LokedOut420 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 That voice comment on LostCast summed it up for me. could you elaborate? I haven't listened to them since the first podcast for this season was ****. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 It has got a bit better the last few weeks. Basically the voice comment was saying they were totally unimpressed with the episode as it seemed too forced and too many factors were glossed over. I really enjoyed the episode personally, thought it was up there for top ep of the season. I think the parts missed (aaron gone, sayid being arrested, hurley joining them, what ben was up to) will be answered through the remainder of the season in flashbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 They will be answered next episode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 They will be answered next episode. I hope that is speculation and not a spoiler you have read. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 Sorry for spoiling the episode for you. Might aswell not watch now. Speculation going by what happened last episode to show the other side of the story in the next episode. Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted February 24, 2009 Author Share Posted February 24, 2009 they could very well drag out the flashbacks of what happened to them through multiple episodes. no need to get all ****y. the way you worded it came across as fact rather than speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted February 24, 2009 Share Posted February 24, 2009 I don't read spoilers and just read this thread. They might drag it on. I hope they don't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knapp... Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 i don't understand why sayid has to be kate, hurley be charlie or kate be claire etc. why can't they just act out themselves on the flight? all seems a little stupid tbh as sayid's being kate but who's being sayid? kate's being claire but who's being sun? what is the point? are people just speculating these things or have i missed something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted February 25, 2009 Author Share Posted February 25, 2009 its mainly speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucampe Posted February 25, 2009 Share Posted February 25, 2009 It's all ******** anyway, I hate time travel and I hate the implication that there's a personality behind it all ticking off certain boxes and deciding what fits best where and so on. It reeks of a plot device to accommodate their storyline requirements. This nonsense about 'if you aren't all there it will lead to unpredictable results' is ridiculous. It should be all or nothing, predictable, not wishy-washy and clearly done so they can have certain characters in one place and others in another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 Excellent stuff as expected. About to watch it again with my roommate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 It appears that they landed on the smaller island with the Hydra station. I hadn't noticed the symbol on first watch due to the **** quality of the picture of my TV tonight. Also, who could be the woman that ran off with Lapidus? It can't be Kate and most likely isn't Sun. Could it just be a random stewardess? I have a feeling Lapidus will end up running into Sawyer shortly, considering he is the only person left behind that had met him before and would potentially recognize him. So many other things to mention as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
champa Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 OK, that was offically mental. How can Locke be dead and alive at the same time, the mind boggles. The part with John talking to that guy who was on the plane, and they see Ben on the bed; is this occurring before or after Locke "dies"? Jesus! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anton Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I just took it he died off the island and came back to life after they crashed on the island. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
20LEGEND Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 OK, that was offically mental. How can Locke be dead and alive at the same time, the mind boggles. The part with John talking to that guy who was on the plane, and they see Ben on the bed; is this occurring before or after Locke "dies"? Jesus! Eh? It's quite clearly happening after he was killed by Ben as it's after the Ajira plane has crashed which had Locke's coffin in. How can you watch the episode and not get that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
champa Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 If he's dead, how can he come back to life? Surely that's a step too far for Lost? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 not really as Jack's dad was in a coffin on 815 when they originally crashed and he's alive now. Basically the process repeating itself except for somebody else Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LokedOut420 Posted February 26, 2009 Author Share Posted February 26, 2009 But is Christian alive? Only a few people have actually seen him and just randomly appeared to John down in the hole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gr81 Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 What happened to Locke must confirm the same happened to Christian. I expect John to 'visit' people like Christian does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 as Loked says though, Christian has only been seen by a select few people. In that last bit, it seemed Locke could be seen by at least two or more of the survivors. Maybe because he was the "chosen one" the island brings him back to full health? I'm not really sure actually, just shows how good Lost is with all the mystery Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_e Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 I guess those island healing properties aren't bad then. Be interesting to see how and why Widmore was 'banished', whether it was the will of Jacob or simply Ben supplanting him. Could be either, be a good end if both turn out to be actual bad guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnzy Posted February 26, 2009 Share Posted February 26, 2009 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 This episode shows again that anything Ben says is a lie but Im not so sure about Widmore, he looked pretty convincing but no doubt he'll be lying too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmr Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 My first thought was that Ben was just as bad as Widmore and wanted the Island for himself, hence killing Locke. Then I realised that he must have known he would need Locke to go back to the Island so he must have known Locke would also come back to life once there. Making me think that he's actually a good guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 OK, that was offically mental. How can Locke be dead and alive at the same time, the mind boggles. The part with John talking to that guy who was on the plane, and they see Ben on the bed; is this occurring before or after Locke "dies"? Jesus! The scenes where Locke and Ben are together are the past. (Before he was killed) The scenes where you see Locke on the island is the future (Or "present time"). Locke is alive because the island brought him back as foretold by Christian. I think Ben already knew this so killed him knowing it was only a temporary death. If you kill yourself you can't be resurrected I think. I don't believe Widmore is the good guy, I still think it's Ben simply because all his actions has been for the good of the island. He has already accepted Locke is the leader and is the choosen one and hasn't stood in his way of being the leader the island wants. Widmore has had so many chances to get back on the island that he hasn't took. He arrange the black guy (Mathew was it?) to convince Locke to take a walkabout. He knows of the Lamppost, he knows where the exit portal is and he has extensive knowledge and research done by Faraday. I question how he knows so much about the island,yet he still refuses to step foot on the island. If he wanted to "save the island" he can easy go there with an army and take control. After all he's more powerful then Ben. Also are the two new comers (Lady who handcuffed Sayid and Ceaser) working for Widmore? Good to see Walt back Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
champa Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 Has anyone got any speculation regarding Ben's reaction (face looking shocked and surpised) when Locke told him that people were alive on the island, and that he had been told to see that woman (Faraday's mum)? He looked genuinely shocked, but when he takes the Oceanic Six to see her he seems calm and collected - interesting stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBlood Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 If he's dead, how can he come back to life? Surely that's a step too far for Lost? No dead people have been seen again on lost have they? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springbok256 Posted February 27, 2009 Share Posted February 27, 2009 The Widmore scene was brilliant imo. Just set up what's going to happen in the last season. Perhaps Widmore still believes he can't go back on the island, or knows that if he does he will be killed by the others still there. Im still of the view that Jack is this "chosen one" and as usual Locke is being played by everyone around him to get him back and to believe the island is special. Was nice to see they actually let Locke work something out for himself for once (about Jack being Christian's son) instead of being his usual bumbling self. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dying Dougs Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 if it did turn out that jack was the chosen one (which i myself dont think, i think its locke,always has been,otherwise they'd have surely mentioned it to jack before hand), then poor locke would be devestated, i myself would be devestated, locke is by far the best character on the show, seems all his life he has suffered hardship and everyone in his life seemed to not care about him, bar the girl he was going out with who died, but he pushed her away. I am officially confused, as someone mentioned, i do think perhaps ben had to kill locke in order to get him to come back to life, otherwise why would he stop him hanging himself, then set it all up to look like a hanging after he killed him, could of just let him do it, and then, for him to say to jack that they had to bring johns body as well with them, makes sence then as if he resented john for taking over, and knowing the island would bring him back to life, he would of just left johns body to be buried and that be the end of it. so perhaps ben was in fact doing the right then when he killed john, just wish he had of told him so though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Is Helen the one he was talking to on the phone back in the day? If it is i swear he never met her it was just on the phone. Or have i forgotten a big chunk? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_e Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Yeah you have, Helen was the one he went out with previously. She broke up with him after he lied about his dad still being alive. The one he talked to on the phone was probably some kind of sex line or something similar as she mentioned charging him and him being a 'customer'. I assumed he was just lonely and tried to recreate what he had. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 Ah, yes. Cheers for that. Me forgot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willigogs Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 If Jack is the "one", then that's one hell of a story turnaround for a character who was originally scripted to die in the first episode However, the fact that his father and Claire are aligned with Jacob does seem to make him important... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 I also see Jack as the chosen one. Basically Jack = Ben. Locke = Jacobs. Ben does everything Jacobs tells him. Jack will eventually do everything Locke tells him since he is starting to change from being logical to faithful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springbok256 Posted February 28, 2009 Share Posted February 28, 2009 To me locke is being used to turn Jack into a believer. The second series had plenty of Locke getting Jack to take leaps of faith and what not (pushing the button being one). He has also attempted to stop Jack leaving the Island on a few occasions. Locke has always been conned and always will be, they have set that story in stone. Jack has gradually been turned from a man of science to a man of faith over 4 series, to the point where he is desperate to be back on the island. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rekwob Toille Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 remember how jack landed on the island in the first crash, a lot like the way he landed in the second crash, so did he disappear in the first crash too, like hurley and kate did in the second crash Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Bacon Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Not sure if this has been mentioned, but how come Locke could walk off the island? Thought the only reason he wasnt paralyzed was because he was on the island? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Clarity Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Not sure if this has been mentioned, but how come Locke could walk off the island? Thought the only reason he wasnt paralyzed was because he was on the island? Maybe the reason he could walk was because the Island fixed him as opposed to him only being able to walk while there? It would have been wise to assume he would lose the ability once off the island, but maybe it's more powerful than people assumed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG17 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 He couldn't walk when off the island could he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Willigogs Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 He couldn't walk when off the island could he? Erm, in the last episode, yes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dying Dougs Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 yeah only reason he was in the wheelchair was cause of the injury to his leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan petrov Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Ben is brilliant. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GG17 Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Surely the injury to his leg which he gained on the island was the islands way of correcting and ensuring Locke was unable to walk off the island. Hence the reason he couldn't move untill he was picked up in that truck and was put in the wheelchair? I honestly dont remember him walking in that last episode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tony_cfc Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 He would've found it a bit hard to hang himself from the roof if he couldn't walk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hjfh Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Remind me quickly as it is the break. Was it Alpert or Faaraday told Locke he needed to get the 6 back? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan petrov Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 Alpert if I remember correctly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 It wasn't Faraday as Locke was the one who mentioned to him getting all 6 back. Faraday then agreed that might stop the flashes, iirc. Surely the injury to his leg which he gained on the island was the islands way of correcting and ensuring Locke was unable to walk off the island. Hence the reason he couldn't move untill he was picked up in that truck and was put in the wheelchair? I honestly dont remember him walking in that last episode. He was on crutches/hobbling after he wrote the note. Then he was standing on the table Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
spankie Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I have the feeling that it wasn't suicide as reported in the newspaper that Jack read. I think that Ben killed him. So I was right about that, probably the first thing I've been right about so far in Lost. The thing is that I think that Ben will ultimately turn out to be a good guy, despite him initiating the purge that killed all of Dharma, murdering his father and Lock, taking all fo the children including Alex and all of the other bad things he's done in the program so far. It would be interesting to find out who Frank stole the canoe with, was it Sun because she didn't disappear with the rest of the O6 in the flash? Perhaps because Locke promised not to bring her the island kind of lived up to that promise by not taking her in the flash. So the Jin/Sun reunion won't happed for some time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manumoss Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 another great episode only downside is that i think that'll be the last we see/hear of Walt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB Posted March 1, 2009 Share Posted March 1, 2009 I missed tonights episode... Anyone know when I can next watch it? UK obviously! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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