How can you make a player pass in this situtation

i cant belive this man, 0-1, classic counterattack, 3v1, Defender miles away, my player SHOT!!!!!!!!!!! and missed by a MILE!!!!! :mad:

What stat or tactic tweak can i make to force him to pass, i cant belive this man, so maaaaadddd, wilfrieds getting sold

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well played, He actully hit the post but still -_-

This ain't FIFA although many real life players would benefit from looking up and passing square more often.

In terms of FM I believe increasing the frequency of crossing helps as well as good mental attributes. I've seen an improvement in my players but for every square ball/pull back I can still show you another 10+ times when they took a shot.

I think that image would be perfect for some "Rage Comic" additions

It's not terribly impossible. Players do go on their own and try to score when seemingly one-on-one with the keeper even though it'd be easier to pass. What's his teamwork stat?

use the shout "work ball into box" majority of my players seem to pass in those situations, except my right winger, but thats because he is a greedy little winger

11 is his teamwork stat, i can understand players shooting but surely most in this situtation would pass, its just extreamly irrating, i started to watch matchs in full and can actully see this happening 1-2 a match, trying to do tactic tweaks to get em to pass but nothing works

11 is his teamwork stat, i can understand players shooting but surely most in this situtation would pass, its just extreamly irrating, i started to watch matchs in full and can actully see this happening 1-2 a match, trying to do tactic tweaks to get em to pass but nothing works

Attacking mentality 16+ makes the strikers more selfish. Run with ball set to often also makes them selfish. Other than that, a higher Teamwork, Creativity and Decisions attribute will help. If none of that works you will just have to wait for better decisions coding in future FM versions

honestly makes me wanna cry at how often this is happening, seems like its just what you said, checked the stats and all, tried turning down the mentality and what you said, lets see how it works out.

Attacking mentality 16+ makes the strikers more selfish. Run with ball set to often also makes them selfish. Other than that, a higher Teamwork, Creativity and Decisions attribute will help. If none of that works you will just have to wait for better decisions coding in future FM versions

This.

Lower the mentality and you should see a difference. And personally i've noticed a huge difference when i use players with higher decisions, very important attribute if you want a player to pass instead of shoot in those situations.

Decisions generally seems to be a vastly underrated attribute by a lot of players.

wilfried is awesome.

i had one earlier where the player squared it when clean through.

it is how the game "balances" everything.

If you all say that is an atribute problem, please show me a goal with a pass in that kind of situation...

If you all say that is an atribute problem, please show me a goal with a pass in that kind of situation...

Don't bother. The defence brigade is already in (generally speaking).

It's like the now famous "well, I'm dominating. Have more possession, more SoT, more CCC and I produce 20 shots per game. Still my opponent takes 5 shots and scores 2 goals. And that happens quite a lot."

"Man, it's your tactics. I don't have that problem."

"Any proof?"

"Eh... Just lower the speed slider mate. You have them running too much and one on ones can't be converted with too much running."

"Wha...?"

"Just learn the game mate and stop whining..."

This game is so broken and it's still addictive. Imagine if some of its features were working properly. We would never need another game.

The community though? Well, I think it's broken beyond repair.

Don't bother. The defence brigade is already in (generally speaking).

What's the point of being an arse about anyone who disagrees with you? Why go on an open forum if you've already dismissed everyone's opinion that isn't yours?

My main frustration in FM12 has been the opposite - my players when put through on clear one-on-ones at a slight angle seem oblivious of the goal, and will sometimes even turn around and try to pass it back to a teammate, through the crowd of defenders that they just left in their wake. Or they head for the byline and try to cut it back.

A lot of strikers would take the shot above.

If he was at a narrower angle, or had a defender on him, then you'd always expect a pass, but a striker will often back himself to score one-on-one. It's the cue for all those commentator clichés: "As soon as he latched on to that throughball, he only had one thing on his mind, Chris"; "the best strikers have that selfish streak, Andy, they're just desperate for goals". And variations thereof, ad nauseam.

As someone who doesn't support or follow Tottenham, I must have still seen Jermaine Defoe do this at least 20 times.

Of course Wilfried might have better decisions, better teamwork and get along better with his strike partner than Defoe ever has. But I can't tell from a screenshot. I'm surprised that you can.

What's the point of being an arse about anyone who disagrees with you? Why go on an open forum if you've already dismissed everyone's opinion that isn't yours?

My main frustration in FM12 has been the opposite - my players when put through on clear one-on-ones at a slight angle seem oblivious of the goal, and will sometimes even turn around and try to pass it back to a teammate, through the crowd of defenders that they just left in their wake. Or they head for the byline and try to cut it back.

A lot of strikers would take the shot above.

If he was at a narrower angle, or had a defender on him, then you'd always expect a pass, but a striker will often back himself to score one-on-one. It's the cue for all those commentator clichés: "As soon as he latched on to that throughball, he only had one thing on his mind, Chris"; "the best strikers have that selfish streak, Andy, they're just desperate for goals". And variations thereof, ad nauseam.

As someone who doesn't support or follow Tottenham, I must have still seen Jermaine Defoe do this at least 20 times.

Of course Wilfried might have better decisions, better teamwork and get along better with his strike partner than Defoe ever has. But I can't tell from a screenshot. I'm surprised that you can.

I said "generally speaking". I wasn't referring to this exact situation (even though it shouldn't take a Messi to pass the ball to an open teammate most of the times.)

If the game wasn't so illogical though people in the forums wouldn't have such conflicting opinions.

But that's FM, it will never change. And that goes for the community too.

If none of that works you will just have to wait for better decisions coding in future FM versions

I some times wonder is there enough time before end of days. Few billion years is unlikely to be enough for programmers to fix it at this pace.

It's all about the DECISION attribute!

Player with good decision attribute knows that the best choice is to pass the ball.

It's all about the DECISION attribute!

Player with good decision attribute knows that the best choice is to pass the ball.

This is basic football logic. It shouldn't require high decision attribute. 10 should be enough in situations like these.

lRemeber the El clasico game like 2 months ago when exactly this situation happened when Cristiano was one on one with Valdes and took the shot, instead of passing Benzema in a similar positions as the player in this situation. Ronaldo missed and Real lost the game later. So sometimes even star players takes this shot so there is nothing wrong with that this situation of not passing happens sometimes i belive.

This is one of the areas the match engine is unquestionably weak at: players approaching the box from the wings have no clue what to do, even when a five year-old would instinctively know to pull it back. It's incredibly frustrating to watch. At least half the time they just run to the byline, turn their back to the goal, and dither for a while before laying it back to the full-back.

Barcelona scored an equaliser against me last night in a virtually identical situation

Don't bother. The defence brigade is already in (generally speaking).

It's like the now famous "well, I'm dominating. Have more possession, more SoT, more CCC and I produce 20 shots per game. Still my opponent takes 5 shots and scores 2 goals. And that happens quite a lot."

"Man, it's your tactics. I don't have that problem."

"Any proof?"

"Eh... Just lower the speed slider mate. You have them running too much and one on ones can't be converted with too much running."

"Wha...?"

"Just learn the game mate and stop whining..."

This game is so broken and it's still addictive. Imagine if some of its features were working properly. We would never need another game.

The community though? Well, I think it's broken beyond repair.

It could be just bad luck. I've played 16 seasons FM 11 and 7 in FM 12, more than 1000 matches, I had bad luck games, good luck games too. But I can't remember a back pass in a situation like that, or a ....

Again, for those who are saying that "more decision attribute is needing" (I like when a little possible flaw in the M.E. is justificated with attributes, e.g keeper waiting inside the area and not leaving it even if the ball is 50 cm outside and the rival striker is 10 meters away, he will just wait there "because the "decisions" isn't 20) show me a video where a player do something like that and I'll be happy that it's a posibility in the M.E (and congrats SI, of course).

Sorry for my bad english, i'm from argentina

This is one of the areas the match engine is unquestionably weak at: players approaching the box from the wings have no clue what to do, even when a five year-old would instinctively know to pull it back. It's incredibly frustrating to watch. At least half the time they just run to the byline, turn their back to the goal, and dither for a while before laying it back to the full-back.

Raging about this every match! It seems to me the highest priority to their game is trying to "buy a throw-in/corner off the feet of the defender", preferably within the 6-yard box...

If the game wasn't so illogical though people in the forums wouldn't have such conflicting opinions.

Football is very illogical in real life and I think SI have done a fine job reflecting this. If football was more than 50% about logic, sports betting companies wouldn't be so lucrative

show me a video where a player do something like that and I'll be happy that it's a posibility in the M.E (and congrats SI, of course).

This video isn't about the situation you spoke about but it shows a keeper behaves quite strangely at times

This ain't FIFA although many real life players would benefit from looking up and passing square more often.

In terms of FM I believe increasing the frequency of crossing helps as well as good mental attributes. I've seen an improvement in my players but for every square ball/pull back I can still show you another 10+ times when they took a shot.

In real life I think every player would pass there, surely? It's just an irritating flaw in the tactical system.

Xavi would pass in that situation IRL, but in FM he'd probably shoot. There should maybe be a PPM option to allow it to happen more often.

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If you all say that is an atribute problem, please show me a goal with a pass in that kind of situation...

Didn't even take me half a season to see one. Fernandez (ST) plays the ball through to Munoz (AMR), who despite being clear on goal, passes sideways to Redaelli (ST) to pass into an empty net.

In real life I think every player would pass there, surely? It's just an irritating flaw in the tactical system.

Cardiff/Crystal Palace last night, Cardiff striker through 1v1 vs the keeper, shoots & misses rather than squaring for a open goal.

Admittedly not as obvious as others but it happens, had it been Fifa or Pro Evo a lot of good users would have passed.

Sorry can't find any highlights of the incident but if you have access to BBC Iplayer it was 38/39mins into the match.

Xavi would pass in that situation IRL, but in FM he'd probably shoot. There should maybe be a PPM option to allow it to happen more often.

You have the PPM "Looks for pass rather than shoots" but most users wouldn't give it to a striker.

Huh. I always thought mentality only dictated the types of position they take up and how much defensive work they do or don't do...

Huh. I always thought mentality only dictated the types of position they take up and how much defensive work they do or don't do...

Noooo

Mentality is like an overall modifier that affects everything.

The point isn't that real-life players sometimes fail to square it and go for glory when they really shouldn't; it's that in FM they never, ever square it and always go for glory, even when it makes absolutely no sense. Even when there isn't a shot on, in general they don't pop over crosses or square balls when they get to the byline. They almost invariably dither, turn around, go back onto their other foot (even if it's their weaker foot), or simply try and dribble it in at the near post. It's a very obvious blind spot in their footballing intelligence, probably my biggest pet peeve about the ME in FM11, and I really though it would have been addressed in FM12.

(Unless it's an artificial way of tempering the ease with which players can get into that position compared to real life, sort of like a lot of 'clear cut chances'.)

The point isn't that real-life players sometimes fail to square it and go for glory when they really shouldn't; it's that in FM they never, ever square it and always go for glory, even when it makes absolutely no sense. Even when there isn't a shot on, in general they don't pop over crosses or square balls when they get to the byline. They almost invariably dither, turn around, go back onto their other foot (even if it's their weaker foot), or simply try and dribble it in at the near post. It's a very obvious blind spot in their footballing intelligence, probably my biggest pet peeve about the ME in FM11, and I really though it would have been addressed in FM12.

(Unless it's an artificial way of tempering the ease with which players can get into that position compared to real life, sort of like a lot of 'clear cut chances'.)

But your point means nothing when players in FM do square it, cross it, pull it back from time to time.

The point isn't that real-life players sometimes fail to square it and go for glory when they really shouldn't; it's that in FM they never, ever square it and always go for glory, even when it makes absolutely no sense. Even when there isn't a shot on, in general they don't pop over crosses or square balls when they get to the byline. They almost invariably dither, turn around, go back onto their other foot (even if it's their weaker foot), or simply try and dribble it in at the near post. It's a very obvious blind spot in their footballing intelligence, probably my biggest pet peeve about the ME in FM11, and I really though it would have been addressed in FM12.

(Unless it's an artificial way of tempering the ease with which players can get into that position compared to real life, sort of like a lot of 'clear cut chances'.)

I score a load of goals every season from cutbacks that you say "never" happen. Sort your tactics out, buy better players and stop whining.

I score a load of goals every season from cutbacks that you say "never" happen. Sort your tactics out, buy better players and stop whining.

I spent hundreds of hours on FM11 winning with a wide variety of different tactics and some of the best players in the game. When you spend hundreds of hours watching full matches, and see both your own players and the AI consistently fail to understand what five year-olds do when they attack the box from the wings, it highlights an obvious way the game could be a better simulation of football.

Definitely possible to get them to make that kind of pass fairly frequently, my players do (although i tend to specialise in player with good teamwork and decisions). Having said that, I feel that edge of the box passes like, and dinked crosses from there as well, are unrepresented in the game

I agree with those who are saying that players should be passing in this situation more often, it seems to happen much more rarely than in real life. And yes I have similar experiences with Dortmund or when managing lower leagues.

I had a goal from a perfect square pass last night. Cavani set Hamsik free with a nice header for him to run on to. When the keeper rushed out to close Hamsik, he squared the ball to Cavani who had been trailing the play for an easy pass right into the net.

So clearly it doesn't "never" happen, but in the OP's situation, Wilfried made a poor decision.

Didn't even take me half a season to see one. Fernandez (ST) plays the ball through to Munoz (AMR), who despite being clear on goal, passes sideways to Redaelli (ST) to pass into an empty net.

Nice, I'm happy now, but I have a theory.. i think the player behave different when they're outside the box, I have seen some stranges movements because of this. Someone have a video of this happening inside the box? Thanks for your time.

The player is approaching the box head-on in that one, not from the wings. That's the main difference.

This is absolutely infuriating and I'm often raging at these situations, although it does seem a little better now than it used to be.

However, as an Arsenal fan I've lost count of the number of times Walcott and Gervinho (in particular) pick the wrong option when through on goal and shoot when they should have passed or vice versa. It happens a lot more often in real football than people in this thread seem to appreciate.

The player is approaching the box head-on in that one, not from the wings. That's the main difference.

I think he has a right to take that on the OPs post. He has a good angle on goal, and most strikers would back themselves there. Anectodally i think maybe that pass is unrepresented, but that could just selective perspective.

However ive seen issues where the player has been in a position like that, and has neither shot or passed, but actually run at an angle away from goal, ill try and find the incident and upload it, but that struck me as more unrealistic than this particular incident