Crazy Paving Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Although he has suffered a crutiate ligament injury he would be fit by the summer and would only be 32, however he has announced his retirement. This seems a little odd. If he was 34 or 35 then fair enough, but he is young enough to come back from this injury, and looking at his previous stats, even if he was half the player he would still be exceptional. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Anyone else had anything similar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWaRFeGa Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/281214-Players-Retiring-after-injuries-Merged Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRL88 Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Might have fancied kicking back with the wife and kids . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Is Messi as injury prone in this one as previous? I havent looked at his stats really at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 is that retiring from INTERNATIONAL or all football Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 What the hell? Why would he retire when he's still obviously producing at a high level. Ridiculous. Now I fear for any of my players getting a long term injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballhead Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I could see that happening. He is widely considered to be one of the greatest players ever and I think everyone expects him to keep producing at the highest level. If someone turned round to him and said "After this injury you will not be as good"; I'd suggest he'd retire having played the best football around for over a decade rather than become a bit part player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerpak Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 67 goals in a season does that say? have you been his manager? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rikulec Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 How the hell could he score 67 LEAGUE goals in one season?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 How the hell could he score 67 LEAGUE goals in one season?! I've seen players score more. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerpak Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 I've seen players score more. have you seen them score more than that in La Liga? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 What the hell? Why would he retire when he's still obviously producing at a high level.Ridiculous. Now I fear for any of my players getting a long term injury. i wouldnt worry, my 37 year old centre back missed 5 months of the previous season with a bad injury, he never retired, the chances of a player retiring are very very small. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 have you seen them score more than that in La Liga? Only in Italy. Macheda at 28 scored 71 goals for Juventus. - was in all competitions though. I think he scored 57 in Serie A Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 have you seen them score more than that in La Liga? On older FM's yes, seen people getting nearly 100 goals from Ronaldo in all competitions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Paving Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 Nope I wasn't his manager, he was EPIC at Barcelona. I'm Malaga and we've not been able to touch Barca because of Messi. He is retiring from all football, not just internationals so this is a real mystery to me as he is still world class. His injury history showed a lot of injuries through his career, 4 or 5 a season, so I'd say he is injury prone in my game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerpak Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 On older FM's yes, seen people getting nearly 100 goals from Ronaldo in all competitions. ok but thats in about 4 competitions though not just the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 ok but thats in about 4 competitions though not just the league On previous FM's people posted up a screen shot of Sanago scoring 91 goals in the league :| Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Paving Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 On older FM's yes, seen people getting nearly 100 goals from Ronaldo in all competitions. The season Messi got 67 in the league he was a bit rubbish in all other competitions and only scored 10 more. Still, 77 in a season isn't bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 His injury history showed a lot of injuries through his career, 4 or 5 a season, so I'd say he is injury prone in my game. That would maybe be the reason, i seem to remember him being very injury prone in older versions and his stats would dive by the time he was 31/32, i guess in this example he has decided enough is enough, shame he would still be amazing with those stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerpak Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Only in Italy. Macheda at 28 scored 71 goals for Juventus. - was in all competitions though. I think he scored 57 in Serie A if that happened to me i would have unistalled the game Macheda is not a 71 goal man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AcidBurn Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 ok but thats in about 4 competitions though not just the league There is also a Keirrison save where he scored 150 goals in all competitions, scoring that many then at least 70 of them would be in the league. I think the user was called Santy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerpak Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 On previous FM's people posted up a screen shot of Sanago scoring 91 goals in the league :| im sorry but that could only happen if theres cheating going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 if that happened to me i would have unistalled the game Macheda is not a 71 goal man! Still didn't win the league though But Macheda always turns out to be a beast in the game, he currently is at Numancia on my new save and he's scored 23 goals in 35 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranquelme Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 im sorry but that could only happen if theres cheating going on Nope it was a tactic which i tried out also, your team would just bang them in on a regular basis, I tried it with my Inter side and Eto'o scored 12 goals in 3 games - this was on fm11. I stopped using the tactic because it felt far too easy. It was a bizarre formation where you would also concede stupid goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Paving Posted December 8, 2011 Author Share Posted December 8, 2011 That would maybe be the reason, i seem to remember him being very injury prone in older versions and his stats would dive by the time he was 31/32, i guess in this example he has decided enough is enough, shame he would still be amazing with those stats. That could well be the reason, but he's still good enough in my game. I only took the Argentina job so I could work with Messi as there was no chance of buying him and I wasn't going to leave Malaga. Well, I had 2 games with him. Never mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerpak Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 Nope it was a tactic which i tried out also, your team would just bang them in on a regular basis, I tried it with my Inter side and Eto'o scored 12 goals in 3 games - this was on fm11. I stopped using the tactic because it felt far too easy. It was a bizarre formation where you would also concede stupid goals. this is all getting too much for me. i always have top strikers but never anything close to these Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim_Less Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Might have fancied kicking back with the wife and kids . with a wife like that i would too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nocuous Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Only in Italy. Macheda at 28 scored 71 goals for Juventus. - was in all competitions though. I think he scored 57 in Serie A If this is in FM12, then the Man Utd researcher should be absolutely ashamed of himself. I'm a Sampdoria fan, and I can say with good authority that Macheda is very average indeed. I'd give him -8 PA, or 150 if I had to give an exact figure. Judging from the stats, it seems he's got -10, which is ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silverboot81 Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 It would be nice to gather all these strange retirements together and post them on bug forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philwhitters Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 Not that strange, would have achieved everything, and it IS a terrible injury. Ok i'm not a pro, but 4 years later and i'm not back to playing properly, let alone to the same level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenzar Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 This seems as good a time as any. What exactly ARE the cruciate ligaments and why does damage to them cause such problems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Liam Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 On my game John Terry retired in the summer of 2012 from football completely, aged 31. He'd just broken his leg in a Euro 2012 game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimland Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Haven't seen many retirements due to injury on my save, but the amount of good young players that retire because they can't find a club is rather ridiculous. U-21 players from the bigger footballnations in the world shouldn't have that much trouble finding a club. Sometimes I think that many players highly overrate their own value and I find it rather messed up that they rather retire than play for some of the teams that come in from them. With all the clauses and contract opportunities most players that have been out of a club for awhile should be able to settle with a smaller team with a contract that allows them to move up the ladder rather freely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Some Guy! Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 This seems as good a time as any. What exactly ARE the cruciate ligaments and why does damage to them cause such problems? From my very basic understanding of knees, it is the ligament that keeps the top half of the knee in place with the bottom half. That is, its the connection of the femur to the tibia. With it torn it means that the knee can make movements that its not meant to. That is, it can rotate and slide across in ways it was not designed to do, causing further damage. Below is a diagram of the knee from wikipedia showing its location. Its size and location from what I know mean that it is hard to heal properly because in normal operation it comes under a lot of stress, so having it mend properly is of paramount importance, at least if you want to be back to how you were. For Messi, at 31 to do his ACL would be a disaster. Even if he recovered he'd be a shell of the player he was. Generally people don't heal as well as they get older and so even if he came back it would take a lot of time to get his sharpness back, both in terms of acceleration, speed, agility and most importantly balance. These are 3 attributes that without, Messi would not be the player he was. In truth I wouldn't be surprised if a 31 year old Messi decided to retire at 31 having done his ACL. Its also worth noting that some injuries can recur if such activities are performed again and maybe the ageing Messi didn't want to cripple his knee by doing his ACL for a second time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Crazy Paving I'm guessing you've never had knee ligament damage. Sometimes one injury like that is enough to end someone's career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
czerpak Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I snapped my patella tendon in my left knee. quite a similiar injury n i haven played in 3 years after physion etc it still causes me alot of pain so i would call myself retired due to injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Campbell1892 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 The odd thing is, from what i can tell, messi hardly ever gets injured in real life considering the beatings opposing players try to impose on him, so i dont think he shouldnt be so injury prone.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aderow Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 The odd thing is, from what i can tell, messi hardly ever gets injured in real life considering the beatings opposing players try to impose on him, so i dont think he shouldnt be so injury prone.... I've always have had an issue with how injury prone messi in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingHaysey Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Scott Parker just retired at the start of my second season, hes 31 years old.... :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_macleod Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Scott Parker just retired at the start of my second season, hes 31 years old.... :confused: and injury prone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Paving Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 Crazy Paving I'm guessing you've never had knee ligament damage. Sometimes one injury like that is enough to end someone's career. Thankfully I've not, but I'm sure that isn't a prerequisite to be able to comment on a 31 year old player retiring in a computer game? He was fit for the Copa America prior to his retirement and after a couple of games where he lacked sharpness, he was still rated 5 stars and performed well. So he wasn't too concerned about playing again? Sorry but players do come back after crutiate ligament injuries, even at 30/31. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 The odd thing is, from what i can tell, messi hardly ever gets injured in real life considering the beatings opposing players try to impose on him, so i dont think he shouldnt be so injury prone.... The last couple of years yes, but previous Messi used to drop with injuries all the time, he was very injury prone until Barca hired people just to work on his fitness and developed special training programmes that help keep him fit for longer periods. They spend a lot of money making sure he can make it onto the pitch for every game possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batu7 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 It's kinda funny that he's optimistic for the future, and plans to retire in a short time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
liamstack151 Posted December 13, 2011 Share Posted December 13, 2011 In my game Mario Balotelli got injured with knee tendonitis in 2015 for 4 months and his stats have taken a massive hit, he is now what I would consider to be a decent Championship player, he has been released by Man City and hasnt been picked up yet by anyone, so maybe he will retire. Steven Gerrard in my game also had quite bad stats after an injury at the start of game (or thereabouts) and retired pretty quickly and has been a youth coach ever since. All in all its pretty realistic I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Paving Posted December 13, 2011 Author Share Posted December 13, 2011 In my game Mario Balotelli got injured with knee tendonitis in 2015 for 4 months and his stats have taken a massive hit, he is now what I would consider to be a decent Championship player, he has been released by Man City and hasnt been picked up yet by anyone, so maybe he will retire. Steven Gerrard in my game also had quite bad stats after an injury at the start of game (or thereabouts) and retired pretty quickly and has been a youth coach ever since. All in all its pretty realistic I think. If the injury affects their stats then I would agree with that, however in my game Messi was just as good, he lost 1 off his pace but all his other stats stayed as they were. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sassafras Posted December 14, 2011 Share Posted December 14, 2011 Probably fed up with winning everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGP Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 i feel like we should be able to talk the press and try and convince players not to retire in situations like this. i was all set to scoop up andres lindergaard on a free after he had been out of work for 6 months when he announced his retirement at 30. i could only offer him a staff contract after that despite the fact he would go on trial with me. i wanted to be able to tell him he was still really good and should keep playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonshine Posted December 15, 2011 Share Posted December 15, 2011 It doesn't matter how good you are, or will continue to be, its about health. Realitically, if you were bloody good at football, but it hurt like a bitch all game, would you play? Or if there was a chance of excruciating pain if you slipped? No. No you wouldn't Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 i can top that. some guy who is unclickable (probably a grey) has retired EIGHTEEN? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankchickens1 Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 how can you cope without capital letters in your name? Im getting tetchy just looking at it (I do however respect the fact that having bought the game you are entirely free to type your name in lower case if you so desire) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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