PMLF Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Brazil > * Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 this is still dumb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted December 19, 2022 Author Share Posted December 19, 2022 Maybe they should increase the impact of the WC in the ranking. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 USA are far too high at 13. England and Croatia should be above Belgium. Japan could be a bit higher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Oche's ratings 1. Argentina 2. France 3. Brazil 4. Croatia 5. England 6. Netherlands 7. Portugal 8. Morocco 9. Spain 10. Italy 11. Belgium 12. Germany Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
skybluedave Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Tifo did a video on the rankings and because they transfered current standing over and then started using this ELO style it makes it hard for teams to move up and down. Belguim as an example, up until this month hadn't lost many and when they did it was to teams in the top 6, so it had a minimal effect on their score. Basically if you gonna drop a lot in the rankings you have to lose to lower rank teams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 4 hours ago, Mahzun_Savas said: USA are far too high at 13. The same USA that England barely drew with? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 46 minutes ago, thomyorkessoul said: The same USA that England barely drew with? Yeah they are around 15-18th Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Astafjevs Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Not sure I'd have them that high either tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 The issue with these threads is that people want rankings to match the eye test. The problem is that the eye test is subjective and so FIFA mirroring the ELO system is as close to objective as it gets 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 USA are a striker away from being capable of contending against anybody. On most days, our midfield will outwork just about anybody and we have the pace to keep teams on the back foot. The defense can be a mess, but that's true of most teams. Would love to see England play matches in Central America and see how easy they think it is after getting kicked all over the pitch for 90 minutes, while suffering ridiculous abuse from the stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 13 minutes ago, thomyorkessoul said: USA are a striker away from being capable of contending against anybody. On most days, our midfield will outwork just about anybody and we have the pace to keep teams on the back foot. The defense can be a mess, but that's true of most teams. Would love to see England play matches in Central America and see how easy they think it is after getting kicked all over the pitch for 90 minutes, while suffering ridiculous abuse from the stands. I want us to play Argentina Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 ELO Top 20 1. Argentina 2. Brazil 3. France 4. Netherlands 5. Portugal 6. Spain 7. Italy 8. England 9. Germany 10. Croatia 11. Belgium 12. Columbia 13. Uruguay 14. Denmark 15. Switzerland 16. Morocco 17. Peru 18. Japan 19. Ecuador 20. Serbia USA 23rd Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 USA is barely a top30 team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 2 minutes ago, GunmaN1905 said: USA is barely a top30 team. Spoiler 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mahzun_Savas Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, thomyorkessoul said: The same USA that England barely drew with? England showed no urgency to attack that game, they were quite happy with the draw from the start. I don't know why, but they definitely did not play to win. The USA is a worse team than Japan who are 20th, swap the two and it would be better. Edited December 19, 2022 by Mahzun_Savas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmaN1905 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Just now, thomyorkessoul said: Reveal hidden contents You can meme all you want, but USA is nowhere close to European or South American teams, wouldn't qualify from either region. Then you have a decent number of African teams that are better. You just had the luck of being in one of the worst two groups of the tournament, including the worst European team that lucked into qualifying due to COVID and war in Ukraine. Every team that could field decent 11 players qualified from your region, including awful Costa Rica. Italy, Ukraine, Czech, Turkey, Austria, Hungary, Russia, Slovakia are all definitely better teams than the US, whether you like it or not. Then there are half a dozen other teams that are also decent. In South America, you have the likes of Colombia and Chile not qualifying, alongside worst teams in the region being on par with Costa Rica. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Honestly don't give a **** about soccer and didn't even watch a single one of our games. I just love how upset all the eurosnobs get everytime these rankings come out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpain16 Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 You don't give a **** about soccer and didn't watch a single of your games, but you know that "USA are a striker away from being capable of contending against anybody". How does that work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 I play FM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 Serious answer? Because I've seen us play outside of the World Cup. Just because I didn't watch those games doesn't change anything. I'm perfectly capable of reading analysis of the games as well if I wanted to, but frankly I don't care what happens at this joke of a World Cup. It's fitting that a team that lost to Saudi Arabia won the whole thing. It just shows how pointless these arguments actually are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) Always baffled by seeing Belgium being that high in the rankings, position earned by doing literally nothing. Edited December 19, 2022 by Federico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 (edited) 9 ore fa, PMLF ha scritto: Maybe they should increase the impact of the WC in the ranking. I mean... Argentina got the double, America's Cup + World Cup and still behind Brazil? Just LOL. Edited December 19, 2022 by Federico Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorando Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 51 minutes ago, Federico said: Always baffled by seeing Belgium being that high in the rankings, position earned by doing literally nothing. yes other than winning more games than any other nation in the world between 2016-2020 literally nothing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
noikeee Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 In this thread, people who don't understand what a ranking is Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 3 hours ago, thomyorkessoul said: Honestly don't give a **** about soccer and didn't even watch a single one of our games. I just love how upset all the eurosnobs get everytime these rankings come out. Dont give a **** about Soccer. what you doing here then lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Federico Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 6 ore fa, Gorando ha scritto: yes other than winning more games than any other nation in the world between 2016-2020 literally nothing Ahhh yes you're right Belgium is the strongest team in the world Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomyorkessoul Posted December 19, 2022 Share Posted December 19, 2022 8 hours ago, oche balboa said: Dont give a **** about Soccer. what you doing here then lol I used to care, then Sportswashing happened. I'm only really here for the cricket thread these days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 13 hours ago, thomyorkessoul said: I used to care, then Sportswashing happened. I'm only really here for the cricket thread these days. Sportswashing is happening in Cricket and will be even more so in the future. It's everywhere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_jagster Posted December 20, 2022 Share Posted December 20, 2022 On 19/12/2022 at 09:25, Icondacarver said: The issue with these threads is that people want rankings to match the eye test. The problem is that the eye test is subjective and so FIFA mirroring the ELO system is as close to objective as it gets Yes, other than results what else can you base it on? In the league we never hear that the table is clearly rubbish because a lower ranked side wins. Also, by basing it on results and specifying the rules in advance you avoid accusations of fixing for World Cup draws and the like. Want to be in a better pot? Beat more teams to improve your ranking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oche balboa Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 (edited) Rankings of the World Cup 1. Argentina 2. France 3. Croatia 4. Morocco 5. Netherlands 6. Brazil 7. England 8. Portugal 9. Japan 10. Spain 11. Australia 12. USA 13. Poland 14. Senegal 15. South Korea 16. Switzerland 17. Germany 18. Uruguay 19. Mexico 20. Belgium 21. Ecuador 22. Tunisia 23. Cameroon 24. Iran 25. Saudi Arabia 26. Ghana 27. Costa Rica 28. Denmark 29. Serbia 30. Wales 31. Canada 32. Qatar Edited December 21, 2022 by oche balboa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gandy Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 Australia way too high at 11! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted December 21, 2022 Share Posted December 21, 2022 25 minutes ago, Gandy said: Australia way too high at 11! It's a literal ranking of how the teams did at the WC. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PMLF Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MIR17 Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 Belgium bring so high for so many years, even bizarrely bring #1 for many years despite only ever getting to one semi-final in the past 20 years has just shown how broken they are tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted December 23, 2022 Share Posted December 23, 2022 It is a ranking based on criteria. We can question the criteria all we want but all teams know the criteria and even hailed it for years (ELO) It will always give us random rankings which is the same with other sports. Only male tennis avoids this issue, mainly due to the dominance of the big 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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