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I think you have hit the nail firmly on the head there....

A lot of the previous tactic makers were plug and play with no Team Talk instructions needed. But they are missing in action

All the more reason why we should appreciate the efforts of Mr Rosler!

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This is the best tactic that I have tried so far. Been experimenting a lot with my current save (Portsmouth first season in the Premiership) - replaying tough games multiple games with a range of tactics to get a feel for them. Not very scientific I know, but this tactic has won games where others couldn't even get in the game! Only problem is the save now feels a bit fake so need to start again!

The game is definitely different this year - no more winning the league with Newcastle first season! Many more games like the Southampton - Arsenal (4-nil) from a week or so ago where your team just doesn't perform on the day.

Change of mind set (expectations) needed to enjoy the game this year!

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Interesting.

Now i'm in the Premier League for the first time i can get choosy about my players and their attributes.

I've brought an Inside Forward in during the January window.

Old Inside Forward, 9 Finishing. 0 goals in 19 appearances.

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New Inside Forward. 15 finishing. 8 Goals in 10 appearances. (8 goals in 7 league games!)

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These are specialist roles requiring specialist players.

My left Inside Forward has only 10 finishing, i'm tracking a player with 17 acceleration and 18 finishing for next season :brock::brock::brock:

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I think you have hit the nail firmly on the head there....

A lot of the previous tactic makers were plug and play with no Team Talk instructions needed. But they are missing in action

It's also because a true plug and play tactic which is suited to any team you use it with is basically impossible to do nowadays. That's why you see, for example on site like fm-base, loads of supposedly plug and play tactics which only really work with specific teams/types of players. People then use them and get confused because the tactic works well for some and it's disastrous for others.

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Im having improvements since I changed a TI and a few PI's. Told the team to dribble less as players kept having the ball stolen off them when they'd had it too long every game (maybe my team is full of bad dribblers), I told my f9 to roam from position, seems to interact and move around my inside forwards a bit more now. I told my inside forwards to aim their crosses at the centre and even though the problem I had was too many shots from bad angles, I deselected shoot less often on all 3 players because it didn't appear to be doing its job. For me they now look a more dynamic trio. I've had 2 wins and 2 draws since and scored 8 goals (5 from inside forwards 3 from f9)

Next problem is tightening up the defence a little bit, just seem to concede very simple goals, usually tap ins from a cross.

Are you still having success with these changes? I tried them and had the benefits you mentioned. Small sample of games though

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Ok I'm back using this tactic! I did create my own tactic and to be fair, by my standards it was actually pretty good, but I didn't enjoy watching the team play half as much as I did with this tactic...

@ Starburst91, I've noticed playing against better opposition that the team does struggle with losing the ball more often, so maybe dribble less is worth having when facing bigger teams, I might give it a try :)

For those who're struggling with the tactic, make sure you've got your training set up, your doing the press conferences and saying the right things, don't allow your press conferences to influence your players in a bad way (complacency) and also make sure you take charge of team talks at all times and again, avoid complacency! Finally, make sure your inside forwards are the best you can find and as a bonus, make sure they're quick! Also make sure you have a strong attack minded CM for the CM(Atk) as this can help a lot and I'd also say having a good quality half back can help in those tough games.

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Quick question Mr Rosler; with the main weakness seemingly being balls over the top, have you experimented with more aggressive Sweeper Keeper duties? (Going to give it a go myself but curious if you have already tried it?)

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Are you still having success with these changes? I tried them and had the benefits you mentioned. Small sample of games though

I've only played 2 games since, beat bournemouth 2-1 so was on a run of 5 games without defeat, then it all went out the window at rotherham. lost 4-1, could've been 5-1 my keeper saved a penalty, but one of the goals they did score was also a penalty. Bit shellshocked lol, one of their strikers who didn't score seemed to be the cause of everything, think I need to step up my opposition instructions game, I have a scouting assignment to scout opposition but don't seem to be getting a mail through. Like MR U rosler says its more like a simulation than ever, so might have to stop being so lazy and do my job haha

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Quick question Mr Rosler; with the main weakness seemingly being balls over the top, have you experimented with more aggressive Sweeper Keeper duties? (Going to give it a go myself but curious if you have already tried it?)

Got to be honest, i haven't tried that.

Be interested to see how its implemented in game.

Would be great to see a keeper stationed on the edge of his penalty area sweeping up thru balls...... i can only image it would lead to disaster though, getting beaten for pace and leaving an empty net or getting lobbed from the halfway line :lol:

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Got to be honest, i haven't tried that.

Be interested to see how its implemented in game.

Would be great to see a keeper stationed on the edge of his penalty area sweeping up thru balls...... i can only image it would lead to disaster though, getting beaten for pace and leaving an empty net or getting lobbed from the halfway line :lol:

I'd say if it's lower leagues, then don't even think about touching it. I think it could work for a big club though as the keepers aren't as thick when it comes to things like that.

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I think I'm struggling on the iPad with this tactic because the lack of control FMT allows you - no press conferences, no team talks etc - meaning that there is a big absence of being able to get things working.

I've found that if my IF Right has an off day then we simply don't score goals. If he does its Christmas.

The FMT implementation this year is poor I think. Doesn't really feel like it's been thought about other than a port when FMC 15 was spot on.

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I also play FMT and there you have to be much more tactically astute, given all the interaction is removed. It sounds ridiculous given the fact FMT is supposed to be a more casual, streamlined version (at least that's the general perception), but you can't keep the morale up by figuring out team talks and player interaction.

I'm fine with that since team and player interaction are poorly implemented in full FM, but that also means plug and play tactics like this won't really work in the long run. When your striker is on a dry spell, you can't talk to him so the only way to fix the situation is to play him until he scores. As Walrus said, by that time it's Christmas.

I've tried all Rosler's tactics this year and I think they take things as far as it's possible when it comes to "plug and play". However, none of them holds up in the long run on FMT because if you don't touch tactics and don't have team/player interaction, you're basically doing nothing and praying things would improve. That's not how you're successful in FM. :)

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Hello Mr Rosler

Great to start playing FM16 and in large part using your tactics. Started up with Coventry City using your first tactic then switching to the current tactic after the update. Will post a more in-depth update when season one is completed but so far like others have found the tactic is very good but it helps to have the very best players you can obtain.

January has allowed me to get some good players in on loan and I am now in February challenging for an automatic promotion.

I am often dominating possesion but as others have found it can be frustrating to lose or draw after dominating a match.

Big thank you to yet another good tactic that is very well presented.

EDIT: Also finding that Fleck playing in the right of the two centre midfield players is very influential.

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I am wondering. Could the IF's be replaced by any striker role? I am curious about this tactic, and how all you guys write about it, but my problem is that I don't (almost) any wingers in my squad, as I have been playing a three striker formation lately.

So, do you think this formation would transfer well into a three striker formation?

What roles for SC would be the most similar to the AMR/L's IF?

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The Striker Role is an odd one on this tactic.

I kept wondering why mine don't score many goals, I had an injury crisis and no Attacking Midfield/Left available so i was forced to play an out of form Striker in that position, he'd not scored for 8 games.

Sure enough, even though he has no positional awareness for the AML position he scored 2 goals in his first game and then a goal in every game for the next 5 games.

I think you need a shift in mentality before you get the best out of this Tactic, your Inside Forwards are your FINISHERS and your F9 is their FOIL, creating space for and playing in your Inside Forwards.

I've stopped expecting my F9 to score and have shifted my focus onto the Inside Forwards as my main goalscorers.

In other words the Inside Forwards ARE your Strikers.

I'm going to experiment with a purely creative False 9. Passing, Vision, Flair and Off the ball (not finishing) to see if that can bring even more out of the Inside Forwards.

Re Trained Strikers might be the best options for the AMR/AML positions unless you can find Naturals who are great finishers (which are rare and expensive).

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evening,

thanks for the tactic, it is pretty decent at home, however I can just not win away. I have now played 10 games this season, won 5 at home and drawn 1 lost 4 away. with thelosses away from home being by 3 goals!!

any tips?

thanks

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Hello Mr Rosler

Great to start playing FM16 and in large part using your tactics. Started up with Coventry City using your first tactic then switching to the current tactic after the update. Will post a more in-depth update when season one is completed but so far like others have found the tactic is very good but it helps to have the very best players you can obtain.

January has allowed me to get some good players in on loan and I am now in February challenging for an automatic promotion.

I am often dominating possesion but as others have found it can be frustrating to lose or draw after dominating a match.

Big thank you to yet another good tactic that is very well presented.

EDIT: Also finding that Fleck playing in the right of the two centre midfield players is very influential.

It's all gone horribly wrong.

But no obvious fault of Mr Roslers tactic.

Last day of the season top of the league on goal difference. Playing second in the league in the last game, four teams on similar points. 35 minutes in I get a man sent off, but manage to draw 1-1. Results elsewhere of against us, I finish 3rd.

Half time in my playoff semi final first leg, 4-0 down. No idea where this result has come from. Pretty much out of it now. Epically annoying.

Throughout the season I have had games where I have dominated and yet lost but this must be the first time I have been hammered 4-0 at half time.

I HATE PLAY OFFS

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Now trying Tianxia at the moment with Benfica. 17 matches and 1st place, 5 points more than the 2nd placed team. Only 1 really bad match vs Atlético in the CL, where they beat us 5-0. Other CL matches had their ups and downs. With only 7 points out of 6 matches, I am now in the EL. Attackingwise, my Benfica team is not playing as beautiful as when I used Tweebier's tactic with Santos, but it is more than decent at the moment. So far I won 6 in a row; played 9 in a row without losing; and had 5 in a row with clean sheets for my goalkeeper, so I am sticking with this for the moment. I hope this tactic can give me my first promotion/championship in FM2016.

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Trying it with Man Utd but somehow i'm not creating much or even any CCC.

Would it works if i change the CM support and attack to box to box and AP (A)?

Get Kevin Volland for AMR, absolute assist beast. Use Memphis Depay for AML, absolute goalscoring beast :)

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Centre Backs

One of the advantages of having a tactic with a clear weakness is that we can take steps to mitigate that weakness.

In this case it is balls over the top so to get the best out of the tactic we need quick, mobile Centre Backs who can both anticipate danger before it materialises and sniff it out at source or in a worst case scenario have a chance to get back and make a recovery tackle.

We can ditch the lumbering behemoths of yesteryear in favour of a more modern, mobile footballing Centre Back.

Seems that this is key to a good season; Started season with a couple of good DC's, although quite average pace and acceleration, and performed ok in the first half of the season.

Bought in a couple of 'sprinters' in January, who were on a par quality-wise with what I already had, and the improvement in results and performances has been very noticeable and I'm now mounting a late title charge :)

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Been trying this out from just before the summer break in Norway with my Tromso side. The first game i used the tactic with was the highlighted Haugesund match.

I've obviously not played it til it is fully fluid (especially now after my 5 summer signings :mad:). Once again its just getting my players to gel together and with the tactic. The only downside is how sloppy the goals are, even with decently accelerated central defenders. BUT i cant argue cause I'm 3rd.

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But as always, i will be sticking with it to give it a majority of the season.

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Im Luton in 2025, in the BPL I survived my first using your last tactic (just) and then changed to this one for my second season in the BPL and really struggled, was bottom of the league then a late push at the end of the season seen me climb to 13th. Third season I took in an improved CB with much more pace and two wingers/inside forwards with high finishing (previous wingers had 10 finishing) and i've had a brilliant start to the season. 10 games in and I have only lost one game. Was top of the league for a short period but a few draws have seen me slip to 4th/5th but wins over Chelsea (last years champions) and Man United (currently top of the league). The right players really make this tactic what it is.

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couple of problems im having with this tactic, first one was the amount of yellow cards you would get, i was getting 4-5 a game and ashley cole for me had 15 yellows after 18 games!! decided to get rid of 'get stuck in' and just left it blank, that seems to have done the trick and i didn't see to much of a difference in the way we played. Now conceding goals is my problem. The teams i am playing against aren't getting many shots a game, maybe 5-8 shots a game for the weaker teams then anywhere from 5-12 against bigger teams, which is fine. But they'll basically score 1 in 2 of the shots on target which is extremely frustrating! im conceding 2-3 goals a game, mainly from over the top goals or a player just losing concentration and leaving a player free to score, how can i stop this from happening?

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I am trialling a few different formations within the same framework to try and improve the goalscoring.

I'm starting to dislike the IF's shooting into the keeper on an angle at the near post, think we would have a better conversion rate with more 'head on' chances.

Trying to work 2 strikers into the tactic.

Tried a 442 this morning, goalscoring is better but without the HB its too open and we give away too many good chances.

At work now but later i will try my trusty old 4132.

Might not work but worth a go.

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I am trialling a few different formations within the same framework to try and improve the goalscoring.

I'm starting to dislike the IF's shooting into the keeper on an angle at the near post, think we would have a better conversion rate with more 'head on' chances.

Trying to work 2 strikers into the tactic.

Tried a 442 this morning, goalscoring is better but without the HB its too open and we give away too many good chances.

At work now but later i will try my trusty old 4132.

Might not work but worth a go.

I'll look out for it but mate you've come up trumps for my beloved Stockport once again. I've tried loads of tactics without success this year then I gave this a go. Took your advice and dropped the defensive line, dropped play out from the back and dropped get stuck in. Won the league in my first season! Took the advice of another poster too and looked at pace acceleration determination and decisions to add to a good squad for this tactic. Really pleased. Would I be best in your opinion keeping the tactic the same in conference national or adding the instructions back in which I took out?

Thanks in advance.

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I'll look out for it but mate you've come up trumps for my beloved Stockport once again. I've tried loads of tactics without success this year then I gave this a go. Took your advice and dropped the defensive line, dropped play out from the back and dropped get stuck in. Won the league in my first season! Took the advice of another poster too and looked at pace acceleration determination and decisions to add to a good squad for this tactic. Really pleased. Would I be best in your opinion keeping the tactic the same in conference national or adding the instructions back in which I took out?

Thanks in advance.

Nice one.

Good to see the mighty Stockport on the rise!

I'd carry on with your tweaked tactic in the National.

Probably League 1 before i'd think about switching to the original.

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I am trialling a few different formations within the same framework to try and improve the goalscoring.

I'm starting to dislike the IF's shooting into the keeper on an angle at the near post, think we would have a better conversion rate with more 'head on' chances.

Trying to work 2 strikers into the tactic.

Tried a 442 this morning, goalscoring is better but without the HB its too open and we give away too many good chances.

At work now but later i will try my trusty old 4132.

Might not work but worth a go.

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Make it work please Mr Rosler. it's always been a favourite of mine as well.

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Make it work please Mr Rosler. it's always been a favourite of mine as well.

It should be good in theory, Wingbacks (in DL/DR) with loads of space to run into are pretty powerful on this ME.

We should control midfield with 4 players there, a False 9 with someone a bit more disciplined in front of him should be effective.

I ran a trial with it early on this patch and it was pretty good but i binned it as it was prone to longshots, but that was before i was comfortable liberally using 'shoot less often' on attacking players.

Failing that i'll run a 41212 diamond to see how that goes.

Nothing wrong with the exisiting 41221 but after 100's of games with it something fresh would be nice + i think we can convert more of those good chances.

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Oh, and I wanted to ask about offensive set pieces routines. I am playing on my iPad, and have recreated (or at least tried to) Tianxia successfully, but I very really score from set pieces. Is this true for you guys as well?

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I'll look out for it but mate you've come up trumps for my beloved Stockport once again. I've tried loads of tactics without success this year then I gave this a go. Took your advice and dropped the defensive line, dropped play out from the back and dropped get stuck in. Won the league in my first season! Took the advice of another poster too and looked at pace acceleration determination and decisions to add to a good squad for this tactic. Really pleased. Would I be best in your opinion keeping the tactic the same in conference national or adding the instructions back in which I took out?

Thanks in advance.

Let us know how you get on in the National. I was using this tactic without the "LLM tweak", won the North easily, then first season in the National almost got into playoffs, but the third season it all fell apart. About 20 games played, I was on the brink of relegation zone and that was the end of the save.

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Let us know how you get on in the National. I was using this tactic without the "LLM tweak", won the North easily, then first season in the National almost got into playoffs, but the third season it all fell apart. About 20 games played, I was on the brink of relegation zone and that was the end of the save.

Seems to be a lot like the way my save games went so far... :lol::thup:

I started with Ipswich (Mr Rosler's first tactic) but got sacked. Got another job in the Championship, but got frustrated, so deleted the save game.

Tried with Evian, and started pretty well, but got sacked again.

Tried Tweebier's tactic at Santos, which performed outstandingly the first 20 matches, but got sacked again after 10 matches that were not good.

And now playing my 4th save game in FM16 with Mr Rosler's Tianxia and do very well with Benfica. I hope to win my first league title.

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Haha yeah, I've tried MR Rosler's tactics in a few different LLM saves and they all work really well up until a certain point (be it a few months or seasons in) when everything falls apart. You get into a slump and there's no way out of it; morale plummets, AI teams score as usual, while your players miss whatever they manage to create.

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It should be good in theory, Wingbacks (in DL/DR) with loads of space to run into are pretty powerful on this ME.

We should control midfield with 4 players there, a False 9 with someone a bit more disciplined in front of him should be effective.

I ran a trial with it early on this patch and it was pretty good but i binned it as it was prone to longshots, but that was before i was comfortable liberally using 'shoot less often' on attacking players.

Failing that i'll run a 41212 diamond to see how that goes.

Nothing wrong with the exisiting 41221 but after 100's of games with it something fresh would be nice + i think we can convert more of those good chances.

That's my biggest problem at the minute, scoring. I need to out score my opponents as for some reason they always bury their chances. Whether that is with their only 2 shots on target to go 2-0 up or what.

I almost exclusively use your tactics now, i have done i think since '14? When i managed to get my Grasshoppers to the champions league final.

So looking forward to whatever you put out next, and as always thanks for everything you do.

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I am trialling a few different formations within the same framework to try and improve the goalscoring.

I'm starting to dislike the IF's shooting into the keeper on an angle at the near post, think we would have a better conversion rate with more 'head on' chances.

Trying to work 2 strikers into the tactic.

Tried a 442 this morning, goalscoring is better but without the HB its too open and we give away too many good chances.

At work now but later i will try my trusty old 4132.

Might not work but worth a go.

Playing with a 4132, very similar to your FM14 version, with Wolves and currently overachieving a lot. :thup:

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Couldn't get the 4132 firing, the diamond was a bit better, the 442 was the most promising but in the end none of them were as consistant as the current tactic.

I tried counter version of the tactic, dropped the Dline, up the tempo, mixed passing to try and do to the AI what it does to us, ie invite pressure then counter hoping our chance conversion rate would increase, had some good games but again in some games the AI teams convert a high proportion of their chances.

Back to square one.

Not overly concerned as have improved my league postion every year with this tactic, 13th in my 1st season in Prem, currently 10th in my second season only 3 points off 6th.

Having said that there are certain things i no longer like, too much dribbling, holding onto the ball too long, build up play can be to elaborate, balls over the top etc.

Will probably revise the existing tactic along the following lines.

Make Striker main goalscorer

Higher Tempo

Drop the Dline

Slightly more direct

F9 and IF's will likely be new roles.

All of which will cost us some possession but as long as we're in the 55-60% area that will be fine.

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Finished my first full season with Benfica. Ended 1st place, with 78 points. Lost in the Europa League finals vs Tottenham. I had some difficult matches (where I desperately needed some goals, so I switched to counter or all out attack) but in the end, most matches were won. All in all not dominating, but strong enough for now. Let's see if I can buy some real good players for next year.

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Hi Mr Rosler when will the revised version be out? I've done quite good for 2 seasons winning both Northern Irish leagues until i reached the premiership which isn't a great step up but i've been pretty bad all season and about to be relegated despite dominating possession and even chances at home but still unluckily losing. Away however no matter the the opponent they always seem to score in the first 15mins most of the time and i can never get back in the game.

I appreciate all your work keep it up!

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I have to say this tactic seems to be doing the business Mr U Rosler :) You know I am a fan of your tactics, this is one of your best from what i've seen of it so far ;)

Just following up with what I said previously.

Last night I won League 2 with Mansfield, predicted mid-table and I didn't have many players over 2.5 stars. I also won the JPT knocking out 3 L1 teams in the process. Absolutely destroyed one of them 4-0 in the final!

I didn't lose a league game for the first 31 games. Eventually lost 1-0 to an own goal in a match i totally dominated.

I am using the untweaked version, but occassionally tweak it during the games if I see the need.

If I am dominating and not scoring I change to Control or Attacking and try to nick a goal.

Once again you have worked wonders Mr U Rosler :)

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