FM12 Holiday Project 1: England, 200+ Years Already Done

**roversawh7** · 29-10-2011 01:38

Just like in FM2011, I will be doing a number of holiday saves this version to see how drastically things change in the future and to see if I can beat my previous marks. I was going to wait before posting information on my first game, but I got pre-empted by another user today, so I am showing one picture. I will be doing a more full update later:

It looks like the AI was first in completing dafuge's challenge this year.

**0gris** · 29-10-2011 01:43

Who the heck are hendon? That's crazy.

**vurogj** · 29-10-2011 05:41

So in a spread of 36 years, the same 4 teams take up 89 of the possible 108 top three places. That seems a little stagnant to me.

Table excluding the big 4.
Man City = 8
Hendon = 7
Millwall = 2
Colwyn Bay = 1
Swansea = 1

**roversawh7** · 30-10-2011 00:41

The top teams have been pretty tough to break up, although Chelsea did get themselves relegated.

International competitions seem to be a bit more chaotic in this game.

Arena seems to be the preferred title for new stadiums, with Chelsea naming theirs after Torres, Arsenal after Wilshere, and Liverpool after Gerrard.

**lovenkrands01** · 30-10-2011 01:00

Originally Posted by roversawh7

The top teams have been pretty tough to break up, although Chelsea did get themselves relegated.

International competitions seem to be a bit more chaotic in this game.

Arena seems to be the preferred title for new stadiums, with Chelsea naming theirs after Torres, Arsenal after Wilshere, and Liverpool after Gerrard.

Oh dear.....

**Krald** · 30-10-2011 01:31

I'm a bit dissapointed to still see so much of the "big" teams there

but seeing Hendon almost makes up for it, can we know more about this future hendon? like their stadium facilities and the value of their players?

**Wiitastic** · 30-10-2011 02:15

Hendon in Blue Square South, value of 12k.

Semi-Professional club in my game 2nd season 2012/2013

Season ticket holders = 15.

Has the OP increased their reputation & finances because this seems unlikely despite it being 200 years in the future

**goldtiger0** · 30-10-2011 03:29

Can you post the world players of the year and other player related facts and figures?

**VonBlade** · 30-10-2011 13:51

That's fairly ridiculous. If you look back over the history of the real 1st Division/EPL it isn't remotely that stagnant.
Thankfully in real-life reputation doesn't have such a sledgehammer effect and results actually vary. Which is why watching Football is a national obsession and watching FM isn't

My only question is can you check to see if Hendons Min/Max/Ave attendance are still at BSP levels please. It's one of the things that never updates in older versions and I'm hoping it's been fixed.

**RTC** · 30-10-2011 13:57

How are Matlock doing in this game and how did Ross Hannah do ?

**AcidBurn** · 30-10-2011 14:27

Originally Posted by Wiitastic

Hendon in Blue Square South, value of 12k.

Semi-Professional club in my game 2nd season 2012/2013

Season ticket holders = 15.

Has the OP increased their reputation & finances because this seems unlikely despite it being 200 years in the future

It can happen on FM11 I holidayed to 2121 and Bromley were a top 6 EPL side and they had been in the EPL for 50 seasons.

**Krald** · 31-10-2011 02:27

Yeah, I think it's awesome when it happens to be honest, I love fairytale footballing stories like that, of teams climbing the leagues. And what's to say what football will be like in 100 or 200 years? maybe there wont even be an english league anymore, and if there is, it might have say Norwich being the new barcelona, and Stockport having taken the place of Manchester United/City amongst the top teams.

**phnompenhandy** · 31-10-2011 03:11

Originally Posted by AcidBurn

It can happen on FM11 I holidayed to 2121 and Bromley were a top 6 EPL side and they had been in the EPL for 50 seasons.

Why does this happen? Is it because most of the non-league clubs' with have 0 for all chairman attributes and therefore one or two will win the lottery of throwing up a sugar daddy?

**nick1408** · 31-10-2011 08:33

wow, If I knew you were doing this I would have asked if you could add the A-League as I would like to see how the reputation works out in Asia.

**viiralx** · 31-10-2011 08:36

Originally Posted by phnompenhandy

Why does this happen? Is it because most of the non-league clubs' with have 0 for all chairman attributes and therefore one or two will win the lottery of throwing up a sugar daddy?

Why is it so hard to believe that a lower division/non league club can win EPL within 200 years?

**roversawh7** · 02-11-2011 04:26

Every holiday game I have run has had plenty of changes creeping in within 100 years. Teams can make the jump all the way up the pyramid even without too much help.

There is a reason the thread is titled Holiday Project 1 as this is the first of many holiday games that I plan on running over the course of the year. An Asian country will definitely be one, although it will probably be one of the smaller ones like Singapore.

Here are some screenshots from the year 2300:

**roversawh7** · 02-11-2011 04:27

**roversawh7** · 02-11-2011 04:28

**roversawh7** · 11-11-2011 03:45

Welcome to the year 2400:

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**roversawh7** · 18-11-2011 04:03

Here is the latest update from the year 2500:

**roversawh7** · 18-11-2011 04:03

**roversawh7** · 18-11-2011 04:04

**Liniert** · 18-11-2011 04:50

Is there anyway to make the pictures show up in full size? they are far too small to read to me

**Bradley21** · 18-11-2011 05:44

Can't believe Canada won the world cup

**nzg** · 18-11-2011 07:02

Liniert, just copy the link and paste it into a new tab.

**Osmium** · 18-11-2011 07:11

JOKES i like in hendon

**Osmium** · 18-11-2011 07:11

live in hendon

**Jimmy_Jambo** · 18-11-2011 08:39

Thats interesting to see the major clubs (aside from Chelsea it seems) stay EPL title contenders through the game.

AV, Wolves, Blackburn, Wigan, Birmingham seem to go off the radar and then pop a head back up (AV is the main one i noticed go to the BSP then baack to the EPL). Strange...

**Al_Pacino** · 18-11-2011 11:10

What size is Liverpool's stadium? I just seen a record attendance in excess of 100,000

**jdrawmer** · 18-11-2011 11:21

A fascinating little experience! I used to do this with the old school CM games (not to this level though).

Good work.

In all honesty, SI's guess is as good as ours with regards to what might happen in world football 400 years on, and the results don't seem ridiculous by any means

**cafcrocky** · 18-11-2011 16:03

Gutted to see Hendon relegated out of the league! Nothing lasts forever...

**Cougar2010** · 18-11-2011 16:46

Originally Posted by Jimmy_Jambo

Thats interesting to see the major clubs (aside from Chelsea it seems) stay EPL title contenders through the game.

AV, Wolves, Blackburn, Wigan, Birmingham seem to go off the radar and then pop a head back up (AV is the main one i noticed go to the BSP then baack to the EPL). Strange...

Its not really a surprise despite what others have said earlier in the thread.

In real life the gulf between rich & poor clubs has been getting larger recently and its only going to continue unless we see major changes within the game.

**ww-fc-4-life** · 18-11-2011 18:57

Any chance of the save being uploaded?

**Fookison** · 18-11-2011 19:29

Originally Posted by Bradley21

Can't believe Canada won the world cup

Global Warming means less ice available for ice hockey and more time to improve on football skills!!!!

**roversawh7** · 19-11-2011 03:18

I will do links of the screenshots for people who cannot see them. It seems to be a recent change to the forum software and is extremely annoying for other threads as well.

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/2779/2500bsn.jpg
http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/3046/2500bsp.jpg
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/5950/2500bss.jpg
http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3...0champship.jpg
http://img710.imageshack.us/img710/8892/2500compet.jpg
http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7...0leagueone.jpg
http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/9...0leaguetwo.jpg
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/7...00natcoeff.jpg
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/7347/2500prem.jpg
http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/8967/2500rich.jpg
http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/6999/2500trans.jpg
http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/7456/2500winners.jpg

Liverpool has a 120000+ seat stadium named after Gerrard. I think I mentioned elsewhere that Chelsea have one named after Torres and Arsenal after Wilshire.

Saves will be uploaded in the future as I go further.

**Ratboy** · 19-11-2011 03:47

400 years into it and still Scotland have won nothing.

**Weden** · 19-11-2011 06:35

This is absolutely fascinating. I'm sure SI would appreciate a copy of your save game too

A bit of a shame to see so many of the same hosts, but still. Great work!

Any chance of you doing this with every league in the world turned on to full detail?

**Russell Spooner** · 29-11-2011 17:38

Originally Posted by Ratboy

400 years into it and still Scotland have won nothing.

I guess SI got this damn near as realistic as possible then

**evertonmarc** · 29-11-2011 17:58

Originally Posted by roversawh7

Arena seems to be the preferred title for new stadiums, with Chelsea naming theirs after Torres,

The Big flop Arena?

**roversawh7** · 01-12-2011 05:50

There will other holiday projects in the future that have more and different leagues loaded. That is why the title of this thread is Holiday Project 1!

The Big Flop Arena sounds like a great name. Chelsea finally moved out of it in the 2500s though.

Here is the 2600 update with a couple of bonus screenshots showing the craziness that can happen due to the new feature that simulates all available leagues:

**roversawh7** · 01-12-2011 05:51

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**roversawh7** · 01-12-2011 05:52

Here are the links due to stupid forum software:
http://url97.imageshack.us/url97/2375/2600wc.jpg
http://url28.imageshack.us/url28/1629/2600euro.jpg
http://url231.imageshack.us/url231/51/2600compet.jpg
http://url685.imageshack.us/url685/5...00natcoeff.jpg
http://url585.imageshack.us/url585/9808/2600prem.jpg
http://url20.imageshack.us/url20/8473/2600champship.jpg
http://url593.imageshack.us/url593/9...0leagueone.jpg
http://url193.imageshack.us/url193/5...0leaguetwo.jpg
http://url827.imageshack.us/url827/7748/2600bsp.jpg
http://url97.imageshack.us/url97/6479/2600bsn.jpg
http://url827.imageshack.us/url827/1645/2600bss.jpg
http://url36.imageshack.us/url36/5267/2600teamcoeff.jpg
http://url411.imageshack.us/url411/6745/2600rich.jpg
http://url811.imageshack.us/url811/1326/2600trans.jpg
http://url847.imageshack.us/url847/4628/2600spl.jpg
http://url828.imageshack.us/url828/2...eredivisie.jpg

**Mafino** · 01-12-2011 19:37

Originally Posted by Wiitastic

Hendon in Blue Square South, value of 12k.

Semi-Professional club in my game 2nd season 2012/2013

Season ticket holders = 15.

Has the OP increased their reputation & finances because this seems unlikely despite it being 200 years in the future

#

Well, it is 200 years so yes that is perfectly plausible. Look how much football has changed in 10 years let alone 200.

**roversawh7** · 07-12-2011 02:54

Here is the first save from the year 2300:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VI5QPVSG

WARNING!
You must make sure that the option to save the game in a compressed format is selected. The file is too large to save in an uncompressed file and will not reopen if you do so.

Feel free to link this up elsewhere as long as you properly attribute credit and do not attempt to claim it as your own.

**RTC** · 07-12-2011 09:09

How are Matlock Town doing in this save and what's there past ?

**Crispypaul** · 07-12-2011 13:18

Dorchester in the Premier League! \o/

**VonBlade** · 07-12-2011 13:28

I loved the fact Cambridge had two stints in the EPL and didn't win a game for 3/4s of it.

**roversawh7** · 14-12-2011 02:46

Here is the update from the year 2700:

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**roversawh7** · 14-12-2011 02:47

**SuperManager** · 14-12-2011 10:16

The bit I love the best about this thread is the reputation screenies, especially the leagues. Welsh Premier on 3 stars! Also, I think Corbett Sports has gone for a pretty long term deal with sponsorship there!

**Mikal** · 14-12-2011 10:36

I'd love to see some player screenies!

**Wallachian** · 14-12-2011 15:53

Would you post if possible the 2700 Save ? Or the new one that you have ? It would be so great !

**longtimefan** · 15-12-2011 02:00

Holland certainly doesn't get much love in your game. I believe I counted only five World Cups and maybe two European Championships. The Eredivisie also rates below smaller countries in reputation/population/economy.

**roversawh7** · 19-12-2011 02:49

Here is the save from the year 2400:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=DMAGWM1A

Remember that the save must be played compressed.

**sthptngomad76** · 19-12-2011 10:59

Loving the thread.

Out of curiosity, are you running some kind of expanded England league file (eg down to Level 8)? I'm noticing some interesting sides being promoted to the playable leagues (eg Met Police). If this is not the case, I can assume that FM has finally got rid of the restriction with only teams in the division below the lowest playable division (eg NPL/Southern PL/Isth PL if you're running down to BSN/S) being able to be promoted...

**roversawh7** · 24-12-2011 23:55

There are no editor files in use.

Here is the 2800 update:

**roversawh7** · 24-12-2011 23:55

**roversawh7** · 24-12-2011 23:56

**urquhart** · 25-12-2011 00:18

Any chance you could post up the list of richest clubs in the world and Leeds United trophy cabinet? How bigs the save file after 800 years?

**roversawh7** · 30-12-2011 02:55

Here is the save from the year 2500:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=RU9NZFF8

Remember to use the compress file setting!

There may be a Holiday Project 2 thread coming soon...

**criztano** · 30-12-2011 07:44

Wow, the old firm no longer title challengers? Could we see the champions league, europa league and fa cup winners?

**roversawh7** · 09-01-2012 05:54

Here are some screenshots form 2900:

**roversawh7** · 09-01-2012 05:55

**roversawh7** · 09-01-2012 05:55

**g00n** · 09-01-2012 08:29

Quite the demise for Tooting & Mitcham there - low mid table Championship in 2800, relegated from Blue Square Bet South in 2900.

**sthptngomad76** · 09-01-2012 11:39

Bring on the year 3000...

**nine_iron** · 09-01-2012 12:17

I doubt people will still be playing football then...

What kind of PC do you have and why are you punishing it so? must have some pretty UBER specs!

**Knight Rider** · 11-01-2012 09:23

Epic thread, Shame to see "top 6" prem teams never really leaving premiership. Villa have a varied life every 100 years going from top 2 divisions to bottom 2 then vice versa.

Any chance of including champions league and europa league past winners in next one.

keep up the good work.

**roversawh7** · 18-01-2012 02:43

3000 will be on its way soon.

My compuer is not really being punished at all. Very few things in the game take up multiple cores. It takes about 75 minutes to run a typical year.

Some of those top 6 teams have been relegated before but they do seem to make it back up in time for these updates.

Here is the save from 2600:
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=X4500ZM0

Has anyone tried playing one of these yet? I am interested to see how the add/remove leagues feature turns out far into the future.

**nine_iron** · 18-01-2012 06:34

75 mins, that works out at like 1 solid month of PC time to get to 2600! Based on the average 400W PSU a PC uses a unit of electricity every 2.5 hours. An average unit cost is about 13p, thats £1.25 a day, so the cost of the project up to around 2600 is ~£37.5 (based on these numbers).

The more powerful your PC the higher the cost will be, I have based those calculations on the average home PC.

* Edit, yes I can do maths before breakfast!

**SuperMeppen** · 18-01-2012 14:29

Originally Posted by Knight Rider

Epic thread, Shame to see "top 6" prem teams never really leaving premiership. Villa have a varied life every 100 years going from top 2 divisions to bottom 2 then vice versa.

I guess their reputation never really falls enough to mean they can't sign good players.

Originally Posted by nine_iron

75 mins, that works out at like 1 solid month of PC time to get to 2600! Based on the average 400W PSU a PC uses a unit of electricity every 2.5 hours. An average unit cost is about 13p, thats £1.25 a day, so the cost of the project up to around 2600 is ~£37.5 (based on these numbers).

The more powerful your PC the higher the cost will be, I have based those calculations on the average home PC.

* Edit, yes I can do maths before breakfast!

Don't say things like that, it might stop him from continuing!

**roversawh7** · 20-01-2012 02:57

I generally only holiday during times I would have my computer on for other task anyways. Also, we are not in the same country so your model assumptions are a little bit off. Entertaining calculation though.

**Billy Bob Bobertson** · 20-01-2012 15:30

Is it even remotely possible to get these save games now that MegaUpload.com has gone down?
Anyone know of any other future saves? Even as near as 15 years from now? (my machine is way too slow)

**Nick134** · 21-01-2012 15:41

I would love to see some of the Champions League/Europa winners? Can you post some of these up please!

**roversawh7** · 24-01-2012 05:37

I will upload the saves again when I have a new site. Here are some screenshots from the year 3000:

**roversawh7** · 24-01-2012 05:38

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**Wolves4Lfe** · 24-01-2012 13:35

Anyway of uploading this to a different site as you might know Megaupload got shut down

**Patone** · 28-01-2012 09:28

1000 years of football and my Southampton never seem to leave the top two tiers

**roversawh7** · 07-02-2012 03:06

I am still looking for the right site to upload. Here is the 3100 update:

**roversawh7** · 07-02-2012 03:06

**roversawh7** · 07-02-2012 03:07

**sthptngomad76** · 07-02-2012 05:42

Do Man Utd ever drop out of the top division?

**Pinkara** · 09-02-2012 14:26

Mate could you post history of competitions for Serbia, Croatia, Bosnia? Just like you did with England and Wales.
And i need to say this is briliant, good job. cheers.

**klasing** · 09-02-2012 18:13

Pop it on Rapidshare

**Orthodox** · 10-02-2012 18:04

Great idea man, thanks for interesting pictures.

If you be so kind to post ss from Serbian First League - history its would be great.

Thanks

**scott MUFC** · 10-02-2012 22:43

i have got some crazy ones and i'm only in 2014/15.
is that premier league half filled with current blue square teams?

**Gambit** · 10-02-2012 23:35

Why does Quatar get the World Cup so often?

**telV7** · 11-02-2012 00:03

Good to see Cheltenham made it back in to league one

**Carmi88** · 11-02-2012 00:07

Originally Posted by Gambit

Why does Quatar get the World Cup so often?

bribery and corruption

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