jpwild Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Both are illegal activities as they bypass the copy protection and alter the exe. The latter is a grey area as people may pay for the game, keep it but use NOCD crack for convenience. So the figures quoted by Sega include the NOCD crack situation for people who buy and keep the game. I'd love to see stats comparing people who bought the game legally to those who downloaded it illegally. I think I've just proved that Sega have been creative with their statistics figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikki- Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Consider this. Don't you feel like you are in some way encouraging people to illegally download the game? Seeing as a lot of people really, really don't want to use Steam and I am sure that some group will release a version of FM that does not require one to use Steam? Not that I am advocating it, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 The latter is a grey area as people may pay for the game, keep it but use NOCD crack for convenience.So the figures quoted by Sega include the NOCD crack situation for people who buy and keep the game. I'd love to see stats comparing people who bought the game legally to those who downloaded it illegally. I think I've just proved that Sega have been creative with their statistics figures. It's not a grey area at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rowell Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Or you could use this thread to discuss it. Another thread isn't needed. Yes, I agree with you on that one. But what about the poll? When you closed the thread, you closed the poll as well. Do you really think the benefits of having the discussion in one place (this thread), outweigh the bad feeling created by closing the poll? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I wasn't creating another thread, I was creating a poll. I will try once more so you can ring the death gong over freedom of speech finally and terribly! And it will also be closed - it will just be another thread containing the exact same opinions by the exact same users involved in this thread. It would just be superfluous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwild Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Consider this.Don't you feel like you are in some way encouraging people to illegally download the game? Seeing as a lot of people really, really don't want to use Steam and I am sure that some group will release a version of FM that does not require one to use Steam? Not that I am advocating it, of course. Sega and SI encourage the circumvention of trademark holders' rights. I.e, LNC fix. Whilst they don't like it talked about on here they seem to continue the implementation of the circumvention in the game by allowing a few files to be changed in a folder. Very convenient that. Hypocrites. It's purposely implemented to allow such change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I wasn't creating another thread, I was creating a poll. I will try once more so you can ring the death gong over freedom of speech finally and terribly! That will not be helpful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpwild Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It's not a grey area at all. It is. It's distorting a statistic. Once again I'd like to know the statistics of people who bought the game against people who downloaded illegally. People who use NOCD cracks on their paid game should not be included as it distorts the statistic, rather conveniently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pauly1616 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 And it will also be closed - it will just be another thread containing the exact same opinions by the exact same users involved in this thread. It would just be superfluous. No it would not. It would allow the people who didn't get to express their opinion before the other thread was closer to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PutzMan Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It's not a grey area at all. It kind of is.... I can't cite anything, but I vaguely remember there being a right that you are allowed to make copies of installed software for your own use and archival purposes only. If you just mount a .iso of your game disk, effectively it's a No-CD crack, but also one of those archival methods. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevetranmere Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 And it will also be closed - it will just be another thread containing the exact same opinions by the exact same users involved in this thread. It would just be superfluous. can you add a poll to this thread? ask the right question aswell. With the STEAM activation method, Will you be purchasing football manager 2012? Yes No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperManager Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 can you add a poll to this thread? I second that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 My laptop cant access the internet. iv messed around with settings and im not the best with computers and i dnt know how to fix it. I cant afford for someone to sort it for me. WHAT AM I MEANT TO DO?? Iv bought the game every year since champ man started Tell me how this is fair please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperManager Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Also, why couldn't SI have done a poll? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperManager Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 My laptop cant access the internet. iv messed around with settings and im not the best with computers and i dnt know how to fix it.I cant afford for someone to sort it for me. WHAT AM I MEANT TO DO?? Iv bought the game every year since champ man started Tell me how this is fair please Maybe use the computer you are on now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 this is a joke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 What if that is a work PC or a post made via a mobile phone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rowell Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 As I've said in the new poll thread (which may yet be closed) I'm not sure a new poll will be much use now. When the poll started the issue was fresh. Since then, I suspect some people have moved on from this board. Hence, I'm not sure a new poll would be representative. The damage has been done by SI. Not only have they upset their customers on this board with the compulsory Steam activation, they've alienated people by closing a poll that quantified their opinions. In both instances, they've demonstrated, IMO, that they really don't care about their customers or this community at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 We're only looking for people to provide rational reasons for why steam is a bad thing. While you have some in this forum who make a good case for why it is a bad thing most of it stems from the simple human resistance to change. and those reasons have been provided by intelligent users (inc several mods) already in the thread, what should be even more concerning to SI/Sega is that a lot of these users already use Steam. If well respected members of the forum who are experienced PC/FM/Steam users are telling you its a bad idea then the alarm bells should be ringing but I suspect those that made this decision aren't really interested in those opinions and probably won't even look in this forum. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 this is my girlfriends mac. i dnt want to use it and she wont want me to use it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwillett Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Maybe use the computer you are on now? He paid for the game, he should be able to install it on whichever PC he wishes. PS he may not be using his own pc at the moment (Im not) or he may be posting from his mobile. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave byrd Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It's a simple fact that the people who pirate the game still will do, regardless of the copy protection used by SI/SEGA. This decision just punishes the honest folk who do not wish to use steam like myself and thousands of others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
data6930 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I third it, why not have a poll contained in this thread?? I second that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris22 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I am Going to Stick with FM11 this Year i Had Problems with Steam with FM10 it was making my PC run Slow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperManager Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 He paid for the game, he should be able to install it on whichever PC he wishes.PS he may not be using his own pc at the moment (Im not) or he may be posting from his mobile. Should really of thought about that, sorry. My fault! In that case, he/you make a damn good point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Iv never used a illegal copy. never thought about it and i would never use 1 Im extremely disappointed about this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperManager Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Iv never used a illegal copy. never thought about it and i would never use 1 Im extremely disappointed about this Yet again the minority screw it up for the majority. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
data6930 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 SI listened to the Commmunity SEGA doesn't. Simples! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Im wondering when we will see 500 threads asking about the demo release Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juvito2k Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Im wondering when we will see 500 threads asking about the demo release When demo is out here, you will see the over 9000 treads in tactics forum!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Im wondering when we will see 500 threads asking about the demo release whats the purpose of this post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
max-riot Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 OK then so i downloaded this steam, and for over half an hour trying to register a new account all i get is this looks like i won't be playing FM12 this year Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 whats the purpose of this post? It's a yearly tradition, the threads are late this year if im honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 It's a yearly tradition, the threads are late this year if im honest. But this thread is not about that is it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryBlade Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 OK then so i downloaded this steam, and for over half an hour trying to register a new account all i get is this looks like i won't be playing FM12 this year Haha this made me laugh, as if I needed any more persuading, I definititely wont be using Steam- I tried it for 09 and was not impressed. Cue all those pro Steam jumping to depend it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 We're only looking for people to provide rational reasons for why steam is a bad thing. While you have some in this forum who make a good case for why it is a bad thing most of it stems from the simple human resistance to change. What about people who object on principle? Why are you personally looking for people to provide what you consider to be rational reasons? Also I have seen some people trashed for saying they have used Steam and didn't like it, why should they provide you with a detailed explanation of their experience? I believe you when you say you have only positive experiences with Steam, why aren't people who express the opposite given the same respect? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Rowell Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Im wondering when we will see 500 threads asking about the demo release Not sure we will this time round. I think SI's actions have killed a great deal of the enthusiasm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
data6930 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I think people expected FM2012 to be the same format as last year, remember they went to having a DVD in the drive to play the game after Steam proved to be a nightmare, more costly and unpopular, strange they have reverted to steam only, the decision has taken people by surprise and thus players of the game, like myself, are not happy with the decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 OK then so i downloaded this steam, and for over half an hour trying to register a new account all i get is this looks like i won't be playing FM12 this year Never happened to me. Only quits when my internet connection cuts out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 But this thread is not about that is it Irrelevant, not worth creating a new thread just to say that. Not sure we will this time round. I think SI's actions have killed a great deal of the enthusiasm. Im sure they have, i do see the advantages of their decision but i do not agree with the path they have took. I can understand it, but i do not support it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rober82 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Yes. Neil Brock (SI) didn't like it. Suprising. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Irrelevant, not worth creating a new thread just to say that.no, your post was irrelevant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhazmuz Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 red alert!!! ONE user has had an issue with STEAM, and he is unable to grasp how to make a user.. Initiate abort procedure for FM12 STEAM activation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 Irrelevant, not worth creating a new thread just to say that.no, your post was irrelevant And all these questions your asking about 1 post are relevant are they? Look who's talking... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwillett Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 red alert!!! ONE user has had an issue with STEAM, and he is unable to grasp how to make a user.. Initiate abort procedure for FM12 STEAM activation twerp alert Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 And all these questions your asking about 1 post are relevant are they? Look who's talking... no, your post was irrelevant. That is not a question is it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 no, your post was irrelevant. That is not a question is it your posts about my posts are not relevant either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
weeeman27bob Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I don't see why people are harping after a poll. SI and SEGA won't be making any decisions based off that, it'll all be done off sales figures. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 can someone from SI tell me what im going to do about not having working internet access? I take it im now going to miss out Will you pay for my laptop to be fixed please. Just send me a cheque please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrstef Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 your posts about my posts are not relevant either. None of it is i suppose. Im just pissed off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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