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Well, this was a far more time consuming summer than expected, and I expected a difficult one.

Surprisingly, Athletic, after all their January bluster, and desperate need for a Basque right back(of which I have two of the best), didn't come near us much. Instead I had to deal with Atletico, Spurs, Arsenal and Man City trying to buy everyone. Freaking everyone.

Also, PSG bought Dybala. *****.

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Some outgoing transfers I'm not particularly thrilled with, but it's a greater good kind of situation.

We had quite a few good strikers(despite the new kid David Alonso being ineligible until next Feb, unless the CL will allow him), and the one with the best mix of sale value, and prospect was Jon Bilbao, a player I did really like. This decision would bite me in the ass, when in the second game of the season, this happens.

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Leaving me with an 18 year old(to be fair a monster) and a lad who spent almost all of last season on the shelf as my only available strikers.

The Jose Maria Ramirez deal popped up with two hours remaining, another player I liked, and was first choice in his position(AMR), but we talked up a frankly daft deal(he's peaked at not great), and I can shuffle things around.

It's weird, I started with an 18m budget, which Gonzalez' pre-arranged deal wiped out, but still ended up with a budget of 28m after sales. Thing is, we have another similar deal in the pipeline, only this time, for 27m, and after paying out for the stadium, I wanted to make sure they club were still strong financially.

Incoming players, I'm very, very happy with, and may have solved the long term CB problem.

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Really, just a 500k(he was approachable for 12k :lol:) deposit in Anglet's account to kick them in the right direction(I also removed all wage fees from the two loans we gave them). Might actually make a useful backup, though!

Anglet actually have a few ex-Bayonne players now, which is nice. Theo Lucbert is their star player, a guy I was giving games to two divisions higher, and he's a better player than he was then!

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I hadn't spotted this lad at Sociedad last season, but he's well rated, looks quality, if I can get his Jumping up a little, he should be a fine CB. Even if I don't he's tall, fast and has great Positioning, that'll work.

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This lad showed up in their most recent intake, and I was surprised a reasonable deal was possible. I was also surprised to see him go from 16 to 17 between when the deal was confirmed, and his joining. Positioning needs a lot of work.

Attributes slid a bit, but you're seeing him just after recovering from a hernia.

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His deal was finalized, is still an absolute monster.

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Another from Sociedad, quite excited about this guy, good personality, potential, can play on either wing or down the middle. Training him as a AML for now.

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Been watching this young man who originally came through at Valldolid. He'll be joining next summer for an eye watering 27m. He'll be worth it though, as barring old man Azpilicueta, he's the best Basque left back there is. I'm just lucky Arsenal already had both Jose Gaya and Lucas Digne on their books and had this fellow on the loan list.

In other Arsenal news, Arsene left them in 2020 to join France, and was replaced by Zidane. This summer, Arsene left France for Man City(heh), Zidane left The Arse for France, and now they have Tuchel, whe left Germany for them and will no doubt be in the near future, the manager of France......

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Bit of a project I'm hoping will develop into a great fullback, especially if Atletico come back for Ujia later....

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Prospect keeper, hoping at least to get a backup to Atangana(once Ruffier retires) out of him.

 

 

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13 hours ago, oneronaldo said:

Hide yo kids, hide yo wifes, the Basque Thierry Henry is in the building :D

Honestly if David Alonso doesn't make it, no one ever will.

Seriously! I'd have started giving him minutes and cup games already if France allowed U-16s to play. I'm hoping he'll be eligible for CL games this season, but I don't think he will be.

11 hours ago, deltablue said:

You just keep impressing.

Cheers Delta!

 

Sorry I didn't see your replies until now, backtracking to find something.

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6 hours ago, hasdgfas said:

Don't think it will be too long before you Basque in the glory of some top trophies! :D 

Fantastic progress.

I'd say we're not too far, a few years of developing, and perhaps an AMR, and we'll be doing well. I believe I have the core of a great team here.

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Thought it might be a good time to have a run through the full squad and some key prospects as we crack into the third season in Ligue 1.

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Goalkeepers.

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Ruffier isn't the physical monster of his prime, but his shot stopping is better than ever, happy to play the new Bayonne captain into his twilight, Atangana is ready to take the mantle when his time comes, and Mendez I don't think will pass beyond depth.

Prospects.

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Don't hold much hope for Boulesteix(if a goodreasonable offer comes in, he's gone), with his weak shot stopping, which is why I brought in Parraga.

Right Backs.

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Eizmendi is getting better and better, and is a key performer. Ujia is quite excellent back up too. Sadly I don't think Alonso is going to amount to much, maybe depth. Club just outgrew him, once a key prospect.

Prospects.

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Sangalli needs work, to be honest I'd have liked to have had him two seasons ago, but I think he can become good.

Left Backs.

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Martinez is quite excellent, Romo's the lesser defender but a real beast and performs very well too.

Centre Backs.

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Not the greatest group, but I'm quite happy with them for now, they're doing well, if a bit shaky in key games sometimes.

Prospects.

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This is where I'm really excited, though, I reckon I have a cracking set of prospects here, making CB much less of a worry than it was.

Defensive Midfield.

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Gil has been a reliable starter for us, but this is becoming a weaker area of the pitch.

Central Midfield.

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Gonzalez and Otegui are a cracking pair, and can cause teams no end of trouble.

Prospects.

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Very happy here, though it's hard to know exactly what kind of player Alvarez will develop into.

Attacking Midfield, Right.

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Alvarez future is in the middle, but we need someone out here with the last minute sale of Ramirez. Anyway, first choice winger is better then backup mid for developing. Garcia doesn't look *that8* great, but he's growing well and destroying teams at times already.

Prospects.

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Aubert is growing nicely, as is the versatile Bilbao.

Attacking Midfield, Left.

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Ander Sanz' brother makes our left wing a nightmare for fullbacks throughout France, and Thior is mighty backup though more effective as a pure winger on the right, when given the chance.

Prospects.

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Ramos is an exciting young player, though he may of course end up central.

Strikers.

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Garrido is a real beast! My tactics don't really play to his strengths though, something I need to fix urgently, it's a waste to not use him to his potential. Villalibre's foot break is a real downer, whatever chance he had to get reasonably close to his(massive) potential is pretty much dust in the wind. Alberto Alonso spent the near entirety of last season on the shelf, and it's really hurt his physical and speed attributes. Still, he's second choice now.....

Prospects.

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Damn it! He's already on the way to being a monster! It's a real shame he can't even play until next February.....


 

Spoiler'd that, there's a lot of images going on......

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Haven't posted, but I've been reading through the thread over time, great stuff. 

 

Thought I'd share and get your thoughts on this Bilbao youth I plucked. 

 

I'm somewhat new to the game, this is my first year, and I know he has some clear issues (Natural Fitness the big negative, but hasn't been an issue as of yet because I have a very deep midfield), but I thought I'd try my luck w/ this regen from Bilbao I'd been eyeing for a couple of years. 

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Missed this thread before. Decent job. :D

I'm a bit surprised that when I reached the end there wasn't any news message saying, "Bayonne lift the Champions League". What's going on? Bored with FM?

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On 3/14/2017 at 16:04, McCaigBro69 said:

Haven't posted, but I've been reading through the thread over time, great stuff. 

 

Thought I'd share and get your thoughts on this Bilbao youth I plucked. 

 

I'm somewhat new to the game, this is my first year, and I know he has some clear issues (Natural Fitness the big negative, but hasn't been an issue as of yet because I have a very deep midfield), but I thought I'd try my luck w/ this regen from Bilbao I'd been eyeing for a couple of years. 

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Jeez! He's fantastic! I wouldn't worry too much about natural fitness, long as he's not injury prone or picking up a lot of suspensions he'll be fine. Though he might not keep at the top level into his late 30's, as Man City you shouldn't be worrying about 10+ years away.

8 hours ago, noikeee said:

Missed this thread before. Decent job. :D

I'm a bit surprised that when I reached the end there wasn't any news message saying, "Bayonne lift the Champions League". What's going on? Bored with FM?

Just distracted with the new Zelda game at the moment, I'll be back at it soon enough.

6 hours ago, nie jem frytek said:

Too much success too soon is my guess.

Not at all, I'm quite enjoying that I haven't yet managed to chase PSG down, though we're getting closer.

 

The only annoyance I have with FM at the moment is that I can't find a skin that I'm 100% happy with.

 

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So, after a few weeks away to save the world from a giant angry pigman from a desert paradise that's otherwise exclusively made up of seven foot tall women, we return to action.....

So, when we left, it was the start of November 2022, with a team in a title challenge and doing surprisingly well in a real European group of death(Real Madrid, Liverpool, Porto), playing dynamic attacking football.

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Weirdly, we actually have a win and a draw with each team, and of all the teams to win away from home, it was in Madrid.

It's now December the 21st, last game of 2022 has been played and the season is at the midpoint. Not much has changed, we're top of the league, won our CL group and contending in both cups. Everything's rosy, except for some reason the football has been utterly dire..... and I have no idea why! Can't unlock teams, can't create good chances, frontline shooting wildly pointless shots, or beautiful passes to the opposition goalkeeper. Scraping by, when we had a real opportunity to capitalize on mistakes by PSG and Monaco and build a nice lead. In the last seven league games, we've dropped ten points.... :mad:

Perhaps time for a tactical shakeup, I'm concerned that my striker is isolated and could do with a player behind/beside him for link up as he's really a spearhead that's being used in a role that needs a more rounded player. I don't really have the players for a big tactical switch, though! Perhaps some kind of diamond or 3-5-2, though I'd struggle for both defensive CM's and CB's in a 3-5 back system. Also, I would love to play a system more interesting than a standard 4-3-3(or 4-1-2-2-1 DM Wide, or whatever the hell FM 17 calls it....).

Also, a bunch of my key players are being tapped up by bigger sides now and have chucked tantrums.

On the upside, we edge ever closer to the beginning of the legend of David Alonso.....

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He's still 15!

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Woohoo! Welcome back!

54 minutes ago, BoxToBox said:

... a desert paradise that's otherwise exclusively made up of seven foot tall women ...

Wait... Why exactly did you come back? Just how many restraining orders were taken out against you?

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7 minutes ago, ManUtd1 said:

Woohoo! Welcome back!

Wait... Why exactly did you come back? Just how many restraining orders were taken out against you?

My lawyer's great grandchildren will never have to work a day in their lives.

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Updates are a bit slow at the moment, due to a busy work schedule and junk, but the winter window has just finished, and it was more interesting than expected.

First off, our backup LB, Enrique Romo(who had the highest average rating so far this season), was picking up interest from Athletic, and Atletico..... the latter in the end offering an acceptable 15.5m and 50% of profit.

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Loosing such a beast isn't great, but I do think we end up winners in this scenario, as we activate a 5.2m release clause on a fellow on loan at Granada, from..... Atletico.

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Long term, I think this lad will be a cracking fullback, we had to offer more wages than I'd like to get him to sign on the spot, so Atletico couldn't offer him a contract to stay, but he has a 4.5 year deal with an option of another, which is excellent.

After that, feeling pretty flush with cash, I had a scout run the rule on two of Athletic's top prospects, and there was some interest.

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Josu looks a bit special, and is rapid, really excited about this lad. Had to hit a 3.8m release clause. If his vision grows nicely, we could have a real killer playmaker, and a long term replacement for Otegui.

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Igor is more of a rough diamond, and indeed, in this case Athletic were actually open to negotiations for a 3.8m deal(his release was 40m). I like that he already has some comfort at wingback, so he'll still be useful if I switch to a wingerless system.

Porto tried to buy Otegui off of us, but IIRC their bids topped out at around 12m, dripping in clause fees, nowhere near what I'd accept for a key player(so now he's throwing a tantrum, shame he's pretty undroppable). Juventus offered 32m cash for Ruben Sanz, and that one took some considering. I decided to stay my hand, if it were summer I'd have been more likely to accept and go for a rebuild, but mid title challenge would be madness to shake the first team up too much. Manchester City bid 9m for David Alonso...... but that was rejected out of hand, I'll fight tooth and nail to keep that lad forever.

Hopefully I'll reach youth intake day tonight.

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I am not allowed to give any more rep today but the quality is high in here and I've only just finished the 1st page. 

Credit as always to @BoxToBoxbut also to @Willigenburgfor honestly the best kits I have ever seen, (and I don't even like kits in FM). 

If anyone has skipped page 1, go back and look at the kits and press the green arrow. :applause:

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1 hour ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I am not allowed to give any more rep today but the quality is high in here and I've only just finished the 1st page. 

Credit as always to @BoxToBoxbut also to @Willigenburgfor honestly the best kits I have ever seen, (and I don't even like kits in FM). 

If anyone has skipped page 1, go back and look at the kits and press the green arrow. :applause:

Cheers!

Aye, the kits @Willigenburg made are absolutely exceptional.

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Holy **** Alonso is godlike.

32 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

2 year deal? if there isn't a +3 year clause on that then........ I'm not reading anymore. :lol:

But doesn't it say he got a optional 3 year extention to the deal in the contract's bonuses and clauses side? :lol: 

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33 minutes ago, Keano16 said:

Feels like we've been waiting decades! 

I know! This was the most exciting moment in the save yet.

33 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

2 year deal? if there isn't a +3 year clause on that then........ I'm not reading anymore. :lol:

Of course there is! I couldn't offer a longer deal than that 2 year one when he popped up, but good prospects always get a +3. First chance available, his deal will be extended, too, with another +3.

It was worth the wait too!

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Youngest goalscorer in Ligue Un history!

Sadly doesn't get youngest player, as apparently in the 70's 15 year olds were allowed to play....

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2 minutes ago, Benjoe said:

Holy **** Alonso is godlike.

But doesn't it say he got a optional 3 year extention to the deal in the contract's bonuses and clauses side? :lol: 

Aha! It does, I thought I might not have caught that in the screencap, sometimes it doesn't show all the clauses.

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Boy is my good luck charm! Not only scoring on his debut to seal a win(we were one up at the time), but the very next day, PSG lose their first game since November to leave us six points clear!

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Youth intake day has come, and it's been quite excellent!

We're still motoring in the league, but cut back to a four point lead on PSG, and I tanked the cups, as first team players badly needed rest time.

As for the meat of the update...

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It's deep! Three players I'm quite excited about. Also....

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This guy is the pick of the bunch according to the staff, and he looks the real deal, a potential monster of a keeper. Higher Positioning than I usually see in keepers from intakes, too.

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I'm not sure of this guy, but if he grows like his estimated PA we could have a tidy wingback on our hands.

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The second guy that I'm excited about, we don't even have reasonable holding mid depth in the first team, so he could be very important going forward. That concentration, though.... :(

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This is the third, a few issues, but could wind up a killer winger.

 

Few general notes, this is the first intake I've seen with a handful of 14 year olds. The main thing though, is I have two clubs that are supposed to send youth through my intakes, one Portugese, and one Italian, along with my manager being Irish/American and HOYD English. I wanted to see if players from these countries coming through with those nationalities would be part Basque. Not one has popped up though, 7 years of pure French/Basques. Oh well.

It's weird, even in the Faroes, the odd Irish or American popped up, and with youth recruiting affiliates sent players often.

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1 hour ago, BoxToBox said:

Few general notes, this is the first intake I've seen with a handful of 14 year olds. The main thing though, is I have two clubs that are supposed to send youth through my intakes, one Portugese, and one Italian, along with my manager being Irish/American and HOYD English. I wanted to see if players from these countries coming through with those nationalities would be part Basque. Not one has popped up though, 7 years of pure French/Basques. Oh well.

It's weird, even in the Faroes, the odd Irish or American popped up, and with youth recruiting affiliates sent players often.

I love getting 2nd Nationalities through the Youth Intake, (or even complete foreigners).

In my current (ISL) save I am in 2035 and I am a foreigner, (GIB), and although I have 1 foreign feeder club, (NOR), it's not the right relationship to benefit the Youth Intake. 

As a result I have only seen the foreign Nationalities come through. 

2016. (ENG)
2016. (ISL) (SRB)
2016. (SMR) (ITA)

2018 (ISL) (SRB)

2031 (BRA) (ISL)

2033 (ISL) (SRB)
2033 (POR)

2034 (POR)

That's everything. The Samarinese/Italian is down to me, (Well the Sammarinese part anyway), but there doesn't seem to be a link to the other Nations.


 

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36 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I love getting 2nd Nationalities through the Youth Intake, (or even complete foreigners).

In my current (ISL) save I am in 2035 and I am a foreigner, (GIB), and although I have 1 foreign feeder club, (NOR), it's not the right relationship to benefit the Youth Intake. 

As a result I have only seen the foreign Nationalities come through. 

2016. (ENG)
2016. (ISL) (SRB)
2016. (SMR) (ITA)

2018 (ISL) (SRB)

2031 (BRA) (ISL)

2033 (ISL) (SRB)
2033 (POR)

2034 (POR)

That's everything. The Samarinese/Italian is down to me, (Well the Sammarinese part anyway), but there doesn't seem to be a link to the other Nations.


 

In the Faroes it took me the longest time to get any foreigners other than the rare half-Dane, but once we were CL regulars they popped up at a nice clip.

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1 minute ago, BoxToBox said:

In the Faroes it took me the longest time to get any foreigners other than the rare half-Dane, but once we were CL regulars they popped up at a nice clip.

I think there is a link between rep and probability of foreigners, (and it differs depending on the foreigner Nation), but I also think that it's structure reputation as well as club reputation that plays a part. 

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Just now, Jimbokav1971 said:

I think there is a link between rep and probability of foreigners, (and it differs depending on the foreigner Nation), but I also think that it's structure reputation as well as club reputation that plays a part. 

Yeah, there's a lot going on with it, but right now we should be at the stage where the odd foreigner arrives. Even a Spanish Basque maybe? Though I have loads of them.

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3 minutes ago, BoxToBox said:

Yeah, there's a lot going on with it, but right now we should be at the stage where the odd foreigner arrives. Even a Spanish Basque maybe? Though I have loads of them.

I think you've hit the nail on the head, but is Spain loaded as a structure? I can't remember but I think it must be for all the players you've poached. 

Where the club is so close to the border, (as it is in this case), you would think that it should play a part, and it's certainly something that I'm counting on for my FM18 save in France. 

As it's something that I'm guessing SI would have to create manually for each club, I wonder if it has been missed in this instance because the club were of such a lowly rep. Maybe it might be easier to look at bigger French clubs on the borders and see what sort of Newgens they have been creating?

Monaco. Would hope to see the odd Italian and certainly Africans. 
Lyon. Swiss and Italian.
Marseille. African.
Toulouse. Spanish & Andorran.
Metz. Luxembourg, Swiss & Belgian.
Lille. Belgian and even Dutch.
Montpellier. African.
Bastia. Italian & African.

I wouldn't expect it to happen the whole time, but I would expect the game to have some sort of acknowledgement of this in exactly the same way that Irish, Welsh and Scots appear at English clubs and vice versa. 

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16 minutes ago, Jimbokav1971 said:

I think you've hit the nail on the head, but is Spain loaded as a structure? I can't remember but I think it must be for all the players you've poached. 

Where the club is so close to the border, (as it is in this case), you would think that it should play a part, and it's certainly something that I'm counting on for my FM18 save in France. 

As it's something that I'm guessing SI would have to create manually for each club, I wonder if it has been missed in this instance because the club were of such a lowly rep. Maybe it might be easier to look at bigger French clubs on the borders and see what sort of Newgens they have been creating?

Monaco. Would hope to see the odd Italian and certainly Africans. 
Lyon. Swiss and Italian.
Marseille. African.
Toulouse. Spanish & Andorran.
Metz. Luxembourg, Swiss & Belgian.
Lille. Belgian and even Dutch.
Montpellier. African.
Bastia. Italian & African.

I wouldn't expect it to happen the whole time, but I would expect the game to have some sort of acknowledgement of this in exactly the same way that Irish, Welsh and Scots appear at English clubs and vice versa. 

I definitely have Spain loaded down to the lowest default playable. I knew I'd be heavily reliant on Spanish castoffs, then poached players in the early to mid term.

Aye, we're almost within walking distance of some Spanish Basque towns, I'd imagine you could commute to training by bicycle. Definitely see plenty of Africans pop up in various French clubs, but I haven't been watching too closely.

I have also seen some French Basque show up at non-Basque clubs too.

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That's everything I have loaded right now, enough to keep Europe relatively interesting, but keep the game speed high.

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Hitting the closing stages of a stellar season.

Five games left in the league, and we're just after dragging 7 points clear of PSG. In Europe, a second leg dismantling of Basel leaves us in the Quarter Finals, against..... PSG. My record against Mourinho so far is dreadful, this won't help.

EDIT: In bad news, one of my backups, and one of my brightest prospects have had season ending injuries.

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17 minutes ago, ManUtd1 said:

Ugarte looks incredible. He's gong y2k be incredible, if he had enough room for growth. I'm very jealous.

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Not sure I understand, but I agree with ManUdt1 anyways!

Ugarte is very gong y2k!

2 hours ago, BoxToBox said:

Hitting the closing stages of a stellar season.

Five games left in the league, and we're just after dragging 7 points clear of PSG. In Europe, a second leg dismantling of Basel leaves us in the Quarter Finals, against..... PSG. My record against Mourinho so far is dreadful, this won't help.

EDIT: In bad news, one of my backups, and one of my brightest prospects have had season ending injuries.

Sounds promising with performances overall, and you'll just have to do like @noikeee and knock Mourinho off his perch!

Who was the kid who got hit? 

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