as your attacking options was never going to end well. That said though we were robbed of a penalty, one of those hands in the air, hits arm ones. Can't believe the officials didn't see it/deem it not to be a penalty.[/quote'] How did we play today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjani'sBootCleaner Posted February 25, 2012 Share Posted February 25, 2012 How did we play today? Not the usual Leeds really, subdued, came really for a point which is odd. I guess that's Warnocks influence, I always liked watching leeds just attack and attack, it's what they are good at. You should of scored with the one on one, but neither team deserved to win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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