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FM12: Under 21's With Fixed PA 160+ & -9's & 10's ***SPOILERS***


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Aaron Ramsey - Arsenal

-9

Anass Achahbar - Feyenoord

Adryan - Flamengo

Nathan Ake - Chelsea

David Alaba - FC Bayern

Alphonse Areola - PSG

Jordan Ayew - Marseille

Ross Barkley - Everton

Borja - At Madrid B

Dedryck Boyata - Man City

Laurentiu Branescu - Juventus

Bruma - Sporting Lisbon

Jack Butland - Birmingham

Adam Campbell - Newcastle

Emre Can - FC Bayern

Luc Castaignos - Inter Milan

Nathaniel Chalobah - Chelsea

Alex Chamberlain - Arsenal

Amato Ciciretti - Roma

Tolga Cigerci - Wolfsburg

Francis Coquelin - Arsenal

Robbie Cotton - Blackburn

Souleymane Coulibaly - Tottenham

Thibaut Courtois - Chelsea

Lorenzo Crisetig - Inter Milan

Muhammed Demirci - Besiktas

Denis - Man City

Gerard Deulofeu - Barcelona

Jean Marie Dongou - Barcelona

Alan Dzagoev - CSKA Moscow

Stephan El Shaaraway - AC Milan

Christian Eriksen - Ajax

Fabio - Man Utd

Felipe Anderson - Santos

Facundo Ferreyra - Banfield

Carlos Fierro - CD Guadalajara

Tobias Figueiredo - Sporting Lisbon

Antoine Griezmann - Real Sociedad

Felipe Gutierrez - Universidad Catolica

Fabian Himcinschi - Empoli

Tiago Iiori - Sporting Lisbon

Isco - Malaga

Zeli Ismail - Wolves

Juan Iturbe - Porto

Jano - Spartak Moscow

Jese - Real Madrid

Juanmi - Malaga

Vaclav Kadlec - Sparta Prague

Gael Kakuta - Chelsea

Tomas Kalas - Chelsea

Ricardo Kishna - Ajax

Mateo Kovacic - Dinamo

Nika Kvekveskiri - Dinamo Tbilisi

Zakaria Labyad - PSV

Erik Lamela - Roma

Leandro - Gremio

Chung-Yong Lee - Bolton

Luis Guilherme - Botafogo

Romelu Lukaku - Chelsea

Josh McEachran - Chelsea

Roderick Miranda - Benfica

Ravel Morrison - Man Utd

Iker Muniain - Athletic Club

Marc Muniesa - Barcelona

Lenny Nangis - Caen

Nelson Oliveira - Benfica

Mbaya Niang - Caen

Hervin Ongenda - PSG

Kyriakos Papadopoulos - Schalke

Tomas Podstaski - Porto

Paul Pogba - Man Utd

Diego Polenta - Genoa

Andy Polo - Universitario Deportes

Giuseppe Prestia - Palermo

Bryan Rabello - Colo Colo

Rafinha - Barcelona

Roberto Firmino - Hoffenheim

Jack Robinson - Liverpool

Romario - Vitoria

Daniele Rugani - Empoli

Yaya Sanogo - Auxerre

Pablo Sarabia - Getafe

Andre Schurrle - Bayer Leverkusen

Xherdan Shaqiri - Basel

Gylfi Sigurdsson - Hoffenheim

Heung-Min Son - Hamburg

Raheem Sterling - Liverpool

Daniel Sturridge - Chelsea

Wojciech Szczesny - Arsenal

Lorenzo Tassi - Inter Milan

Marc-Andre ter Stegen - Gladbach

Thiago - Barcelona

Sebastian Toro - Colo Colo

Erick Torres - Guadalajara

Lacina Traore - Kuban

Tony Trindade de Vilhena - Feyenoord

Joel Valencia - Zaragoza

Raphael Varane - Real Madrid

Vitinho - Botafogo

Vladimir Weiss - Man City

Wellington Silva - Arsenal

Connor Wickham - Sunderland

Abdallah Yaisien - PSG

Under 21 Fixed PA 160+

Mario Gotze – 182 - Borussia Dortmund

Neymar – 181 - Santos

David deGea – 180 - Manchester United

Ganso – 180 - Santos

Eden Hazard – 180 - Lille

Pato – 180 - AC Milan

Mario Balotelli – 178 - Manchester City

Jack Wilshere – 177 - Arsenal

Stevan Jovetic – 176 - Fiorentina

Douglas Costa – 175 - Shakhtar Donetsk

Yann M’Vila – 175 - Stade Rennais

Toni Kroos – 175 - Bayern Munchen

Lucas Moura – 173 - Sao Paulo

Andrea Poli – 172 - Sampdoria

Thomas Muller – 172 - Bayern Munchen

Miguel Medina – 170 - Udinese

Gaston Ramirez – 170 - Bologna

Mamadou Sakho – 170 - PSG

Phil Jones – 170 - Manchester United

Giuliano – 170 - Dnipro

Abel Hernandez – 169 - Palermo

Martin Montoya – 168 - Barcelona

Gabriel Torje – 168 - Udinese

Rafael – 168 - Manchester United

James Rodriguez – 167 - Porto

Jose Angel – 167 - Roma

Eyal Golasa – 167 - Maccabi Haifa

George Wijnaldum – 167 - PSV

Sergio Canales – 166 - Real Madrid

Andrea Bertolacci – 166 - Roma

Chris Smalling – 166 - Manchester United

Mario Fernandes – 166 - Gremio

Bojan – 166 - Barcelona

Konoplyanka – 165 - Dnipro

Cesar Azpilicueta – 165 - Marseille

Armin Bacinovic – 165 - Palermo

Younes Belhanda – 165 - Montpellier

Sebastien Corchia – 165 - Sochaux

Jack Rodwell – 165 - Everton

Kyle Walker – 165 - Tottenham

Danilo – 165 - Santos

Alex Teixeira – 165 - Shakhtar Donetsk

Nicolas Nkoulou – 165 - Marseille

Moussa Sissoko – 165 - Toulouse

Andre Ayew – 165 - Marseille

Federico Casarini – 164 - Bologna

Sime Vrsaljko – 164 - Dinamo

Alex Sandro – 164 - Porto

Alberto Paloschi – 163 - Chievo

Davide Santon – 163 - Newcastle

Casemiro – 163 - Sao Paulo

Oscar – 163 - Internacional

Ilkay Gundogan – 162 - Borussia Dortmund

Mattia Destro – 162 - Genoa

Guido Marilungo – 162 - Atalanta

Fabian Delph – 162 - Aston Villa

Mateo Musacchio – 162 - Villarreal

Ezequiel Munoz – 162 - Palermo

Diego Fabbrini – 162 - Udinese

Lewis Holtby – 161 - Schalke

Jefferson Montero – 161 - Villarreal

Ander Herrera – 161 - Athletic

Ante Vukusic – 161 Hajduk

Rafael Toloi – 161 - Goias

Leroy Fer – 161 - FC Twente

Stefan Bell – 160 - Mainz

Johan Martial – 160 - Stade Brestois

Zargo Toure – 160 - Boulogne

Rodrigo Alborno – 160 - Inter

Nicolas Lodeiro – 160 - Ajax

Diego Suarez – 160 - Dynamo Kyiv

Andriy Yarmolenko – 160 - Dynamo Kyiv

Yaroslav Rakitskyi – 160 - Shakhtar Donetsk

Saloman Rondon – 160 - Malaga

Marc Bartra – 160 - Barcelona

Filip Jankovic – 160 - Red Star

Lazar Markovic – 160 - Partizan

Stefan Savic – 160 - Manchester City

Kevin Strootman – 160 - PSV

Oliver Baumann – 160 - Freiburg

Magaye Gueye – 160 - Everton

Lacazette – 160 - Lyon

Lamine Gassama – 160 - Lyon

Gueida Fofana – 160 - Lyon

Alfred N’Diaye – 160 - Bursaspor

Yacine Brahimi – 160 - Stade Rennais

Daniel Opare – 160 - Standard Liege

Lukman Haruna – 160 - Dynamo Kyiv

Kieran Gibbs – 160 - Arsenal

Pajtim Kasami – 160 - Fulham

Tom Cleverley – 160 - Manchester United

Kleber – 160 - Porto

Rafael – 160 - Santos

Eduardo Salvio – 160 - Atletico Madrid

Ryad Boudebouz – 160 - Sochaux

Miralem Pjanic – 160 - Roma

Alex Smithies – 160 - Huddersfield Town

Breno - 160 - Bayern Munchen

Maicon - 160 - Lokomotiv Moscow

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Outstanding effort, and nice one for putting this up so quickly. Ramsey isn't too surprising as he's still not played enough games to undergo any changes, and there's a few players I've never heard of in there but will now have to check out. Finally, I'm delighted with how utterly brilliant Mario Goetze looks now.

EDIT - Nice to see Wilshere get a good, guaranteed, high potential as well.

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What FM was it (FM10?) where by the time the third patch was here, there was around a dozen -10 players?

I remember FM09 had at least five strikers with that PA: Balotelli, Bojan, Saivet, Pato and Vela. Can't remember many of the others, though.

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Plus I can't help but think perhaps Neymar and Kroos should be higher? Still great thread, thanks for getting it up so quick.

Regarding Neymar, surely you are joking? With a PA of 181 he will be one of the best players on the game if he reaches that potential!!

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Regarding Neymar, surely you are joking? With a PA of 181 he will be one of the best players on the game if he reaches that potential!!

Yes he might already have great stats for his CA and if he reaches his PA he could be the best. Guessing as I haven't seen his stats yet.

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Henri Saivet :cool:

What ever happened to him?

I disappointed that some of Arsenal youngsters didn't get higher PA such as Ryo Miyaichi, Hector Bellerin, Jon Toral, Benik Afobe, Chuks Aneke, Emmanuel Frimpong and Joel Campbell

And definitely don't like that De Gea is better than Szczęsny, when they are about the same in turns of ability and potential

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What ever happened to him?

I disappointed that some of Arsenal youngsters didn't get higher PA such as Ryo Miyaichi, Hector Bellerin, Jon Toral, Benik Afobe, Chuks Aneke, Emmanuel Frimpong and Joel Campbell

And definitely don't like that De Gea is better than Szczęsny, when they are about the same in turns of ability and potential

im a huge , huge fan of szczesny ,he's actually my fave keeper around now , so dont get me wrong when i say this... but he is nowhere near De Gea in terms of ability and potential irl ..

and i can agree on pa's are a lost more conservative this year,... but all of the players listed above have the potential to be first teamers in game still :)

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Regarding Neymar, surely you are joking? With a PA of 181 he will be one of the best players on the game if he reaches that potential!!

Watching Neymar I think he could be as good as C Ronaldo, hence I would have thought a slightly higher 180s was on the cards. Still I agree that he could become one of the best forwards in the game.

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Neymar at 181 is plenty, and extra 10pa makes less difference than some top training management, just means he'll be brilliant if even you dont nurture him quite right.

He definitely shouldn't be higher, we haven't actually seen him perform in a top league yet, and there;s plenty of players that completely fail when the reach Europe.

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What ever happened to him?

I disappointed that some of Arsenal youngsters didn't get higher PA such as Ryo Miyaichi, Hector Bellerin, Jon Toral, Benik Afobe, Chuks Aneke, Emmanuel Frimpong and Joel Campbell

And definitely don't like that De Gea is better than Szczęsny, when they are about the same in turns of ability and potential

The thing about all those kids are that they've either never played a first team game before, or have had very little experience else where which is not enough to warrant anything higher than a -8. Baring in mind that -9 gives you a PA that'd make a player a first team player for any top side in the game, would ten or so games for Feyenoord warrant Miyaichi having that sort of potential, for example?

I must say though, I'm quite pelased that Francis Coquelin is a -9.

Anyway, to bring up something more relevant to the list: is there any chance it could be sorted by position?

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The thing about all those kids are that they've either never played a first team game before, or have had very little experience else where which is not enough to warrant anything higher than a -8. Baring in mind that -9 gives you a PA that'd make a player a first team player for any top side in the game, would ten or so games for Feyenoord warrant Miyaichi having that sort of potential, for example?

I must say though, I'm quite pelased that Francis Coquelin is a -9.

Anyway, to bring up something more relevant to the list: is there any chance it could be sorted by position?

When ryo played for feyenoord, the media and fans were going crazy over him, calling him Ryodiniho and labeling him the new messi and he would have played a lot more games if he didn't get injured and so yes I do think he should be given a -9 potential and what about players like Raheem Stirling, Adam Campbell and Robbie Cotton who have not played any first team football should they deserve a -9 potential.

Also I was very happy about Coquelin aswell

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I remember arguments on here about him not being one on FM10, you may be right and he was by 10.3 (don't have the game installed to double check) but I have a feeling he wasn't -10 until FM11 tbh

Nope as they didn't make any in 11. He maintained it because of his horrible injury

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Oh dear. What is FM's obsession with Ramsey? He's really not all that. How the likes of Thiago is a -9 and Ramsey is a -10 is beyond me.

Someone said this earlier, but I'll repeat it: Ramsey's PA has remained the same since the 10.3 database because of his injury. It'll most likely be changed in the next data update.

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Someone said this earlier, but I'll repeat it: Ramsey's PA has remained the same since the 10.3 database because of his injury. It'll most likely be changed in the next data update.

Yup, although in fairness he has the potential to be a top player, but he definitely lacks constancy, but you can't blame him for under-performing in the current Arsenal turmoil, his performances for Wales have been much better. I'd say a -8 or -9 is fair.

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I Think Ryo Myaichi should be a -9, he was very good on loan in the handful of games he played last year! I also think he should be faster than he is in game seeing as he runs 10.5X 100 metre time.

Ramsey should be a -9

I also think Gotze should have an even higher Pa, He is an absolute freak one of the best prospects I have seen in my life! Maybe 185-187 cannot speak higher of him

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I Think Ryo Myaichi should be a -9, he was very good on loan in the handful of games he played last year! I also think he should be faster than he is in game seeing as he runs 10.5X 100 metre time.

Ramsey should be a -9

I also think Gotze should have an even higher Pa, He is an absolute freak one of the best prospects I have seen in my life! Maybe 185-187 cannot speak higher of him

well he's already the highest rated under 21 player in the game.. 182 is plenty.. and if you look at the way his stats are spread and his current CA .. 182 for PA means he will easily become one of the best in the game... easily

shocked eriksen of ajax still has a - potential rating .. he is looking very much one of the best players around, especially for his age...

have to agree on ryo ... he looks brilliant and showed some real glimpses of greatness in holland, on most occasions he was the best player on the field in each of the games..

and ramsey will get a fixed pa in the patch im 99% sure of it.... he is a superb talent and will be a top player for years to come and i think will deserve a fixed pa of somewhere in the 170's for sure...

im surprised Samed Yesil isnt to be seen on the list though...

and from a selfish point of view... its good to see fabian delph with a decent rating... always thought pretty highly of the lad.

just my two cents

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I can't really comment on that as I havn't seen him on FM12 but, in real-life, he is some talent :thup:

I would like to know how you know how good all these young players are?

Have you ever seen them play on an even semi-regualr basis, (i doubt that given you are 14 and won't be going off across Europe watching youth football atches), or are you just going off what other people in the media, etc, have said?

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