Sjg123 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 It's extremely odd! Had a great 13/14 season, breaks ankle for 2 months in october 2014 and decides to call it a day at the end of the season despite having a contact until 2016? Cmon... Look at Vidic' injury history. In that save he has injured his ankle on many occasions prior to breaking it. If I had my 4th or 5th ankle injury in 2-3 years, I might decide to quit at 33 as well! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Do we have another case of SI "overmedicating" an existing issue and ending up creating another, equally annoying one? For reference, this is Messi's injury history in my 11.3 save, from age 36 to 38 (when he was already rotting in my Barça B squad for approx 12k p/w) So he missed FORTY WEEKS in two years due to injury, yet he's still there.. who knows if he'll come back after that broken leg too (as per Nov 9th, there's no retirement date set for him in FMRTE) In FM10-11 it was all too common having old stars sticking around WAAY too long, refusing to call it a day and still getting played by starstruck AI managers... We complained and now we're getting players retiring left and right at a relatively early age.... So if in FM11 C.Ronaldo and Messi were still winning Golden Balls and Boots at age 35, by that age in FM12 they'll be long retired, probably having surrended to a stubbed toe or to a gashed leg... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbowie Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Evra just retired. Broken leg. Out for another 4 or so months when he retired, in Sep 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorne Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Look at Vidic' injury history. In that save he has injured his ankle on many occasions prior to breaking it. If I had my 4th or 5th ankle injury in 2-3 years, I might decide to quit at 33 as well! Check out post #186, the screenshot of his injury history is there for everyone to see. Never broke an ankle before or had any major injuries that would rule him out for more than 2 months. Stop trying to find excuses for this huge bug! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Check out post #186, the screenshot of his injury history is there for everyone to see. Never broke an ankle before or had any major injuries that would rule him out for more than 2 months. Stop trying to find excuses for this huge bug! 1. 2 months is quite a while for ankle issues. 2. he'll be 33 1/2 when he retires, which is pretty old if you're having ankle problems. especially for athletes with any amount of size. myself being 6'4" i know far too well how easily ankles and knees can give you problems that are hard to overcome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy_Jambo Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Just had a backup player issue his retirment from injury. Will post a screenshot later as im in work, but seemed wired to me though.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robsy1990 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Players in real life only retire if they have a terrible injury history. I can't think of one player that has suffered a leg break and retired just to that one injury. Players like Dean Ashton and Sam Hutchinson had awful injuries histories that may have stemmed from a single serious one - but they did try to make multiple comebacks before deciding on retirement. Evra wouldn't suffer a four-month injury and decide to retire, but he might suffer a four month injury, then break down again on his comeback, be out for another 2 months, then only last another three games once he returns again before another injury strikes. Then it would be appropriate and a lot more realistic to retire. Players like Rodallega retiring relatively early (31/32) just for the sake of it has been happening since FM10, and isn't really that big of a deal imo. But retiring due to injuries, like the De Guzman and Suarez examples here is totally unrealistic, and potentially a game destroyer. I'm not sure how anyone can deny there is a problem here - and saying 'it's only 10 people out of the hundreds of thousands who play the game' is totally wrong, you how to put it in proportion with how many people are likely to have visited and bothered to post in this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorne Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 1. 2 months is quite a while for ankle issues.2. he'll be 33 1/2 when he retires, which is pretty old if you're having ankle problems. especially for athletes with any amount of size. myself being 6'4" i know far too well how easily ankles and knees can give you problems that are hard to overcome. It was almost two years since his last ankle injury, and none of them were major, only twists and a sprain. And don't you think its strange he will be available to play for another 6-7 months before he retires and has a contract until 2016? I know its nothing special if a player retires at 33 following several injuries, but not a player of Vidic standard and reputation. Just check his ratings for the previous season. Then think Rio Ferdinand...or Jonathan Woodgate... If it isn't a bug, and I'm sure it is, the game should atleast tell me that Vidic decided to retire following constant ankle problems or that his ankle can't take it anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turneep Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 Just lost Sneijder to a broken leg in my 2nd season. So thats Lucio in season 1. Sneijder season 2. Both with broken legs. Hmm do I replace Sneijder with... Pastore? I think so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 The frustrating thing is that SI are refusing to treat this like an issue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MUFC1995 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 The frustrating thing is that SI are refusing to treat this like an issue. no to be fair they have said they need to investigate both labeling it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matej Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I'm really happy that players can retire early. It's nice touch. I wish more of these random things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorne Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 I'm really happy that players can retire early. It's nice touch. I wish more of these random things. Yup, the new feature is nice. However it's clearly bugged as visible in Vidic case (I'm giving him as an example because he's above 30, don't really like the guy as it may seem lol). Maybe SI hasn't considered that pro footballers try to stay in the business as long as possible because their future job(s) probably won't pay as good. They don't quit one year before their contract ends, specially not if in life form just prior to the injury that's not even that bad. Think about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM_Grasshopper Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 My mate has David Silva retiring at 27 due to a groin injury (3-4 months). Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needlenose Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Yep, just seen Rooney retire after a fractured skull also. May not be a bug, just unlucky ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Welsh Lad Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I'm just surmising so could be completely wrong, but ........ could there be a magic number score they hit i.e. Severity of injury rating - Natural Fitness Attribute - Determination sort of calculation. Like I said could be totally wrong ......... and most probably am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matej Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Well, in last 10 years of my real life i didnt have "player x retire early". I guess it happens very rarely. i wish i had that problem. Especially when im on top of the league and i need more challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Can't believe some are praising this "feature". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbowie Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 If Owen Hargreaves didn't retire, then no-one bloody should. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quaazi Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I'm just going to add my opinion that this is silly and should be fixed... it sure wasn't in the patch so maybe it isn't being treated seriously? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I think it will get more attention in one of the main patches not just a small one. They apparently said they're looking into it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Candre168 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It's a massive issue. Bigger than the GK Positioning one. It's a 'make or break (pun unintended)' on whether the game is realistic or not, as everything else runs smoothly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 If Owen Hargreaves didn't retire, then no-one bloody should. Lets not forget Woodgate or Ledley king. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidbowie Posted November 6, 2011 Share Posted November 6, 2011 Evra retired. If it wasn't for the fact he was retiring (meaning I'd rather have the younger Fabio/Rafael getting game time and improving), he'd have played pretty much the entire back half of the season as he came back and performed fine off the bench or slotting in for suspensions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Paving Posted December 8, 2011 Share Posted December 8, 2011 This is another example of a player retiring a little early... http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/290783-Messi-Retires-at-31?p=7385360#post7385360 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snoop Robbie Rob Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 People say retiring early is 'real' and show examples. Yeah, it's 'real', but is it fair? Is it fair that you groom a player into your team, only for him to retire due to hidden statistics that you can't even see? The main aim of FM is to be real, sure, but common sense has to prevail and this retiring due to injury feature should be something that only happens very rarely, combining many stats. For example, if a team had Philipp Degen (1 Natural Fitness, probably has 20 for injury proneness), and he had a few injuries on the bounce and retires, then I'd be pretty accepting because his visible stat - Natural Fitness - is poor, whilst he also has a real life reputation for being made of biscuit. For me, if the signs are there (Natural Fitness, Determination) and a player receives a literal career ending injury, i.e. a double leg break, a bad spine/neck injury or a bad knee injury, then yeah, I'd accept it, but players retiring mid-season, then coming back to play once they recover, is absolutely farcical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigfacemonkeyman Posted December 17, 2011 Share Posted December 17, 2011 People say retiring early is 'real' and show examples. Yeah, it's 'real', but is it fair? Is it fair that you groom a player into your team, only for him to retire due to hidden statistics that you can't even see?The main aim of FM is to be real, sure, but common sense has to prevail and this retiring due to injury feature should be something that only happens very rarely, combining many stats. For example, if a team had Philipp Degen (1 Natural Fitness, probably has 20 for injury proneness), and he had a few injuries on the bounce and retires, then I'd be pretty accepting because his visible stat - Natural Fitness - is poor, whilst he also has a real life reputation for being made of biscuit. For me, if the signs are there (Natural Fitness, Determination) and a player receives a literal career ending injury, i.e. a double leg break, a bad spine/neck injury or a bad knee injury, then yeah, I'd accept it, but players retiring mid-season, then coming back to play once they recover, is absolutely farcical. Maybe some of this will help: - Fixed cases of a player deciding to retire due to injury at the end of the season but still coming back and playing rest of the season after recovering from injury - Adjusted the injury related retirements to make high earning players more likely to fight back from serious injuries - Adjusted the impact of very long injuries on abilities of older players so they won't decline too much Change-list here: http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/291671-Merry-Christmas-from-Sports-Interactive-–-Announcing-Update-12.1.0-for-FM2012 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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