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  1. Yes - potentially. Here is Athletico Madrid, playing a low Line of Engagement, Narrow Defensive Width, a Low Defensive Line, and somewhat urgent closing down (but very conservative tackling). Even though they regroup when they lose the ball, they don't give up passes over the top because the team regroups deep enough to dissuade their opponent from playing a long ball quickly. Because of the low Line of Engagement, they force teams to try to move the ball up the field slowly. The only reason this is successful is because of how they cut off passing lanes. If y
  2. If your opponent is playing conservative on defense, sitting back, not pressing aggressively, and generally parking the bus, then I find the best way to get penetrating passes is to play with an attacking mentality on very slow tempo with shorter passing and with your wingers / forward having a get forward often PI (either via their role or via you specifically setting that PI). By slowing down, the player on the ball will hold it longer, waiting to see if a team mate makes a run. Since they have time on the ball, they can wait, spot the run and try to make that penetrating pass. If
  3. I think a great point highlighted in this thread is that some instructions relate to the "Transition to Defend" phase while others relate to the "Defending" phase. "Transition to Defend" is the moment when your team loses the ball and your team is adjusting its mindset from Attack to Defend. "Defending" is considered after that transition moment has passed and both teams have adjusted to their new situation. How instructions relate to these different phases is somewhat made clear in how team tactics are divided among three sections. It is interesting there isn't a division betwee
  4. I can get 61% average possession over a season playing a "4-3-3" Man City recreation (with Man City) using a base formation of 2-3-2-2-1 and while I get lower than 61% against defensive teams who are good at keeping the ball in their own defensive third, the combination of formation, roles, duties and tactical instructions has squeezed those possession stats down. This linked thread below mirrors just about everything we've talked about above and in the linked thread although its hyper aggressive in pressing and tackling. Here's all details including the stats:
  5. Also, have the CF man mark their DM. This starts the CM further back and when he presses, he keeps the DM in his cover shadow.
  6. In theory, if your goal was to force the opponent to clear the ball long through pressure (rather than tackle and win he ball), than "Stay on Feet" might be logical but I have to agree that I haven't actually found it to be helpful in any situation other than when trying to avoid fouls.
  7. In addition to what's discussed in the linked thread, I've also found that using opposition instructions to force CDL/Rs and DML/Rs onto their inside foot (So right foot for L sided players) while forcing FBL/Rs onto their outside foot (So right foot for right sided player) helps to trap them in uncomfortable positions and increase the cover shadows to reduce passing options. Using your CMs to mark tightly can also help.
  8. I think you can build it with all the info I provided but here you go. Man City 4-1-2-2-1 Positive v2.fmf Man City 4-1-2-2-1 Very Defensive v2.fmf Don't forget to add the opposition instructions, which are not stored in a saved tactic.
  9. Here's a full season: Average Possession % climbed to 61%, which was spot on to the 61.2% real-life average. Average # Passes / Game also climbed to 639.8 (The math on that is 22126 / .91 / 38). This is still below the 674 / game but quite a bit closer. Average Passing Accuracy % increased to 91%, which is above the real-world average of 89%. Let's look more closely at this in terms of passing accuracy by player. Ederson's 91% was well above his real-word average of 86%. Stones (CDR) was spot on at 94% while Laporte (CDL) was lower at 91% than
  10. I've revised the tactic and gone through another season and I think It is pretty close! As a reminder, I outlined various real-world stats for Man City and the average position per player as the basis for what I wanted to emulate starting here: As I highlighted above, I really wanted to further improve the Average Possession % and Average Number of Passes / Game, which was significantly below City's real-world average. To do this, I improved both the offensive approach and the defensive approach. Offensively, my focus was on looking at ways to reduce the chance of me l
  11. I just wrapped up a full season. Let's compare to reality. 104 points broke the 2018-2019 title winning side's record for most points and wins in a season. 80 goals meant I had 2.1 goals / game, which was a bit below the 2.37 they averaged so far this season. 20 goals allowed meant I had .52 goals allowed / game, which is substantially lower than the 1.1 average. So it looks like I can be a bit more aggressive in order to get closer on this. I came in at 15.9 shots / game, which was a bit under the 18.6 they've averaged this season and matches up with the lower goals
  12. In-Match Adjustments When playing a defensive team that is hard to break down, I: Set mentality to Attacking Setting Passing Directness to Shorter Set Tempo to Extremely Low Change the WB-S to an WB-A Change the DM-D to a DM-S Change the IWB-D to an IWB-S When playing a team that presses aggressively (they could be playing anywhere from a Cautious to a Very Attacking Mentality, I: Set Tempo to Slightly Higher Set Dribbling to Dribble Less Watching the match, I'm looking to see that my players stop clearing the ball and instead try to
  13. I'd really love to hear suggestions on how to improve these further to get closer to the stats. I also think there are more "adjustments" based on in-game situations that we can standardize. I see many "I sometime change X" comments but I don't feel like we have a well known standard list to employ. But in addition to that, things to still work on for me include: Common variations of the 4-1-2-2-1, such as: The DM drops back to become the third man of the 3 man defense and the FBR pushes up more aggressive alongside the FBL Both FBs play narrow and both AML|Rs
  14. Hopefully, I've covered everything needed to create them in the above posts but here you go! Man City 4-1-2-2-1 Positive.fmf Man City 4-1-2-2-1 Very Defensive.fmf
  15. @Rashidi Thanks for jumping in. While trying to achieve what you are describing in past FM versions, I often felt like I could do it with balanced or positive. This year, it seems like the players play a bit more aggressive for what I want, which is to just keep the ball and only score if there's an obvious opportunity. Also, in past versions, it seemed like Ultra Defensive caused teams to get rid of the ball pretty quickly while this year they seem able to patiently move the ball around for extremely long stretches even under some degree of pressure. I'll go back and take another look
  16. So that's what I've been able to figure out so far but I'm not sure its the best and most accurate way to reflect what City do. Keeping in mind the quantitative stats, how else might you approach it?
  17. With the above, I can get the following kinds of results: I would say that it still remains challenging to consistently balance things in order to get both the desired # of total passes, passing accuracy, possession %, total shots and goals / game but this feels close. This game had 20 dribbles vs. the avg. 13.1.
  18. Closing Up Shop Formation If you watch City Play, you noticed that when they are winning, somewhere around the 60-70th minute, they get a little slower and a little less aggressive and start to ping the ball around endlessly. I think this is actually a pretty critical aspect of achieving their passing accuracy and possession percentages. To approach replicating this, I adapted the starting tactic to a City-version of shut up shop as follows: The positioning and roles are intended to spread the field and make it easier to move the ball around until time expires. Mentality
  19. As I mentioned, this thread contains so many different contributions to understanding City's tactics that it is hard include everyone but I'd like to point out a few sources that I think have had a big influence on my thinking as it relates to attempting re-creation in FM. @Rashidi created an example of Man City's play in the following tactical breakdown for FM19 that several others on this thread have referenced and I have personally found incredible useful: Likewise, this outstanding tactical analysis of City emphasizes a number of key points to consider (I'm not as sold
  20. First off, thank you to @HUNT3R, @el_tgv, @zyfon5, @Experienced Defender, @sporadicsmiles@Robson 07, @robot_skeleton, @KyleHyde, @Crazy_Ivan and @TheGoodRebel for the engagement and feedback. After consideration of the discussion and testing of numerous tactical instruction combinations, here's the best I've been able to come up with. PIs are as follows: CF, IF, W, Mez - Close Down More - Tackle Harder RPM - Move into Channels DM, WB, CDL, CDR, IWB - Take Fewer Risks --- There are numerous things here related to the larger tactic but
  21. @TheGoodRebel Thanks for pointing out that is often where the player ends up vs. where they start the attack phase. I agree that if the AM L|R end up more narrow than the opposing FB when transitioning from attack to defend, they can cut off the passing lane more easily than if they end up wider.
  22. I see your point and I can imagine how AML|Rs playing in the channels between CDs and FBs would help them more quickly position to take away those outside passing lanes. How to balance that with the well known Man City desire for at least one, if not both AML|R to get very wide when in possession? Would you say that playing with a more Narrow Attacking Width, combined with an AML|R role that instructs, or at least permits, the individual player to get wide allows more of a balance where the AML|R on the side that the ball is on may be wide but the player on the far side stays in the chan
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