pdstanbridge Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 One of my biggest complaints with 18 were the quality of the regen graphics. Long term saves lacked immersion. I was trawling through the screenshots of 19 and spotted this guy, admittedly as a manager, but distinctly regen quality, and he is wearing glasses. If it is a the standard of regen in 19, then things are looking up. What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 Hard to know really. Manager faces in 18 were very different to player regens. Is possible player regens faces haven’t been touched, which would be a huge shame. It’s baffling that player faces have regressed so much really. In FM14 or 15 they looked excellent. Especially with the 3rd party hair pack. Unusual to see something like that go backwards in a game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjericho Posted September 28, 2018 Share Posted September 28, 2018 I think I'll be happy if the regens don't change race every 20 minutes... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
podunkboy Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 4 hours ago, kingjericho said: I think I'll be happy if the regens don't change race every 20 minutes... be careful what you wish for, lest they change gender every 20 minutes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdstanbridge Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 8 hours ago, DP said: Hard to know really. Manager faces in 18 were very different to player regens. Is possible player regens faces haven’t been touched, which would be a huge shame. It’s baffling that player faces have regressed so much really. In FM14 or 15 they looked excellent. Especially with the 3rd party hair pack. Unusual to see something like that go backwards in a game. As far as I know the manager regen was created using the same system that produced the player regens, with a caveat. I did some dabbling using the regen engine that they use in the game, and it was easy enough to generate a really good quality regen, as an individual. But I was told that thousands of these quality regens would have a huge impact on the demands on the computer, so they had to make some limitation. This is why the manager regen was better quality than the player regen. The same could be true for 19, but they may have made progress. The resaon why there was so much regression from older versions to the latest was because they changed the engine to 3d. So the player faces were 'true' 3d rather than 2d. Using a 3d engine gives much more versatality in game. More scope basically to produce a much better looking match engine, in the long run of course. Eventually you could see somethihng Fifa level in terms of quality, and I think this is the what they intend in future generations. But it will take a long time to get there I expect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 7 minutes ago, pdstanbridge said: As far as I know the manager regen was created using the same system that produced the player regens, with a caveat. I did some dabbling using the regen engine that they use in the game, and it was easy enough to generate a really good quality regen, as an individual. But I was told that thousands of these quality regens would have a huge impact on the demands on the computer, so they had to make some limitation. This is why the manager regen was better quality than the player regen. The same could be true for 19, but they may have made progress. The resaon why there was so much regression from older versions to the latest was because they changed the engine to 3d. So the player faces were 'true' 3d rather than 2d. Using a 3d engine gives much more versatality in game. More scope basically to produce a much better looking match engine, in the long run of course. Eventually you could see somethihng Fifa level in terms of quality, and I think this is the what they intend in future generations. But it will take a long time to get there I expect. I know they used a 3d engine but the results were horrible, frankly. They could have continued with 2d until the limitations could be mitigated. Reeks of a massive oversight tbf. Going all in with the 3d system but not realising the processing/other impact and hence having to water it down and give us poor regen faces. If it’s not ready don’t include it half baked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdstanbridge Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 I agree with you, and I think it's more complicated than at first it seems. I'm hoping they have made massive improvements here otherwise I will not be investing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemB Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Ootp (baseball management game) does a great job at making realistic regen faces. The IU of the game is also more easy on the eyes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdstanbridge Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 Oh they are fab. But how many regens do you have access to in that game? If I run with the largest db I have over 100,000 regens to choose from. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Faces per se were not tragic in FM 18, the real issue was extreme lack of variety for both facial features (of any race) and hairstyles, including no beard or facial hair whatsoever. Plus of course annoying bugs like random change of faces and/or races of players, or inconsistency between appearances on profile picture and ME. So yes, hopefully there will be big improvements on this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff7 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Maybe this tweet (and the others below) answers your question.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 21 minutes ago, Sheriff7 said: Maybe this tweet (and the others below) answers your question.. Not completely as there are no screenshots of regen players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff7 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 4 hours ago, DP said: Not completely as there are no screenshots of regen players Jump into it,there is a pic too...Also Miles made some tweets about a newgens new design... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdstanbridge Posted September 29, 2018 Author Share Posted September 29, 2018 I still don't see anything? I see Miles' avatar which appears to be a manager regen, is this what he means? Okay forgive me. I see what he means. Improved yes. but by how much we will see. The hair style is rather static. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClemB Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Facial hair, thats one improvement. I wish we could edit regen hair like before. Regen hair replacements pack added so much to the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsdat Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 17 hours ago, pdstanbridge said: One of my biggest complaints with 18 were the quality of the regen graphics. Long term saves lacked immersion. Yeah, I completely agree with you. FM18 regen faces are horrible. 2 hours ago, kandersson said: Faces per se were not tragic in FM 18, the real issue was extreme lack of variety for both facial features (of any race) and hairstyles, including no beard or facial hair whatsoever. Plus of course annoying bugs like random change of faces and/or races of players, or inconsistency between appearances on profile picture and ME. Indeed. 1 hour ago, Sheriff7 said: Also Miles made many tweets about a newgens new designer... I wasn't able to find even 1 tweet about this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheriff7 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, itsdat said: I wasn't able to find even 1 tweet about this. '' they're looking pretty damn good in Fm 2019 though'' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsdat Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 1 hour ago, Sheriff7 said: '' they're looking pretty damn good in Fm 2019 though'' Nice. Let's wait and see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 2 hours ago, pdstanbridge said: I still don't see anything? I see Miles' avatar which appears to be a manager regen, is this what he means? Okay forgive me. I see what he means. Improved yes. but by how much we will see. The hair style is rather static. Hair looks similar to FM 18 aka lego hair, hopefully there will be more variety this time, especially as we can't use hair packs anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenGoal Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 19 hours ago, pdstanbridge said: One of my biggest complaints with 18 were the quality of the regen graphics. Long term saves lacked immersion. I was trawling through the screenshots of 19 and spotted this guy, admittedly as a manager, but distinctly regen quality, and he is wearing glasses. If it is a the standard of regen in 19, then things are looking up. What do you think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ruh Roh Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 Making the regens 3D looked like putting the cart way before the horse to me: it will be years and years before the faces need any more detail in-match than "black guy with long hair," and how will they procedurally map the 300 thousandish 2D pictures of real players - different quality images, different expressions, some from licensed leagues and some not - onto a 3D model? So I don't know why that was necessary, but aside from the hairstyles and the Michael Jackson effects the actual faces were better than FM17, where everyone looked like the same rat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bulletsponge01 Posted September 29, 2018 Share Posted September 29, 2018 where are these screenshots you mentioned? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weston Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 Did the face for newgen players really change look/race for some of you every time you reloaded your save? I noticed a few of my guys changed once or twice but I thought they were just aging or evolving over time. Do they do that? I also never really closed and reopened the game much, preferring to just let it run forever in the background, so maybe that's why i didn't experience it too much? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdstanbridge Posted October 1, 2018 Author Share Posted October 1, 2018 There was a bug that caused white to turn black and such like. Didn't happen everytime but it was pretty fundamental when it did. Regens can change slightly. There was a time when there hair would change, and they still grow from 15-18. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 On 29/09/2018 at 09:18, DP said: I know they used a 3d engine but the results were horrible, frankly. They could have continued with 2d until the limitations could be mitigated. Reeks of a massive oversight tbf. Going all in with the 3d system but not realising the processing/other impact and hence having to water it down and give us poor regen faces. If it’s not ready don’t include it half baked. Can see where you're coming from, but I actually like that SI aren't afraid to put in incremental improvements to features. I don't think we'd ever be able to get a feature in that's "full-baked" if they waited for everything to be truly "ready", as I'm not convinced that's even a possible state to get into without it being released to the thousands of users it takes to properly test it. Some may see that as a bit of a live beta test, which is fair enough to think, even though I think it's a little unfair (bit of a contradiction there admittedly). Put it this way, I don't think we'd see the game as advanced as it is with features had their policy been to fully flesh out features to their end point before putting it in the game. Putting them in earlier gives them a better test-bed to flesh them out in my opinion. But like Miles said, it was their mistake, and it isn't one they're particularly proud of. Good to admit, and it can go along with several other features that weren't quite good enough on release. Just gives them something to work on to make them better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 hour ago, forameuss said: Can see where you're coming from, but I actually like that SI aren't afraid to put in incremental improvements to features. I don't think we'd ever be able to get a feature in that's "full-baked" if they waited for everything to be truly "ready", as I'm not convinced that's even a possible state to get into without it being released to the thousands of users it takes to properly test it. Some may see that as a bit of a live beta test, which is fair enough to think, even though I think it's a little unfair (bit of a contradiction there admittedly). Put it this way, I don't think we'd see the game as advanced as it is with features had their policy been to fully flesh out features to their end point before putting it in the game. Putting them in earlier gives them a better test-bed to flesh them out in my opinion. But like Miles said, it was their mistake, and it isn't one they're particularly proud of. Good to admit, and it can go along with several other features that weren't quite good enough on release. Just gives them something to work on to make them better. I agree with incrementals as a strategy and an agile approach to development but in this case it’s an example of where it can come unstuck. Basically the MVP wasn’t strong enough (or met) and it shouldn’t have been released. Either in 17 or 18. Intrigued to see how it’s been rectified this version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
forameuss Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 4 hours ago, DP said: I agree with incrementals as a strategy and an agile approach to development but in this case it’s an example of where it can come unstuck. Basically the MVP wasn’t strong enough (or met) and it shouldn’t have been released. Either in 17 or 18. Intrigued to see how it’s been rectified this version. Yeah, fair enough. Seems like they know that well enough though, so expect there will be some changes in that area for 19. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoldenGoal Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 One of the twitter images revealed another regen face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattric_b Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 Improving the newgen faces were at the top of my wishlist for FM19 and based on these screenshots, I'm pleased. If they managed to stop them from changing skin color every day then 19 will probably be my favorite installment of recent years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandersson Posted October 3, 2018 Share Posted October 3, 2018 59 minutes ago, GoldenGoal said: One of the twitter images revealed another regen face. Faces will be alright if they can add some variety and diversity and get rid of bugs of FM 18. Hair styles look less promising and tbh they've been quite bad for years, external hair packs really made the difference there - FM 16 faces + debski pack were a great combo. Really hope external packs will come back for FM 19. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBKalle Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 Il 29/9/2018 in 01:31 , kingjericho ha scritto: I think I'll be happy if the regens don't change race every 20 minutes... It's a hidden feature, you racist! Some newgens came out as gay, others came out as race-fluid... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oblongata21 Posted October 5, 2018 Share Posted October 5, 2018 1 hour ago, RBKalle said: others came out as race-fluid... This is an actual thing......apparently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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