Neil Train Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 basically, i have one player who is ideal as a paocher, great composure/finishing/anticipation, off the ball but technically not gifted. i'm wondering about his strike partner. i DID have someone employed as complete striker/support because he has technique 18, flair 19, dribbling 16 as well as good shooting stats. he was as amazing in the game as he is IRL despite the fact he hasn't yet moved to a major team. but that's imminent and it wont be my team so i'm thinking it realistic. my rooki striker is pretty decent but i have no depth in this department and am trying to work out what type of stiker (role/duty) i need to complement my poacher. i am thinking someone with creativity/passing/decisions and an ability to find the onion bag and keep as a complete forward but i'd like some new thinking on this. my midfield are all encouraged to ttb often, even the wingers, so do i need a deep striker? a strong target man? most of my midfielders will run towards the area either because they're wingers or, in the case of my cms, they both have runs with ball through centre as a ppm. so thru balls wont be a problem. any suggestions? what sort of striker would best complement my team? thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I always like a creator-scorer partnership, so if you are playing a poacher, i'd have someone capable of playing deep lying forward/complete forward support Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Train Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 that was certainly my original thinking. but as i'm going to have the whole midfield getting in and around the box to create it seems to make sense to have 2 different goalscorers to choose from. i'm gutted my fave fm11 player is being sought by the big teams. if that happens i never buy them, i only buy players that irl my team could buiy as no-one else is interested. i'm thinking possibly of a strong target man who can score and create i'm just so unsure. i looked at deep-lying forward/attack but i dont see how this is deep-lying? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCFCFan Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I typically only play with one up front. I have found that playing with two up front tends to annoy me because I typically invest in poachers and playing two poachers up front is not beneficial. I do however also employ 2 inside forwards on the wings and a trequarista through the middle so I have goals coming from everywhere really. That is just the way I play and only ever works with a big club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 that was certainly my original thinking. but as i'm going to have the whole midfield getting in and around the box to create it seems to make sense to have 2 different goalscorers to choose from.i'm gutted my fave fm11 player is being sought by the big teams. if that happens i never buy them, i only buy players that irl my team could buiy as no-one else is interested. i'm thinking possibly of a strong target man who can score and create i'm just so unsure. i looked at deep-lying forward/attack but i dont see how this is deep-lying? use a support role. just because they play support, doesnt mean they wont get goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Train Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 thanks guys. i prefer two up front. reason being i have 3 established strikers at the club and dont fancy selling any of them as they all have their strengths. i never have 2 poachers, i have my poacher supported by someone with a bit of guile. like i said though, irl he's moving to a big club and i'm surprised that didnt happen yonks ago. so for the first time i need to invest in a 4th striker (one is still too raw and the 2nd one is a replacment for my paocher so i need someone to play the support role but there are so many options hence the point of this post Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Train Posted August 19, 2011 Author Share Posted August 19, 2011 How would using a targetman affect my strategy? Basically, there are a lot of through balls to the paocher and i want to keep this, would a target man limit this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I'm a massive fan of the poacher - my usual tactics tend to gravitate towards a lone poacher with everyone else in the team making chances for him. When playing two up front it's Deep-Lying and Poacher Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themadsheep2001 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 if your poacher relies on through balls, then really the second striker should be some capable of making them, any targetman would need to be able to do this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark67539 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 i play a trequarista up front alongside a poacher, both get me lots of goals, i'm often the highest scoring team in my league, now just need to sort out my leaking defense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BiggusD Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Well my tactic, a 4-2-2-2 wide with two defensive midfielders, employs two deep-lying strikers with minimum attacking mentality; rarely run from deep and long shots; mixed run with ball, through balls and crossing. I do this because I want them to come deep or at least make some space for themselves in front of the defenders. However, most goals comes from through balls either from the midfielders, wingers or one of the strikers. This means that you don't have to apply poachers to the poacher role to maximize their potential. The poacher role has them run from deep often and run with ball often and this means they won't be part of the general play as much because they will butt their heads into their defensive line, being marked all the time while awaiting that through ball (which in my experience won't come as long as he is marked even though there is plenty of space behind the defense he could run in). The way I see it, a fast striker with good off the ball, dribbling and finishing/composure will use his strengths more than enough even though he is not told to do his thing often. This also counts for the other players and their positions. I therefore recommend avoiding the use of "often" instructions and extreme individual settings (max attacking mentality for example). The reason I recommend a setup of rarely + mixed sliders and non-extreme mentality settings is that players as different as Klaas-Jan Huntelaar, Danny Welbeck and Jonathan Viera (developed into a Guiseppe Rossi light) all contributed in their own way towards goalscoring and success with no tactical adjustment. More specifically, if your poacher isn't a good dribbler, don't let him run with ball often. Hence, don't employ the poacher role to him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_G_32201 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Im a fan of the Deep lying forward-Poacher combo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyzer Soze Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I play with only one man upfront (451 tactic), and i usually like to play him as a target man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braundjoh Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I tend to have most success with a Poacher - Advanced Forward combo, although the Advanced Forward can be a Complete Forward if the money is there. The poacher obviously gets the big goal tally over the season, but the other striker still scores a good amount of goals, but also gets a lot of assists. My Man City team is my best example of this, with the regen poacher having about a goal a game over 200 games, and the Complete Forward having about 0.75 goals per game, but more assists. That said, it's unlikely you have two players of that quality unless you are really rich Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quads Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I like playing good strikers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bradley21 Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 Either deep lying + poacher in a 442 shape or a single poacher in a 451. I dont use much other shapes in FM11, sometimes ill switch to 433 mid game but never from the start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tactational Posted August 19, 2011 Share Posted August 19, 2011 I like to be a bit out there with my tactics myself. If I'm using a poacher and making ALL my midfielders get forward then I'd get a tireless defensive forward next to the striker. Imo, you'll need someone to break down any potential counter attacks at the back before they can really start if your midfielders are going to be dragged forward, leaving all that space behind them. Go for stamina and work rate, etc. Don't bother with marking/tackling as its not worth it really. The likes of Tevez/Kuyt next to a fast striker will help you prevent counter-goals and even set up a few on counter-counter attacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Andre Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 My forward roams and passes to attacking mids a lot. If he does not score a goal, his match rating dips below 6 a lot. (I use Kleber or Adriano) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhroX Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I have to admit I'm a big fan of the classic Target Man Support / Poacher Attack combo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeesterCat Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I have to admit I'm a big fan of the classic Target Man Support / Poacher Attack combo. I would agree with this. Someone strong and good at holding up the ball but able to make good through balls, with a nippy poacher alongside him. Crouch and Defoe (in FM10) are awesome for this. Tweaking the sliders for the Target Man and, provided his stats are right, allows for him to drop slightly deeper when possession is lost and allows the best of a 442 when attacking and a kind of semi-451 when defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 I'm about to try playing a double poacher attack to see what happens. Should make a nice change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krald Posted August 20, 2011 Share Posted August 20, 2011 Personally two fast poacher type strikers works fine, as long as one is reasonable in the air even if not good. Pace is overpowered really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert the Spud Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I always prefer one up top. Not a fan of the small, pacy poacher(Defoe/Rossi etc) although lethal. My ideal CF is without doubt Cavani. I prefer them tall, reasonably quick and powerful. Workrate must be decent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
james_wilko Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Depends on the formation One up top - A creative, all round striker. Someone like Robin van Persie or Higuain. Two up top - A deep lying creative sort, and a pure goal machine. Three up top - The central one as a creative, deeper lying player and the two either side complete forwards who're quality goal getters and creators. As a rule, there's always one creative sort in the forward line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
av3ry Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I have one striker as a poacher, smaller quicker one and the other as a target man. I put both on attack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTC Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 Out of work ones mainly. I like to play somebody who is small and fast as poacher and somebody with height who can knock the ball down as target man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harper Posted August 22, 2011 Share Posted August 22, 2011 I played a 4-3-3 with Theo Walcott as the lead striker (14 dribbling, 13 finishing, 13 first touch, 13 composure, 19 pace) Theo Walcott Thomas Muller Robin van Persie Samir Nasri - Jack Wilshere Alexander Song Danny Wilson - Thomas Vermaelan - Mats Hummels - Seb Corchia Muller and van Persie played as Inside Forwards, attacking. Nasri played as a central midfield, attack, and Wilshere as advanced playmaker, alternating support and attack as needed. Moussa Sissoko subbed in for either as a box-to-box when a more defensive-mind was needed. Walcott scored 47 goals in 47 games (44 starts) across all competitions. Muller scored 25 in 47 Nasri and van Persie 14 Wilshere 13 The next season I sold van Persie and brought Pjanic in on a free. Walcott scored 25 in 36, Wilshere took van Persie's place on the right, scored 23 in 46, Muller 17 in 45 I cashed in on Walcott the following (my current) season after not using him for much of the season. I tweaked my tactic to accomodate the glut of striker I had and he didn't work well with a second striker. I currently use Karim Benzema/Jelle Vossen/Torben Jung as deep lying forward or complete forward. Lukaku as a target man. None have scored at the clip that Walcott did, and I am starting to regret selling him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.W. Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 personally i like strikers who score goals, if i had to choose. however right now im having to play david ngog, who doesnt score Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LENNYG1 Posted August 23, 2011 Share Posted August 23, 2011 I Play A wide 433 with an Advanced forward and my wingers set to Inside forward, my Attacking midfielder a Advanced playmaker and my central mids Box to box and ball winning midfielder. Absolutely rains goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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