Deathorglory Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Rather than insightfully stating 'BAN SUAREZ FOR LIFE O0L0OLLO0OL0L' I thought I'd be a little more succint in my approach. Is Suarez a hero or a villain? Theres bound to be many conflicting views and you can have your say. Personally, I think he's a hero. Any of us in the same position for England would have done the same. You cannot compare it to, for example, the hand of god, because Suarez and Uruguay received the appropriate punishment under the laws of the game whereas Maradona did not. Also the timing of the incident makes it feel a lot different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micado Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Fekking Hero. Luis = Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Where's the neither option? These are far too black and white. He did what he had to do and the vast majority of us would do the same in his position so he's not a villian. On the otherhand he cheated so I can't see him as a hero either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Dave Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Absolute hero. <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samb_95 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Definite hero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathorglory Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 Where's the neither option? These are far too black and white. He did what he had to do and the vast majority of us would do the same in his position so he's not a villian. On the otherhand he cheated so I can't see him as a hero either. I didn't stick one in because people's opinions on this seem to be very black and white. At the moment it's either put him on stained glass in churches or crucify him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcoleman1 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Hero for the Uruguayans, a cheat for fairness in the game and he just did what most people would have done. In my eyes I thought cheat straight away and after reading the match thread but I suppose he did just break another rule in the game, ridiculous gamesmanship though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch Dave Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I think he's the youngest captain of Ajax since Van der Vaart. It's because he's smart and will do absolutely ANYTHING to win. He showed that yesterday. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cilldara_2000 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I think he's the youngest captain of Ajax since Van der Vaart.It's because he's smart and will do absolutely ANYTHING to win. He showed that yesterday. GRIT and DETERMINATION! Don't forget PASSION. Oh, wait a minute he's not English. The dirty cheat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
robbert_o154 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 GRIT and DETERMINATION! Don't forget PASSION.Oh, wait a minute he's not English. The dirty cheat. Brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
copyprotection Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 GRIT and DETERMINATION! Don't forget PASSION.Oh, wait a minute he's not English. The dirty cheat. This... LoL If he was from my national team i would love him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonboyacmilan Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 A true hero that man is! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepydude Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 He's a hero! Especially now that he can't play against Holland Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djvandyke Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Scum of the earth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7zige Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 SUPER-hero for me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Martin Allen Posted July 3, 2010 SI Staff Share Posted July 3, 2010 hero, did what he had to do as knew if he doesn't do that team go out, he got punished correctly and then saw what he did pay off Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I voted hero, even though I don't think he really had much time to decide what to do, it was pure instinct. djvandyke is the villain!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klimowicz Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I voted hero, even though I don't think he really had much time to decide what to do, it was pure instinct.djvandyke is the villain!! Exactly this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Hero, nothing else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathorglory Posted July 3, 2010 Author Share Posted July 3, 2010 Scum of the earth. I am particularly pleased that you managed to miss that my opening post was quite obviously aimed at you, once again proving you are the most unlistened to user on these entire forums. Breaking news: Suarez could miss the rest of the competition. Fifa could extend the band for unsportmanship behaviour**When he turned around, saw the penalty miss and celebrated On SSN That's ridiculous. If your in a normal game, the opposition hit the bar and it is cleared, and you celebrate, should you be banned for that? What about when the opposition miss a penalty in a shootout causing you to win, should you be banned for then celebrating the winning of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Neither tbh, although if I had to choose it would be hero for what happened after. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim2 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I voted villian Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siddo Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I voted villain because while it's wrong to handle the ball he was being professional in some respects by giving the keeper a chance to save or for the penalty to be missed. Cyan should have been professional enough to put it away though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I am particularly pleased that you managed to miss that my opening post was quite obviously aimed at you, once again proving you are the most unlistened to user on these entire forums.That's ridiculous. If your in a normal game, the opposition hit the bar and it is cleared, and you celebrate, should you be banned for that? What about when the opposition miss a penalty in a shootout causing you to win, should you be banned for then celebrating the winning of the game? They'll be banning players from celebrating their own team's goals next. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7zige Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I voted villain because while it's wrong to handle the ball he was being professional in some respects by giving the keeper a chance to save or for the penalty to be missed.Gyan should have been professional enough to put it away though Fixed for you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Wilson Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Absolute hero. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lisandro Lopez Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Cyan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 The guy is amazing. Hero. Suárez Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesc15 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 He deliberately cheated = villan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 The villain is the Ghanaian who took a one-step run-up for the penalty, you just knew he would miss. Or maybe Gyan for hitting the bar when he could have won the game before the shootout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATW Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 He deliberately cheated = villan So does every player that calls for a goal kick, corner and throw in when they know it isn't theirs - does that mean all of them are a disgrace? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zaitsev Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 I need a hero I'm holding out for a hero till the end of the night he's gotta be strong and he's gotta be fast and gotta be fresh from the fight I need a hero I'm holding out for a hero till the morning light He's gotta be sure and he's gotta be soon And he's gotta be larger than life Larger than life Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesc15 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Mind you, he is no Russell Hantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Tbh, only reason it happens to be Suárez is because Fucile missed with his handball attempt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesc15 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 So does every player that calls for a goal kick, corner and throw in when they know it isn't theirs - does that mean all of them are a disgrace? I didn't say he was a disgrace....and your examples are not really in the same league as to what he blatantly did.....there's white, grey and black areas in gamesmanship..that was an example of black... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
VamPook Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Great acrobatics though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eleanor_Rigby Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 hero. i'd hope any player that played for the team i support would do the same under those circumstances. Didn't John Collins do something similar whilst playing for Scotland? could be wrong, but i vaguely remember him being sent off in a game for something that happened in the 6 yard area. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdpatriots12 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 That image makes it clearer for me than I though. On TV it looked like he might have been able to get his head across, but in that shot it shows there's no way. Basically, if he doesn't "cheat" - his team goes home. He's a hero to Uruguay, a villain to Ghana, and to everyone else... eh, judgment call. I'd go with antihero - in the literary sense of course! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jameswibbs Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 is handling skills should be incresed on fm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7zige Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 is handling skills should be incresed on fm Should have "awkward" status in GK position Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepydude Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 is handling skills should be incresed on fm Actually, they should At Ajax Suarez often plays goalie for fun at the end of training sessions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhino Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 hero.i'd hope any player that played for the team i support would do the same under those circumstances. Didn't John Collins do something similar whilst playing for Scotland? could be wrong, but i vaguely remember him being sent off in a game for something that happened in the 6 yard area. That was against The Netherlands in Euro '96, and he didn't get caught. Exactly the same as Suarez, a certain goal denied, and should have been a red card and penalty, except that the referee didn't notice it. Just about cost The Netherlands qualification as well, except that Kluivert 'megged Seaman 15 minutes from time (to make it 4-1 to England) so that they qualified ahead of us on goal difference. Would have been an absolute travesty if we'd qualified ahead of them, to be honest, but I'd have partied like it was 1999 regardless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 The guy jumped on a grenade to save his team, and sacrifice himself in the process. Pretty heroic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaga_4_parma Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Hero!... If he didn't Ghana would have gone through... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smallen Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 he could've headed it. His head was in front of the line and the ball was going towards his head. Can't really understand why he handled it though Still a hero though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buts Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 The only thing that would have made it greater was if it had been a semi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanzim Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Saw this in another forum Outcome 1: He didnt handball it...Ok this is what should of happend, he shouldnt of handballed it and Ghana would of scored. There is absolutely NO way it wouldnt of gone in it so a goal was inevitable. Outcome 2: He handballed it! ...Giving Ghana the penalty, this is the flaw, this creates the chance of a goal NOT being scored which is totally unfair because if he hadnt of handballed then it would of undeniabally gone in. I say he's a villain, he cheated and stopped a goal going in the last seconds. He cheated Ghana out of the world cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buts Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Yes but the main punishment is the Red Card and Ghana having the man advantage and they are also given a free shot from 12 yards. If Gyan had scored the penalty, nothing would have been said. Nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanzim Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Yes but the main punishment is the Red Card and Ghana having the man advantage and they are also given a free shot from 12 yards.If Gyan had scored the penalty, nothing would have been said. Nothing. After penalty the whistle was blown, meaning their man advantage lasted for 4 seconds, also you think Ghana would rather take a penalty than getting that goal because he handballed it. Yes he got the red, and well done for them for winning the shootout but no doubt he cheated Ghana out of that goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesc15 Posted July 3, 2010 Share Posted July 3, 2010 Ghana really should have taken advantage of the situation.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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