ExciterFl Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Hello there I have tried this tactic from the very beginning with Basingstoke, but unfortunately the tactic wont work for me. Not sure if it is because this is a LLM team but as you can see in the fixture screenshot I´m really struggeling to win. I create quiet some chances, have more possesion, good passing score, etc. but my team simply does not score very often and concede quiet a lot, especially through counter attack. I have already adjusted a couple of things based on earlier comments here (attacking style, work ball into box, switch off offside, etc) but still no 3p games for my team. Very annoying. Are there more experiences with LLM ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
janeka Posted December 6, 2013 Share Posted December 6, 2013 Did you change both CB's to Cover, or just 1? I am going to try and using 1 Cover and 1 Def, and see how that goes. Turning offside trap off and work ball into box seems to help a lot though for sure. Both of them. Improved a lot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keno777 Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Both of them. Improved a lot. Cool will try this, thanks. I also removed Push Up Higher and seem to be leaking a lot less goals, was still getting beat easily on quick counters and thru balls once in awhile, will report back after more matches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martend1982 Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Hello, First of all: thank you for this great tactic! Works very well with my PSV squad. Can you advise which pitch size I need to choose? Thank you! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
martend1982 Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Putting all 10 outfield players on Defend Corner duty. Just make sure they are in or around the box. Normally, you will have 2 outfield players attacking during Defending Corners. Change their instruction to Go Back.You will never concede a goal on corners, trust me. No need for any special training like "Def Set Pieces" or anything. Enjoy!! Thank you!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbchandler Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Hello,First of all: thank you for this great tactic! Works very well with my PSV squad. Can you advise which pitch size I need to choose? Thank you! I'd also like to know this please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razerious Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Started a new game with Bromley (Skrill South). Won the leage and FA Trophy my first season. The match schedule was insane at times. Final league table [full size] FA Trophy final [full size] Team stats [full size] My player of the year [full size] Got a bit scared when he got strained knee ligaments before the last 6 vital games, but things turned out alright event without him Made the following change to the tactic (to the best of my recollection): * Turned off: Offside, push higher up, * When facing a team with quick attackers, or when seeing a lot of balls being sent over the top, I added "drop deeper" (or "drop much deeper") * More direct passing for AML/R, ST, MCa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuickZombie Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Any news on 1.1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pilmalm Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 asked several times before but didnt get a good answer! Whats the training during season? Using it from January first season with Middlesborough, ended up 2th place! Now in premier league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Just finished first season with Southampton. Some good results at City (3-1) and Arsenal (2-1). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I scored a good number of goals but didn't have a stand out player. Each game was a struggle and i had some periods with non-winning streaks of 5/6. Saying that i finished 6th when i was predicted 10th. This season ive purchased Ayew (16 mill) from City, Lennon (4'4 mill) from Spurs. Last year i re-trained Lallana to play on the left and loaned Salvio from SLB and played Osvaldo on the right but both didn't perform as i would have liked. For my second season ive implemented the changes mentioned in this forum....No offside, work ball, direct passing for wingers ect, and center backs to cover. Lets see how we do. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 So 3 games in and its not going well. 2 draws and a massive loss to bottom of the table Fulham! Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Look at the chances ive missed, its getting crazy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFergusonPFC Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 Has there been another patch released yet again??? The tactic has become a lot less consistent I'm afraid :/ Amazing tactic but the match engine keeps getting changed:( Shame, as it was all going so well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 8 games in and W1 D2 L5 the changes are not working for me! Ive gone from a team with flowing football and a 6th place finish to a team of players that belong in the Championship! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CFergusonPFC Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 My team having a lot less shots then before, I'll try a few tweaks and let you know. However, have just won 6-0 after having 9 shots and 3 CCC's,hard to complain after a 6-0 win but just 9 shots????? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
iolodavanki Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 I won the Ligue 1 with Lyon in the first season (14.1.4). Tactic works like a charm. The CM (advanced playmaker) was Star of the season (Grenier, sold to Monaco after the season for 34M pounds, most of it upfront). Thank you for a good tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mielony Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 http://zapisz.net/images/273_villarreal_tabela1.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pemell Posted December 8, 2013 Share Posted December 8, 2013 version 1.1 is coming along nicely. There's a 1.1 in the making? Fuss, you are my hero since FM12 (or was it FM11, don't remember). I loved the 4-4-2 you had going. Still my favourite formation is 4-4-2 but I guess it's a no go on FM14 (as far as I can say after some seasons trying to get it working). Thanks Fuss and keep up the good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemc Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Used this over the weekend in two saves (as a test), best tactic I've used for 14.1.4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helmerzinho Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I have to support Widowmaker on this one. Its not working at all, and my Atletico 6 seasons winning everything testing tactics can barely sniff top 3 in La Liga and finished bottom in the CL grp stages. Luckily for me my game crashed so i will have to reroll again early season. (there goes an all nighter playing what a waste...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 I have to support Widowmaker on this one. My poor results came about when i tried to implement the changes (near post cross, direct passing for attacking players ect) I had very good results before and since my last message ive gone back to the original and just changed the offside and work the ball changes and the results are fantastic! Uploaded with ImageShack.us Second in the prem with wins over City, Liverpool (4-0) away, Draw with Chelsea and ive beaten Arsenal. since ive had Arron Lennon in the team im getting goals from the wing too (9) Helmerzinho - I don't know how you went about inputting this formation but its taken me a whole season to get my players playing the way i want and too change the philosophy of the club to play this way. Also giving players preferred move training that matched the tactic its very hard work but worth it in the end. The first season i finished 6th when predicted 10th but it was a struggle. this season im predicted 8th and currently 2nd by a point or two and ive been unbeaten for 14 games only losing 1 all season. Great work Fuss when i pick the right changes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbchandler Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Also giving players preferred move training that matched the tactic its very hard work but worth it in the end. Which preferred moves did you use for which positions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Which preferred moves did you use for which positions? Its really just looking at the position role and copying what you're trying to do... So i looked at Osvaldo who plays my False 9 role. The False 9 drops back into midfield and supplies the pass for my wingers and on-rushing BBM/AP. So i trained him to come deep to get the ball and try killer passes. The fullbacks are told to mark tighter so i trained them in this. AP to get further forward as he will be my main goal threat from the center of midfield Just look at your team/player tactic and see what needs to be done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanFerret Posted December 9, 2013 Share Posted December 9, 2013 Won the Premier League with Barnet losing twice all season. Used the 1.0 with offsides off and pass into space on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyoSenpai Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 not working for me .. poor football + poor results Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampalaea4 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Won the Premier League with Barnet losing twice all season. Used the 1.0 with offsides off and pass into space on. What strategy did you use the most time? My team is the 4th best on the league and usually I use attacking and standard strategy. I have noticed that when I drop to counter strategy is like I score an own-goal. This is also true the last 4-5 years in FM...once you go defensive they score, no matter what team you will play... So when you play with a strong opponent, or when you are away and you are slight underdogs or slight favorite what strategy you use? Also if you lead the game by 2 goals, do you go to counter? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serek Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Very good tactic, but defending corners is abyssmal. I lost two big games due to conceding two goals from corners, that is really bad, especially since it ended my Monaco's adventure in Champion's League. I'm hoping this will be corrected in 1.1. Keep up the good work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mand312 Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 Must say this tactic is immense. I'm 14 games unbeaten with Auxerre. No signings. Top and clear by 9 points at christmas. My striker is looking like wining player of the year. Both wingers are scoring bucketloads. I've made the following tweaks: Striker: Hold up ball Defenders: Cover (CB) Fullback + Wingers: Cross to back post. Team: Offside off, work ball into box, stay on feet. I need to look at the corner. You've made this FM really fun so far though. I was really struggling to get a balanced tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 10, 2013 Share Posted December 10, 2013 not working for me .. poor football + poor results Explain please. How long have you used the tactic for, what team + players do you have ect ect. No good just putting its not working we need info in order to help Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianb Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I like tweaking these sorts of tactics as I go along. From memory so far I've done as other people have and disabled the offside trap and started to work the ball into the box. I've also been experimenting with trying to move away from the defensive wingers to something more expansive (ongoing experiment) and I now play with a poacher instead of a false 9. Working okay so far. A few teething problems to work out as always but I can see a few things that are beginning to make more sense now. I've been having some success with the 'hit early crosses' instruction, mainly due to playing a poacher, I suspect, and that's something I'm going to try to persevere with to see if it works long term. I've also changed the corner routine, as I didn't really like the short corners as much. I've been putting inswingers to the near post, which is yielding a few goals. Very good tactic, but defending corners is abyssmal. I lost two big games due to conceding two goals from corners, that is really bad, especially since it ended my Monaco's adventure in Champion's League. I'm hoping this will be corrected in 1.1. Keep up the good work. I tweaked the setup to the following: I put the wingers on the posts, put my two centre halves on marking tall players, my striker on stay forward and everyone else on man mark. It's been working well for me thus far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 There plenty of chat on here about the right winger scoring loads of goals. This is true for me too but why the right and not the left? I've just spent a club record on Ayew and he cant get a touch as Lennon is hogging all the play...ideas on sharing the load? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemc Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 There plenty of chat on here about the right winger scoring loads of goals. This is true for me too but why the right and not the left? I've just spent a club record on Ayew and he cant get a touch as Lennon is hogging all the play...ideas on sharing the load? I find playing a left footer on the right, and a right footer on the left, yield's more goals by cutting in and getting shots off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I find playing a left footer on the right, and a right footer on the left, yield's more goals by cutting in and getting shots off. I will try but i don't have a issue with Lennon from the right its just Ayew cant get a rating over 6'6 most game. I watch the extended highlights and see this is down to him getting very little touches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanFerret Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 What strategy did you use the most time? My team is the 4th best on the league and usually I use attacking and standard strategy. I have noticed that when I drop to counter strategy is like I score an own-goal. This is also true the last 4-5 years in FM...once you go defensive they score, no matter what team you will play...So when you play with a strong opponent, or when you are away and you are slight underdogs or slight favorite what strategy you use? Also if you lead the game by 2 goals, do you go to counter? I used Attacking throughout the season. Rarely found myself changing during games either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle United FC Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I've tested a lot of tactics in FM14 and this is the best - by far! The possession and stats in generel may not look great but it's very effective. I won the Premier League in the first season finishing on 89 points. My team weren't that great either. The only thing I changed was the wingers. I don't like defensive wingers so I changed to normal wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemc Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 I will try but i don't have a issue with Lennon from the right its just Ayew cant get a rating over 6'6 most game. I watch the extended highlights and see this is down to him getting very little touches. Have you tried changing the 4 attacking players (Striker, 2x Wingers and AP) to play "more direct passes"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 Have you tried changing the 4 attacking players (Striker, 2x Wingers and AP) to play "more direct passes"? Yea and it din't go very well. Lost 5 from 8 games and the results got back on track when i reverted. Ive cut out the offside attempts and told them to work the ball. Both have improved the goals from the right Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piussi Posted December 11, 2013 Share Posted December 11, 2013 In my second season i'm still doing good but less good as my first season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack0923 Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Was working well with Liverpool for me, now isn't making as many CCC's. I have added work ball into box, can anyone recommend how to improve my chance creating? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirich Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I was also experiencing what some ppl here has said that it seemed like the tactic all of a sudden started to not work, after working brilliantly the season before. I did the same tweaks as everybody else, but it didnt seem to work. Instead of changing the tactics I started to work on getting the morale of the players up during and after matches. Now with mostly having "green" responses for most players from my teamtalks I'm on a 35 games unbeaten run in all competitions with about 4 games to play in the league. (Newcastle, PL, 2017). Im not scoring too many goals and my goal difference is 72-17 in 34 games in the PL. Benteke and Schurrle is my joint best goalscorers in the PL on 11 goals each. Conclusion is, put more time and effort into teamtalks and man management than into the tactic if you are starting to have bad slumps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdbchandler Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 Conclusion is, put more time and effort into teamtalks and man management than into the tactic if you are starting to have bad slumps. Agreed. After going on a run of good form it's important to guard against complacency otherwise results will deteriorate. From what I've read team talks are the most effective tools at your disposal. I've found a useful looking guide here. Haven't used it yet myself but looks as though it's had a lot of positive feedback. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tirich Posted December 12, 2013 Share Posted December 12, 2013 I've found a useful looking guide here. Haven't used it yet myself but looks as though it's had a lot of positive feedback In fact, thats exactly the one I've been using too. :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Hope we hear from you this weekend Fuss, looking forward to your updated version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Does anybody have any advice on how to make better use of the crossing? Im getting a boatload of crosses a game but out of say 25 i only complete 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
burnum Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Not exactly sure but common sense would say get a striker who's good in the air (jumping, heading, bravery, off the ball) and set the crossings to go his direction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevemc Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 People have tried "drill cross", not sure on the results though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Im willing to give it ago. shame to waste so many chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS Won the Prem Also won the League cup and im in the final of the F.A cup so there is a domestic trieble on the cards! Player playing well, sharing the goals and assists Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
widowmaker- Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 Won the Treble!!!! Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartyfan6262 Posted December 13, 2013 Share Posted December 13, 2013 I've now used this tactic for an entire season with Vancouver Whitecaps and it's been working quite well. My unbeaten record stretched to 17 games, and I finished first in the league by 2 points, in a season where the Board expected a top half finish and the players didn't think that was possible. I used Fuss' 1.0 tactic and really only changed the mentality depending on the circumstances. I used Standard when I played a team lower than me in the league, or in poor form. I used Counter when playing a team higher than me or in better form and used Defensive when I was up by one goal in the game or when the opposition was really coming after me. My False 9 (Marco Di Vaio) both scored and created goals, and my D Wingers finished with 14 goals each and about half that in assist. My AP had over 16 assists and will probably be player of the season. Whenever I used an Attacking mentality I almost always conceded a goal within the next 10 minutes. I also noticed that, in the games that I won, much of the passing went through my RB and my D Winger on the right. I think it's important to have very good players in these two positions. I'm in the playoffs now and I think the tactic has gone off the boil a bit, or my players have become too complacent after winning so many games. I noticed that my Ass. Manager in a post-game report warned that many of my players were too overconfident and thought they could win just by turning up. To counteract that, I've become more aggressive in team talks. In the playoffs, I've won 5-0, lost 2-0 (for a 5-2 aggregate win) and then drew 1-1 against San Jose in a game where I dominated, had 18 shots to their 3 shots and 68% possession. My next game is a home game so I think I'll go Standard and then try to work the ball into the box. Thanks Fuss! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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