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  1. Trying to replicate this tactic for FM 18. Looks promising so far (small sample size). Could you post individual player instructions for each position (e.g. BBM get further forward, move into channels)?
  2. As I mentioned before, it keeps working for me (using V2.0). @FuSS Did you ever consider using the Half Back role for the DM? In theory that should increase position a bit and move the D-Line a tad higher. Could be an option against smaller teams.
  3. I've just won the Premier League and FA Cup with West Ham. I've used my own 4321 tactic (which can be found in the forum) against the top 5 teams and this tactic against all other teams. Worked quite well, even after the patch.
  4. For those of you who say it stopped working - what aspects did stop working? Do you struggle to score or do you concede too many goals after the hotfix?
  5. Any updates on this? I've got a great underdog tactic but I'm still looking for a good tactic that works when you're favourites and the opponents just sit back and defend.
  6. Sometimes the skill-gap between your own team and the biggest teams in the game is simply too big to overcome. The tactic usually works well against team who are better or slightly better than you but of course you can't expect to beat Man City or Arsenal with a team expected to battle relegation. But you'll have a good chance beating any team aside from maybe the top 4-5 in England. In Germany I've always struggled against Bayern and Dortmund, as the gap in player quality is simply too big for the tactic to overcome. On a good day I might get a result against Dortmund but I still get my butt kicked twice a year against Bayern. However, if I have a chance against those other 15-18 teams (depending on the league you're playing in) you're still in good buisness...
  7. To get the real benefits of the tactic, give it a full offseason to make your player become fluent with it.
  8. This tactic is still working under the new patch. Look at the picture of the CL match of my hometown-team SC Paderborn at FC Sevilla. Sevilla have more possession and overall shots, yet 9 of their 15 shots are long shots and they didn't have any CCC all game while 7 of our 11 shots are either clear-cut chances or half chances. We leave the ball to the opponent for the most part but once we get possession we'll hit them on the counter. We've won the game 3-1. I still don't have a good squad, just a bunch of freebies or cheap transfers and some loanees. My biggest signing was 5 million. So you surely can have success with a small team with this tactic.
  9. I can confirm this. This tactical setup was in the making long before Fuss published his tactics. I don't really see this as a competition. There's enough room for multiple 4231 tactics. I've tried both of your tactics (Knap's 4231 and Rösler's 4231) - they both work great and look similar on paper. But when you use them in-game, they both play differently and use different styles. Don't get me wrong - I'm not picking sides here. We all have a common goal which is to create the best possible "realistic" tactic (back-four, one striker - like most teams seem to use these days) to combat all those cheesy 3-striker or strikerless formations. Let's try to create multiple versions of 4231/4321/4141/451 that all use a similar but somehow different style, thus everyone can pick from these formations and use the one that fits his individual team best...
  10. I consider using strikerless tactics or tactics with 3 strikers an exploit of the ME and simply refuse to use these. I will always play 1 or 2 strikers in all of my base formations (as 99 percent of real football teams do).
  11. Finished 2nd with local minnows SC Paderdorn in the German Bundesliga, only trailing FC Bayern. I used this tactic for the entire season (as well as the last season, when we achieved promotion from 2nd Bundesliga). This was achieved without any major signings, my team consists of former 3rd Division players and a bunch of youngsters/loanees. Pictures in Post 2 are updated... This thing is for real. If you play with an underdog team, this is the way to go.
  12. Training: Just the usual training routine - use pre-season to get the tactic fluent. As soon as the tactic is fluent, switch to a normal training routine. I use 'Defensive Positioning' in most games. Only if I play at home against smaller teams I occassionally use 'Attacking Movement'. In-game tweaks: General tweaks: - When playing an opposing formation that doesn't use anyone in the DMC position (e.g. a standard flat 4-4-2), tick 'exploit the middle' TI. - If your opponent has a dominant player in the AMC position, change the DLP to an Anchor Man. When chasing a goal late in the game: - change DLP to support duty (you might as well change him to Anchor Man if you expect a lot of pressure through the middle) - change DLF to attack duty - change both Wing Backs to attack duty When defending a lead late in the game: - change both Wing Backs to defend duty - change both Segundo Volantes to support duty - change both Inside Forwards to support duty - tick 'be more disciplined' TI - (optional) switch mentality to 'Defensive' and tick 'waste time' TI - if you do this I recommend unticking 'use offside trap' TI What to do when I get someone sent off? To prevent getting someone sent off, I usually either sub a player who's been booked or tell him to ease off tackles (PI). If someone is sent off, there are usually 2 scenarios - either you're content with the current score and just need to bring the result home or you're still in need of a goal. When you're happy with the current result (e.g. when you're leading): - take off one of your IF (to replace the player who got sent off) and move the other remaining IF to the AMC strata, tick 'exploit the middle' TI - (optional) you might as well add the steps from above to defend a lead late in a game Result: We concentrate on keeping our 8-men-defense to bring home the result. The striker and AMC are our 2 attacking players while the 2 Segundo Volantes will still offer support from their deep positions. You still need a goal and can't concentrate on shutting up shop: - take off the DLP (to replace the player who got sent off) - set one Segundo Volante to support duty and the switch the CD on the opposite side to a 'Ball Playing Defender' - (optional) you might as well add the steps from above on how to chase a goal late Result: When chasing a goal while being a man down, we're in a very difficult situation to begin with. We can't just sit back and defend, so we have to take risks. We keep our attacking trio on the pitch and also keep the Segundo Volantes. However, with the DLP now gone, we need one of the Volantes to be more responsible with his forward runs (thus setting him to support duty) and we also need one of the Centre Backs to play those opening passes which the DLP used to play (thus changing one CD to BPD).
  13. Started in German 3rd Division with my hometown team Paderborn. Expected to finish 5th, we easily got promoted, mostly using this tactic. After promotion we had the smallest budget of any 2nd Division team, yet we still managed to get promoted instantly. After 2 promotions in a row, we entered the Bundesliga as 1000-1 underdogs, expected to finish 18th (out of 18) with basically no money to spend at all. Signed a bunch of no-names and loanees, finished 2nd position (only behind Bayern), using this tactic exclusively for the entire season. First Season (3rd Div): Expected 5th, finished 1st Second Season (Bundesliga 2): Expected 12th, finished 1st Third Season (Bundesliga): Expected 18th, finished 2nd Bundesliga Results: Just to show you how much of an underdog we are, take a look at the wage budgets per season (in Euros): We're dead last by a wide margin... In post #3 I'll give some additional information like training or in-game tweaks...
  14. Ok, first of all I need to say a few things: 1.) We all know that those 3-striker tactics are the way to go this year. So far they seem superior to everything else. But what real-life team plays 3 pure strikers (unless in the last couple of minutes, when chasing a goal)? Thus I consider these tactics a bit of an ME exploit and refuse to use 3 pure strikers. 2.) This tactic was specifically designed to be an underdog tactic. It's awesome if you're a smallish team but it won't work for every team. If you're Real, Barca, PSG, Bayern or one of those Manchester teams you might want to look for something else. This tactic works best the more attacking your opponent plays against your team. 3.) I didn't create this tactic from scratch, it is basically an evolution of Mr.Rösler's Oathkeeper tactic. set up the formation in a completely different way but playing style goes back to "Uwe". Of course I checked with Mr.Rösler and got his permission to publish my tactics here. You can find his original tactic here: https://community.sigames.com/topic/420948-oathkeeper-for-1812-–-final-thread-results-analysis-bournemouth-2nd-107-league-goals-on-the-counter-attack/ 4.) Match preparation is important - don't just test a tactic for a game or two and expect immediate results. Give it a go from pre-season and make sure your team is fluent with the tactic. This should apply to all tactics, not just mine. The Formation: Team Instructions: Download link: Burnum 4321 Double Volante.fmf What's the tactical philosophy? When playing as an underdog you usually can't play too attacking. Still we have an 'attacking' mentality in this tactic - how does this make sense? Let me explain... First and foremost, this is a defensive tactic which uses 8 men behind the ball when the opponent has the ball. In front of the keeper we have our standard back-four with 3 players in the DMC position, making this a very deep basic shape. We also have our 3 attacking players (IF on the outside with a DLF up front) manually set to close down as much as possible. So we sit deep, protecting our own box with 8 men while still creating a lot of pressure on the ball. Once we have recovered the ball, usually in our own half, our 3 attacking players and the 2 Segundo Volantes swarm forward and create havoc. While technically we employ an 'attacking' mentality, this is essentially a tactic that sits deep and relies on fast-paced counter attacks. You don't need the best players to have success with this tactic. You just need some cheap lads who fit the system... Player Roles: GK: Just get the best keeper you can and use him to his strengths. If you have someone who's a good Sweeper Keeper, use him as a Sweeper Keeper. If he's more of a traditional Keeper, set him as a 'normal' GK. Guys that I used: Dominik Reimann (BVB II), Wouter Beukers (Dutch youngster) Perfect fit: Just get the best keeper you possibly can... CD: Make sure they're good in the air (Jumping, Heading, Strength) and can cover (Positioning, Marking, Tackling). If they have good mental stats or/and are quick, that's a nice bonus. Guys that I used: Lukas Boeder (SCP), Mamadou Doucouré (Gladbach II) Perfect fit: John Terry, Jamie Carragher, Daniel van Buyten WB: First and foremost we need players who can cover the flanks and protect us from crosses and cut-ins from wide players. If they're decent going forward that's a nice bonus but not necessary. Guys that I used: Felix Herzenbruch (SCP), Jordy Gaspar (Monaco Reserves), Kyle Walker-Peters (Tottenham Reserves) Perfect fit: Eric Abidal (defense first), Phillip Lahm (great allrounder) DLP: He doesn't need to be fast but he needs good mental and technical stats. Usually you can get a good veteran player for cheap to play this role. This is basically a glorified Anchor Man, sitting in front of the back-four, providing coverage without too much movement. Once we recover the ball, he's often involved with a pass to start the counter. Defensive skills and passing are key for this role. Guys that I used: Aykut Soyak (SCP), Carel Eiting (Jong Ajax) Perfect fit: Sergi Busquets, Xavi Alonso in his later days when he wasn't mobile anymore but still a great passer VOL: These guys are the true heroes of this tactic. You need 2 real workhorses who are willing to run all day. Work Rate, Teamwork, Stamina, Positioning, Off the Ball, Passing are all important for them. When in defense, they close down the opposing team deep in our own half. Once we get possession, they move up the pitch and support the counter-attack, often arriving late in the area for a shot opportunity. These guys are basically Box-to-Box guys playing in the DMC strata. Guys that I used: Niklas Dorsch (Bayern II), Kenneth Paal (Jong PSV), Fankie de Jong (Jong Ajax), Pedro Chirivella (Liverpool Reserves) Perfect fit: Arturo Vidal, Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, Tiémoué Bakayoko, Leon Goretzka (retrain as DMC) IF: Speed kills! You need the to get forward as quickly as possible once the counter-attack is on. These can either be true IF or pacey strikers who can also play on the wing. I have a preference to play them on their inverted foot (lefty on the right side and vice-versa). Guys that I used: Timothy Tillman (Bayern II), Julian Green (Stuttgart), Vaclav Cerny (Jong Ajax) Perfect fit: Arjen Robben without all the injuries (right IF), Julian Brandt (left IF), Alexis Sanchez DLF: Just get the best striker you can get and make sure he isn't too slow. I've had success with smaller speedsters as well as with bigger strikers. Big body, good technical/finishing skills, decent speed. Guys that I used: Fiete Arp (HSV U19), Odsonne Edouard (PSG Reserves), Adalberto Penaranda (Venezuela) Perfect fit: Robert Lewandowski, Alváro Morata In Post #2 I'll show you some of my results with an extreme underdog team.
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