Robert the Spud Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 How can you not call it a bug lol. Big name players retiring 30 y/o and younger due to a broken leg or ligament damage. Ben Arfa getting a fractured skull, coming back 8 weeks later, playing half a season, then retiring. Compare these instances to what really happens IRL and then come back. It's a bug, no need for denial/caution about it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Yes but a injury of the required severity happens once in a blue moon. I've seen Henrik Larson and Cisse(at Liverpool) have their legs totally snapped in half. So bad it made you want to puke to look at the pictures. But they had operations and were playing again in a year.Of course you get really REALLY bad breaks like David Boost(sp?) but that's very very rare But you have to remember real life happens once. In fm, there is a gameworld for every seperate FM save. so you are replicating it by how many thousands of fm players there are. so for it to happen in 5 (think thats how many people have had it, or at least reported it) saves out of how many thousands shows it is still rare. It'd be nice to see the severity of the injury (i.e some leg breaks are much worse than others) shown in game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAVE82 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'll have to have a look again but i think it was a broken leg. Never before in real life can i remember someone breaking a leg and then straight away retiring. Was totally bizarre and annoying cos i've lost the best left back in the world at the age of just 30. Should have been peaking at that age physically not retiring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 There is certainly a problem with players being eligible for selection once they've announce their intention to retire due to injury, if a player decides to hang up his boots because of an injury this should be immediate, where it is a case of father time catching up on the player & he's retiring due to persistent injury problems then I think it is fine to see him try & finish out the current season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachy Bum Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I'll have to have a look again but i think it was a broken leg. Never before in real life can i remember someone breaking a leg and then straight away retiring. Was totally bizarre and annoying cos i've lost the best left back in the world at the age of just 30. Should have been peaking at that age physically not retiring. Given the latest advances in surgery's and reconstructions i wouldn't think any single leg break is career threatening. The rugby player Olly Barkley is a great example. Badly broken the same leg twice in recent years and is still coming back to play rugby with his leg full of rodes, plates & screws! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_macleod Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 It's normally to do with long running injury problems though, not a broken leg or something of that sort. His injury steamed from a broken ankle while training with England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Im one of the ones who lost a player to this "bug". Personally I can see any player over 30 who misses a season due to injury considering retiring. Maybe they all wont, maybe on a different game Lucio breaks his leg and returns to Inter next season. Fact is anyone who gets hurt severly will consider putting themselves in that position again. We're all assuming long term injury = definite retirement that may not be the case at all. For all we know 100 players get injured seriously throughout the different leagues and only 1 retires Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Even if Terry were injured for the rest of this season IRL there's no way he'd just retire, unless he was crippled and in a wheelcahir. C'mon, use your common sense Kriss. Suarez, Cole, Terry retiring during the first season....be reasonable. All in different games I'm assuming, how many (hundreds?) of thousands of game is this not happening in? All I'm saying is that 5 or even 20 reports don't make it an issue necessarily, it needs much more info to prove or disprove it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graves248 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The key phrase there being 'stemmed from'. FM doesn't seem to have recurring injury problems yet, so it just seems a bit silly for a player to retire after one injury. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 All in different games I'm assuming, how many (hundreds?) of thousands of game is this not happening in? How are we supposed to prove a negative? There are doubtless many more unreported cases of similar events in games where people don't realise it or people don't report it. Just as there are many more cases where it isn't happening. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMtillidie Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 i had this last year a 19 year old wonderkid injured for 2 months and retired. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meridius Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Even if Terry were injured for the rest of this season IRL there's no way he'd just retire, unless he was crippled and in a wheelcahir. C'mon, use your common sense Kriss. Suarez, Cole, Terry retiring during the first season....be reasonable. How do you know? Of course there will be a moment where he considers stopping. Long term injury doesnt necessarily have to mean retirement. Maybe someone else's Terry broke his back and returned next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurencefishbone Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Dean Ashton is the only one I can think of. Pretty rare for anyone under 30 to retire in the top flight through injury. Most will try and make a comeback and possibly lose stats, like Michael Owen losing acceleration and pace, but still being a top flight striker due to his other stats. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_macleod Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 im still yet to see a screen shot of any? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The number of players who will retire due to injury in game are exceptionally low - around 10-15 per season on a fairly large setup, which is almost certainly lower than actually occurs in real life. Many players have had to retire at a young age in the past and will continue to do so in the future, that's life. Particularly if he's an amateur player - perhaps he wanted to pursue different interests? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 How are we supposed to prove a negative?There are doubtless many more unreported cases of similar events in games where people don't realise it or people don't report it. Just as there are many more cases where it isn't happening. As you say it's impossible to quantify on a forum like this, hundreds of thousands not here could be having several each or none at all, as long as it's pointed up as a possible issue SI have ways of checking it out. I can say I've got several hundred hours in on FM12 and it's not been apparent as an issue to me. (which I appreciate could just cast doubts on my perceptive powers) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The key point in this instance is that Ben Arfa will be playing football by Christmas. However you want to look at it, it's a flaw in the mechanics of the game. Either he has the injury and retires straight away, or doesn't retire at all. Not that he recovers, plays half a season of rigourous Premiership footie and then bows out. This is a fair summation of this particular situation and thus we'll treat this particular example as a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utdchamp Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The number of players who will retire due to injury in game are exceptionally low - around 10-15 per season on a fairly large setup, which is almost certainly lower than actually occurs in real life. Many players have had to retire at a young age in the past and will continue to do so in the future, that's life. Particularly if he's an amateur player - perhaps he wanted to pursue different interests? Got a feeling that this number has increased in this version....have you checked this issue? We are talking about stars here, not amateurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabio MVP Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 The number of players who will retire due to injury in game are exceptionally low - around 10-15 per season on a fairly large setup, which is almost certainly lower than actually occurs in real life. Many players have had to retire at a young age in the past and will continue to do so in the future, that's life. Particularly if he's an amateur player - perhaps he wanted to pursue different interests? Sounds like something John Terry would indeed do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange. Got a screenshot?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Got a feeling that this number has increased in this version....have you checked this issue? We are talking about stars here, not amateurs. That is on this version of the game, it would have been fairly irrelevant of me to bring up stats from previous games with respect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 As you say it's impossible to quantify on a forum like this, hundreds of thousands not here could be having several each or none at all, as long as it's pointed up as a possible issue SI have ways of checking it out.I can say I've got several hundred hours in on FM12 and it's not been apparent as an issue to me. (which I appreciate could just cast doubts on my perceptive powers) It's impossible, yes, but that is why you assume that these bug reports are a sample of the whole forum (i.e. the proportion can be generalised over your entire userbase). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 It's impossible, yes, but that is why you assume that these bug reports are a sample of the whole forum (i.e. the proportion can be generalised over your entire userbase). "assumption is the mother of all **** up's" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtradj Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 6 months into season one and he sustains a groin injury for 4 months.. then announces his retirement? hes only 18 Bug? surely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtradj Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 its ruined my game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 In my save Terry also retired after season 2011/12. He played in 25 games in Premiership, has no injury, so it's very strange. Hes still playing in mine and who knows how many elses. What are the odds of Terry retiring at end of season? 1 in 100? 1 in 1000? They arent 0, theres no such thing as no chance in such environments. How many games it happening in? 1 in 10,000? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 "assumption is the mother of all **** up's" That is the fairest method. In the absence of any other information, inventing a method like "even 20 cases might not be enough" is no better.It is even worse to assume that everyone who has reported this issue represents every single person who has run into this issue, and therefore there are no others. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ross Barkley retires!! 6 months into season one and he sustains a groin injury for 4 months.. then announces his retirement? hes only 18 Bug? surely This seems very strange! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtradj Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 This seems very strange! im gutted mate what a waste of a season, i feel like starting again, i was going to sell him in future for much needed cash, great player aswell i just cant see how an 18yr old would retire on a groin injury Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graves248 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Using the Premier League as a sample size, how many players have retired due to injuries in, lets say the last five years? Can only think of Dean Ashton off the top of my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtradj Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 and i think before then it was Casiraghi back in 2002? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smurf Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Here's a list I copied from another site Here are some of the Premier League players past and present that we know are retiring or that we think may retire this year Paul Scholes - Currently playing for Man Utd Patrick Viera - Currently playing for Man City Jonathan Woodgate - Currently playing for Tottenham Ledley King - Currently playing for Tottenham Sol Campbell - Released by Newcastle Dean Kiely - Currently playing for West Brom Kieron Dyer - Currently playing for West Ham Jody Craddock - Currently playing for Wolves Edwin Van Der Sar - RETIRED Nwankwo Kanu - Currently playing for Portsmouth Kasey Keller - Currently playing for Seattle Sounders Gavin McCann - RETIRED Owen Hargreaves - Currently playing for Man City Jerzy Dudek - Just left Real Madrid Nicky Butt - Currently playing for South China Robert Pires - Currently playing for Aston Villa Stephen Carr - Currently playing for Birmingham Kevin Phillips - Currently playing for Birmingham Michel Salgado - Currently playing for Blackburn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 How many of those players are either over 35 or the wrong side of 30 & with a history of injury problems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_macleod Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 i can see this thread making 20 pages Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koki Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Don't forget Javi Poves! http://www.offthepost.info/blog/2011/08/sporting-gijon-defender-javi-poves-retires-from-rotten-football/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sean_macleod Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 How many of those players are either over 35 or the wrong side of 30 & with a history of injury problems? Dean Ashton had one injury a Broken ankle he made a come back and all he did was sprain the same ankle and never played again, seriously guys its not that unrealistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTC Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 My uncles friend played for Chesterfield FC and had to quit due to injury at an early age and i know several players on the non league scene that have quit due to injury or other commitments. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Dean Ashton had one injury a Broken ankle he made a come back and all he did was sprain the same ankle and never played again, seriously guys its not that unrealisticWhere have I said anything about this situation being unrealistic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utdchamp Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Big difference between Non-league and PL...bigger incentive$ to keep playing in the top leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
x42bn6 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 My uncles friend played for Chesterfield FC and had to quit due to injury at an early age and i know several players on the non league scene that have quit due to injury or other commitments.At lower-league sides, it's likely more common as teams are less likely to afford the treatment and contracts are short (so they are under no obligation to treat). Plus bouncing back makes less financial sense (i.e. a Premier League player might bounce back in the Championship after injury, which doesn't carry a terrible wage penalty, although substantial). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
graves248 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Ashton had several setbacks with the same injury. It wasn't a case of 'BOOM LEG BREAK ID BETTER RETIRE RIGHT AWAY'. Also, non league retirements are much more common for a number of reasons. Their talent doesn't justify the cost for expensive specialists and medical treatment, and they just aren't paid enough money to spend long periods on the sidelines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
laurencefishbone Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Dean Ashton had one injury a Broken ankle he made a come back and all he did was sprain the same ankle and never played again, seriously guys its not that unrealistic He didn't just sprain his ankle. Basically, the original break was a terrible one and when he came back it never felt right, event though he played another 25 odd games. The cause was from the original break in that the cartilage became unstable and wore away. They had to fuse his ankle bones together just so he could walk again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Coleman Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Big difference between Non-league and PL...bigger incentive$ to keep playing in the top leagues. This is a fair point and and aspect of it we'll look to improve. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 6 months into season one and he sustains a groin injury for 4 months.. then announces his retirement? hes only 18 Bug? surely Oh that's just genius SI. I'm sure there's some justification though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 im gutted mate what a waste of a season, i feel like starting again, i was going to sell him in future for much needed cash, great player aswelli just cant see how an 18yr old would retire on a groin injury Maybe it was impacting his sex life he got scared. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peachy Bum Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Big difference between Non-league and PL...bigger incentive$ to keep playing in the top leagues. Plus money to pay for the best treatments! I'm sure Owen Hargreaves would have retired 3 years ago if he was earning £300 per week and getting his knee fixed on the NHS! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dSquib Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Do you only get these reports for players you yourself manage? Or do news items come up telling you a major or promising player has retired due to injury or not being able to find a club? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 Do you only get these reports for players you yourself manage? Or do news items come up telling you a major or promising player has retired due to injury or not being able to find a club? I got it for player I managed so have the others except for one, who just happened to find John Terry as a coach post retirement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I bet that damn cheating AI is the REAL problem here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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