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Just wanted to give a bit of feedback on this tactic. Downloaded it last night and decided to start a low league game with Harrogate. And so far it has been a great success. It can be a bit hard to find players with the right attributes but other low league teams are just as weak so it doesn't seem to matter too much.

Managed to get about half a season played today and am currently sitting very comfortably at the top of the league!

The attacking is awesome, the crosses from the wingers are deadly and they seem to draw players out of position giving my strikers a bit more room to work in. Defence hasn't been a problem for me. I won my first 18 competitive matches before finally drawing, and even managed to go on a 7 game run where I didn't concede at all. Maybe I've just really lucky in defence?

Excellent tactic Mr Hough!

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Just wanted to give a bit of feedback on this tactic. Downloaded it last night and decided to start a low league game with Harrogate. And so far it has been a great success. It can be a bit hard to find players with the right attributes but other low league teams are just as weak so it doesn't seem to matter too much.

Managed to get about half a season played today and am currently sitting very comfortably at the top of the league!

The attacking is awesome, the crosses from the wingers are deadly and they seem to draw players out of position giving my strikers a bit more room to work in. Defence hasn't been a problem for me. I won my first 18 competitive matches before finally drawing, and even managed to go on a 7 game run where I didn't concede at all. Maybe I've just really lucky in defence?

Excellent tactic Mr Hough!

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Brillaint i'm glad it works for you, Clearly you have taken my advice and read the OP to undertand what type of players are required and got them players too.

Some people just use it and hope for the best, That isn't gonna work very good though.

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I haven't been posting that much lately purely because i wanted to work on my tactic with out any disruptions or people wanting it etc...

So i have been working on it and i think as i posted previously that i'm really really onto something here.

What i have really clicked into in the players positions as you set them on the pitch and there mentalitys, See i was always setting my wingers in the AMR AML position with high mentality for attacking, But This is great for attack but not good for defend because they where not tracking back and helping out even though they where on extreamly high closing down they still never tracked back because of the high mentlaity.

So what do you do, Move them into the MR ML position but leave the mentality the same so they still are very attacking but also because they are deeper they help in midfield and abit in defence. Genius!

Also having 2 MC or DM wasn't working as good as i liked becuase 2 CM's there was gaps between the defence and midfield and 2 DM's they where to close together so i now have 1 DM and 1 CM. Now i have my AMR and AML in the MR and ML position with very high closing down it protects the midfield you see wothout losing the attack.

I'll play a few more games and post screen shots of why i think this is the way forward.

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I haven't been posting that much lately purely because i wanted to work on my tactic with out any disruptions or people wanting it etc...

So i have been working on it and i think as i posted previously that i'm really really onto something here.

What i have really clicked into in the players positions as you set them on the pitch and there mentalitys, See i was always setting my wingers in the AMR AML position with high mentality for attacking, But This is great for attack but not good for defend because they where not tracking back and helping out even though they where on extreamly high closing down they still never tracked back because of the high mentlaity.

So what do you do, Move them into the MR ML position but leave the mentality the same so they still are very attacking but also because they are deeper they help in midfield and abit in defence. Genius!

Also having 2 MC or DM wasn't working as good as i liked becuase 2 CM's there was gaps between the defence and midfield and 2 DM's they where to close together so i now have 1 DM and 1 CM. Now i have my AMR and AML in the MR and ML position with very high closing down it protects the midfield you see wothout losing the attack.

I'll play a few more games and post screen shots of why i think this is the way forward.

İnteresting idea keep working :)

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I haven't been posting that much lately purely because i wanted to work on my tactic with out any disruptions or people wanting it etc...

So i have been working on it and i think as i posted previously that i'm really really onto something here.

What i have really clicked into in the players positions as you set them on the pitch and there mentalitys, See i was always setting my wingers in the AMR AML position with high mentality for attacking, But This is great for attack but not good for defend because they where not tracking back and helping out even though they where on extreamly high closing down they still never tracked back because of the high mentlaity.

So what do you do, Move them into the MR ML position but leave the mentality the same so they still are very attacking but also because they are deeper they help in midfield and abit in defence. Genius!

Also having 2 MC or DM wasn't working as good as i liked becuase 2 CM's there was gaps between the defence and midfield and 2 DM's they where to close together so i now have 1 DM and 1 CM. Now i have my AMR and AML in the MR and ML position with very high closing down it protects the midfield you see wothout losing the attack.

I'll play a few more games and post screen shots of why i think this is the way forward.

Really look forward to seeing your new tactic, despite the fact that the new patch is coming out very soon. Last chance to have a good save on 11.1

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Mr Hough

Great news!

But your better keeping quiet for a little while until you are ready to release the tactic, else you end up getting loads of silly posts again, along with the usual "when is the tactic being released" comments, over and over and over!

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So what do you do, Move them into the MR ML position but leave the mentality the same so they still are very attacking but also because they are deeper they help in midfield and abit in defence.

I'll play a few more games and post screen shots of why i think this is the way forward.

The only obvious drawback is that the wingers will be positioned deeper when you win the ball back. It is an astute observation however, and personaly I have always been a fan of playing players in deeper positions with higher mentalities rather than playing them in advanced positions and lower mentality (especially when it comes to DMs vs MCs). As I mentoned a few posts back I think there is real potential in the good old 4-4-2 wide diamond formation for FM '11, so it's good to see you're looking into something not too disimilar. Personaly I never got around to exploring this formation properly as I fell in love with 4-2-3-1, but the idea definately has some merit and your observations are spot on in my opinion.

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Hello Mr.Hough i would suggest you to try a 4-1-2-2-1 narrow(2 DC-2Wingbacks attacking mode for widh,1 dm 2mc 2amc and 1 striker) ,i played some matches with a weak team vs a bigger team and some strange things tend to happend with this strategy and i mean here about high posession and easy way out from defense usually bypassing the high pressure/closing down made by bigger teams,i think its brilliant tactic but it needs some tweaks because is too much exposed for overlaping fullbacks.Now i want to start a new season with Blackpool using this strategy,i am a fan of a smaller teams and satisffaction is much higher when having some good results with underdogs teams.My last season with blackpool(first season and with some signings)was a seven place in EPL and a FA cup using a tactic named 4-1-2-1-2 Park the plane V2 and a 4-4-2 wide diamond a little more offensive this one made by me.

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The only obvious drawback is that the wingers will be positioned deeper when you win the ball back. It is an astute observation however, and personaly I have always been a fan of playing players in deeper positions with higher mentalities rather than playing them in advanced positions and lower mentality (especially when it comes to DMs vs MCs). As I mentoned a few posts back I think there is real potential in the good old 4-4-2 wide diamond formation for FM '11, so it's good to see you're looking into something not too disimilar. Personaly I never got around to exploring this formation properly as I fell in love with 4-2-3-1, but the idea definately has some merit and your observations are spot on in my opinion.

Your right about the wingers positioned deeper, But because they are so attacking they only come deep when my team is not in possession.

I really really think that is the way forward on this years FM. Instead of having loads of players in attacking positions have them in a noice stable formation so that the defence is protected at all times, At the end of the day if the opposition don't score you don't lose!

Look at a 4-2-2-2 for example, There is no real stability in that formation because the wingers don't track back no matter how much you want and try and make them, So when the full back goes to close the winger a oppsotion striker moves into the fullbacks postions and it's easy for the oppsotion to create chances.

I have seen it in countless tactics i have tried to make with 2 AML AMR wingers.

It would be intresting to read what a Mod or someone with more experiance than me thinks about this.

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It'd be interesting to try Defensive Wingers on Attack in the ML MR positions.

who knows.

Yar, i remember that great taactic 4-1-4-1 with the bending arrows on the mr/ml and they were set to defending yet they played attacking and the tactic was amazing.

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hi, just reporting on results with this tactic. before i started using this tactic i finished 12th in EPL with birmingham. one full season with this tactic and i finished 3rd, also won the league cup. sometimes i found i had to switch mentality to 'balanced' instead of 'control', i'd also slow the tempo down if i found my team kept trying stupid quick passes and kept giving the ball away.

fantastic tactic, dont be afraid to tweak it if its really not going well in a game tho.

oh, worth mentioning i am just entering my fourth season with the team. i came third with the following team:

gk - ochoa

defence: ravzan rat, phil jones, geromel, lora

dm's: zucilini, jucilei, fossati, cairney (rotated)

am's: valdivia, kalou (larsson/mcfadden as backup)

strikers: neymar, fred (kadlec and zigic as backup).

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I never normally try downloading tactics, but FM11 has been driving me nuts. So i decided to make a fresh start using this with Everton, i've been getting some pretty good results with just 3 defeats and one draw so far. I've moved the 2 dmc's to mc's (same settings) and switched the style from control to standard.

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No i'm not gonna bother releasing anything till the 2nd Patch is out.

Still gonna make it 4-2-2-2? it's a beautiful formation and a lot of fun to play with. Plus you can edit it in many ways during game play that seems to make huge differences.

Using it for this season with Chelsea for a full season for the first time, third season. First season i used my own tactic won League and Carling Cup, half way through 2nd season switched to your tactic ended that season same winnings, but the team was playing on the whole better.

This season has been purely yours, i have to say thoughh i've got (due to the original formation i used being kinda similar) specialist players for each position, most have been having specialist training to compliment their position, and i've not been beaten in the league this season, four games remaining. I have drawn a lot though and that's why i haven't won the league yet, plus the opposition has been doing well too. I won the carling cup and am in the final of the FA cup, and am through to the semis of the C/L.

I think i've only lost 1 or 2 matches and one of those was the Community Sheild and i fielded a weak second team as i used it as part of my pre-season matches and not as the start of the season.

EDIT: Just finished the season UNBEATEN and they still don't ****ing mention it in the press. ****ing **** **** so annoying. Think of the real world reception Arsenal's unbeaten team got. Whose record i have incidentaly smashed to peices without any real acclaim either. >:[

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Just got back to back promotions from BSS to BSP to L2 with Braintree using this, Mr. Hough. Also won the FA Trophy in my second year and went pretty far both years in the FA Cup. Great tactic! Only lost 2 league games each year and drew a handful. The rest all wins!!

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has anybody just thought of looking at your players stats, thinking of the best position to put them in (which is usually stated), then picking a formation to suite? weird that a lot of people pin hopes to an outdated (classic?) tactic. sorry to burst the bubble of all you quick fix lazy people, but, IT DOESNT WORK! tactics only work when you have the right team, players and stats. there is no quick fix. GET OVER IT! stop being so lazy looking for a quick fix. there isnt one. thank god. otherwise the game would be dead boring. take over your team and look at your resources. there is no quick fix. if you have a team with great wingers then exploit that. if not then dont! its not rocket science. move on.

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Masticator...are you alright? Has the prescription run out?

It seems as though you have found a way to play the game for yourself, while others have found their own ways. Does it anger you that their ways are not your ways? Apparently, it does. Here's what you need to do. Stand up straight. I said staight, young lad. There you go. Now, spread your arms wide, far, far, out. Perfect. Now, wait for the hug that never came in your childhood. All will be better. I promise.

Now, that's all taken care of...how about you play the gane your way and let others do the same. And stick to voicing opinions when they're constructive, not nonsensical rants.

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has anybody just thought of looking at your players stats, thinking of the best position to put them in (which is usually stated), then picking a formation to suite? weird that a lot of people pin hopes to an outdated (classic?) tactic. sorry to burst the bubble of all you quick fix lazy people, but, IT DOESNT WORK! tactics only work when you have the right team, players and stats. there is no quick fix. GET OVER IT! stop being so lazy looking for a quick fix. there isnt one. thank god. otherwise the game would be dead boring. take over your team and look at your resources. there is no quick fix. if you have a team with great wingers then exploit that. if not then dont! its not rocket science. move on.

Out of curiosity, why would you think tactics saved in classic mode are outdated? First of all, shouts only make it easier to change certain things with a single click instead of manualy changing a variety of settings, they do not add any extra layer of tactical sophistication, so the "lazy" bit is a bit ironic. Secondly, the mentality frameworks used by the TC were made for much, much older versions of FM, they have been around for a long time, so the "outdated" bit makes no sense when you are refering to tactics and frameworks specifically created for FM '11, like this one. Thirdly, there are a lot of football styles that the TC cannot implement, and for wich you have to change the default settings.

Personaly, I have about 3 or more variations of a tactic saved in classic format, one for difficult away games, one for games against much weaker teams, and a standard/control one. I may use one or more of these tactics during a game, and because I watch my games in "extended" highlights, I manualy make small changes to the settings depending to what I see on the pitch. I see nothing outdated or lazy about that to be honest.

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The 2nd Patch has been out a few days now and thankfully i have had plenty of time to try a few things out.

Some of things i have noticed in the New patch is that the defence side is much more responsive and accurate really is good to watch my players tackle now instead of letting the opposition just run down the wing with the ball. I have also noticed that the strikers seem to take there chances better when in front of goal, I had countless times where my striker through on goal and would blaze it over or wide, This still happen but on less occasion which makes it more realistic to watch.

I will be releasing another tactic before Christmas, I don't want to say anything else other than that because i don't want to be pestered and have countless people asking for a release date. It will be before Christmas though so it's something to look forward too.

This new tactic will be a 4-1-3-2 with an ML and MR instead of a AML AMR, I much prefer this way, I have said why before but I'll refresh your memory abit.

The main reason i like this way is because of the defensive duties it seems to include , I think too many people are fixated on having a AMR and AML, I was the same till i moved them back and seen the benefits it can provide without much change to the attack.

Defensively my team is so much better because you have the MR ML running up and down instead of the fullbacks so if the opposition winger has the ball the MR or ML will go to close instead of the fullback, This helps the entire back 4 stay in formation and position hence making the defence more stable.

My MR and ML still have a very attacking mentality so they still create chances and attack at will, It's just the extra protection that is key here for me.

With the defence much more stable in 11.2 anyway it helps massivly.

I'll post some screens up of how i'm doing with Tottenham in a little bit.

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has anybody just thought of looking at your players stats, thinking of the best position to put them in (which is usually stated), then picking a formation to suite? weird that a lot of people pin hopes to an outdated (classic?) tactic. sorry to burst the bubble of all you quick fix lazy people, but, IT DOESNT WORK! tactics only work when you have the right team, players and stats. there is no quick fix. GET OVER IT! stop being so lazy looking for a quick fix. there isnt one. thank god. otherwise the game would be dead boring. take over your team and look at your resources. there is no quick fix. if you have a team with great wingers then exploit that. if not then dont! its not rocket science. move on.

Why would somebody come into a well known tacticians thread and start posting such drivel? Obviously a troll.

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The 2nd Patch has been out a few days now and thankfully i have had plenty of time to try a few things out.

Some of things i have noticed in the New patch is that the defence side is much more responsive and accurate really is good to watch my players tackle now instead of letting the opposition just run down the wing with the ball. I have also noticed that the strikers seem to take there chances better when in front of goal, I had countless times where my striker through on goal and would blaze it over or wide, This still happen but on less occasion which makes it more realistic to watch.

I will be releasing another tactic before Christmas, I don't want to say anything else other than that because i don't want to be pestered and have countless people asking for a release date. It will be before Christmas though so it's something to look forward too.

This new tactic will be a 4-1-3-2 with an ML and MR instead of a AML AMR, I much prefer this way, I have said why before but I'll refresh your memory abit.

The main reason i like this way is because of the defensive duties it seems to include , I think too many people are fixated on having a AMR and AML, I was the same till i moved them back and seen the benefits it can provide without much change to the attack.

Defensively my team is so much better because you have the MR ML running up and down instead of the fullbacks so if the opposition winger has the ball the MR or ML will go to close instead of the fullback, This helps the entire back 4 stay in formation and position hence making the defence more stable.

My MR and ML still have a very attacking mentality so they still create chances and attack at will, It's just the extra protection that is key here for me.

With the defence much more stable in 11.2 anyway it helps massivly.

I'll post some screens up of how i'm doing with Tottenham in a little bit.

A new patch? eh? I must have missed that.

off to have a look!

I just had a look and it's just a hotfix isn't it? No ME changes, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit- I just had another look and realised there was a patch 11.2 out, how on earth did I miss that!

Looking forward to testing out your new tactic.

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A new patch? eh? I must have missed that.

off to have a look!

I just had a look and it's just a hotfix isn't it? No ME changes, correct me if I'm wrong.

Edit- I just had another look and realised there was a patch 11.2 out, how on earth did I miss that!

Looking forward to testing out your new tactic.

Isn't it just another "hot fix" and not a patch? File name: fm2011v11.2.1_pc_patch

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Mr Hough, I assume you've looked at just setting AMLRs with more defensive mentalities to get the track-back you want while still playing up the pitch on offense?

If you haven't already, take a look at http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/238375-FM11-GHOST-TACTIC-Gorgeous-High-Possession-Let-Weak-Teams-Play-like-Barcelona as an example.

I don't think I fully understand what you lose with this approach although I suspect there must be some impact to how they go forward.

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Hello Mr Hough (and anybody who feel they can clarify)! Why are Heading and Jumping important stats for RB's and LB's in this tac? These positions in general have low or at least average ratings in these arears - which I gather is quite normal.

Mainly because of crosses. The AI tends to cross to far post, and you have a duel between your fullback and the opposite striker, your DC usualy doing... nothing ^^

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