Swindon69 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 There are a few issues that bug me i.e. defending is poor, stupid back passes going out for corners, opposition players with a first touch of 5 or less being constantly able to kill the ball stone dead, too many long shot goals frequently scored by players with an 8 or less rating etc. This last point being displayed in the match I'm cuurently playing where a players done this twice, his long shot rating 8 and all his technical skills being 9 or less! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoRobbo Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I'm sorry, I know I'm being pedantic here, but it doesn't matter what nationality you are, how intelligent you are - as long as you are over the age of 8 - there is absolutely no excuse for spelling the word SEGA wrong THREE times! The spelling is on here, it's on the case of every SEGA game you have ever played, aswell as appearing before the game starts on EVERY SEGA game you have ever played! could it be possible that he was joining SI and SEGA together. SIGA? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 8, 2009 Administrators Share Posted December 8, 2009 The game's alright, i'll probs buy FM 2011. I don't play as much as I used to though. I used to hammer CM 01/02 day and night. FM has become far too complex and thus less enjoyable. I do find it annoying that when someone complains about the game they're told to shut up moaning etc...They've paid their money and are entitled to voice their opinion on it. For what it's worth, I think it's criminal releasing a game that is nowhere complete. Not everyone has an internet connection and are able to download patches. I also have a bit of a gripe with the researches aswell. Some of the mistakes are absolutely shocking. Chris Cohen having 10 England caps for instance and Dele Adebola having 1 cap for Nigeria...Absolutely staggering that that kind of data was on the completed, boxed version. Thanks for bringing up these two data issues - but to say the game is nowhere complete I have to disagree with. The majority of people can certainly play the game from boxed without issues - we choose to patch our game and try to provide fairly comprehensive community support because we very much care about our community and the game. We certainly want people to have the best playing experience they possibly can. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpoolfan Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would actually like to see how many people say "im not buying the next version of fm" and then a year later have actually gone and bought it and said the same thing.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddymunster Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I would actually like to see how many people say "im not buying the next version of fm" and then a year later have actually gone and bought it and said the same thing.. My guess would be in excess of 90% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashback790 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 My guess would be in excess of 90% I would say 97% myself, having problems myself, looking forward to throwing myself into a career game in a couple of weeks when the patch is released. But I will not be buying FM11......till the 2nd patch......probably.........maybe on release day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AG7 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I won't buy until I hear on the forums things are sorted after a number of patches, as this is the norm until the game is in its finalised state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rednwhites Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Thanks for bringing up these two data issues - but to say the game is nowhere complete I have to disagree with. The majority of people can certainly play the game from boxed without issues - we choose to patch our game and try to provide fairly comprehensive community support because we very much care about our community and the game. We certainly want people to have the best playing experience they possibly can. Yes, I must apologise for the phrase 'nowhere near complete'. That was a bit of an exaggeration. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NepentheZ Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Not really, the forum will always make it look like there are loads of problems because those without problems don't post them Exactly this. And the reason people rarely post saying just how good it is, is because they get dubbed "fanboys". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Exactly this. And the reason people rarely post saying just how good it is, is because they get dubbed "fanboys". Either that or the thread gets closed so as "not to antagonise people who are having problems" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoham Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Me. I've played this game in its various iterations since 1994 and this version is one of the biggest disappointments I've come across. I can't get extra files to load, it was as slow as hell, and having to play through steam all the time is a nightmare.Game was uninstalled this morning. Something's not right there as extra files definitely work, you might have to clear the cache. Te game is quicker than previous versions. You also don't have to use steam, I don't and I know others don't. When installing choose advanced/custom (can't remember what it's called) and choose the other installation option rather than steam. It does mean having to have the DVD in the drive, but then you don't have to bother with steam. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Thats your loss then mate. Im so sick of people complaining about this game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nev147 Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 Newgens have not been neglected, much work has been done on it, and quite a lot of the complaints we've seen so far have actually been without anything to back them up. If you have an issue please log it in the bugs forum and we'll of course look into it. Thanks. I disagree that people have not backed up their opinions- just look at the 9-10 seasons in newgen threads in both the bugs forum and general discussion which I am sure you are aware of. The evidence is plainly there. Don't forget that the evidence is provided by people in their spare time and it does take alot af time and effort to do this and they do it out of the goodness of their heart for no financial reward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grade Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Thats your loss then mate. Im so sick of people complaining about this game. The thing is Grimoz, sick or not, like it or not, they have that right! But i agree there is complaining and then there is exaggeration. Still there a few of the "defenders" of the Fm games (at least since Fm08) that don't help at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashback790 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Thats your loss then mate. Im so sick of people complaining about this game. Ahhhh yes, the usual 'go away and leave my holy grail and the reason I haven't got a girlfriend alone' response from an SI defender there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Ahhhh yes, the usual 'go away and leave my holy grail and the reason I haven't got a girlfriend alone' response from an SI defender there. FM is my holy grail, i play it all the time. I also have a wife and kids so it is possible to balance both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Dire Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Not really, the forum will always make it look like there are loads of problems because those without problems don't post them Agreed most people on forums are their to vent their rage. A huge percentage of people who have FM10 are busy playing it and all my mates say it is the best one since CM01/02. I don't play as much as I used to though. I used to hammer CM 01/02 day and night. That was a legendary game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ridergirl09 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I can't speak for the entire company but I doubt it's financially viable to take such a strategy. Also to be honest, I'm not certain time is the biggest factor in terms of testing and getting the game 'better' - a number of the issues which have only been discovered after release are due to the number of different set-ups and systems. It's almost impossible for us to cover every single possible setup of users - even with an extensive Beta with a number of users some issues evaded us.Plus do you think people would accept only having an FM once every two years? How do you feel fans of Fifa or Pro Evo would take to that? heres an idea, why not design a new code or use the one you have now but test it over say a three year period whilst releasing fm as per every year, then in three years time after intensive testing you might have the perfect game, you make your money releasing an fm each year using the old code but at the same time you have been testing the new code for a long period just like the 3d, please shut me up if im jabbering but is this not possible:confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimoz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Ahhhh yes, the usual 'go away and leave my holy grail and the reason I haven't got a girlfriend alone' response from an SI defender there. Hey mate im married with kids so dont confuse me with yourself!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualitystreet Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I will wait to see the solution on the Crash Dump problem before I make any further purchases. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted December 10, 2009 I disagree that people have not backed up their opinions- just look at the 9-10 seasons in newgen threads in both the bugs forum and general discussion which I am sure you are aware of. The evidence is plainly there. Don't forget that the evidence is provided by people in their spare time and it does take alot af time and effort to do this and they do it out of the goodness of their heart for no financial reward. As I said, quite a lot (not all) have been unsubstantiated - we always take everything our community say into account and very very much appreciate anyone who takes the time to post an issue on our forums. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I'd be interested to see what issues have been unsubstantiated. True that not everyone articulates their points well but in my opinion the vast majority of issues have been acted on by SI. I'm yet to see many reported issues that don't turn out to be issues - even when not a great deal of evidence is produced!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Leeds_Leeds! Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 One comment I noticed on the forums about FM2010 which was totally ignored despite it's importance was that FM2010 was tested extensively and the final test produced an almost perfect game, this was said by a tester himself... He then went on to say that when the game was released he felt the game had taken a massive step backwards from the final demo he had tested. Very strange, could you explain that Neil please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I'd imagine that it's a case of, as has been stated on numerous occasions, the seemingly unpredictable nature of the impact that very minor changes can cause. That is one of the main reasons why patches can take a long time to be released.. I don't really know what else could cause it - perhaps just that it stood up very well as a WIP but then seemed a tiny bit short as a polished product. :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Asprilla_ Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 One comment I noticed on the forums about FM2010 which was totally ignored despite it\'s importance was that FM2010 was tested extensively and the final test produced an almost perfect game, this was said by a tester himself...He then went on to say that when the game was released he felt the game had taken a massive step backwards from the final demo he had tested. Very strange, could you explain that Neil please? Is this true? If so who wrote that particular post? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DP Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Is this true? If so who wrote that particular post? I wouldn't pay much attention to this. If he was a tester of course he is going to deflect attention way by saying it was a different version. SI are not doing this on purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted December 10, 2009 One comment I noticed on the forums about FM2010 which was totally ignored despite it's importance was that FM2010 was tested extensively and the final test produced an almost perfect game, this was said by a tester himself...He then went on to say that when the game was released he felt the game had taken a massive step backwards from the final demo he had tested. Very strange, could you explain that Neil please? Yeah if you can find the quote then I'd be interested in seeing it. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Can I also ask a question on this thread, rather than start a new one? I read in another thread somewhere than when you turn your PC off at night, all form is lost and in the next time you load up FM you start from scratch. I'm pretty sure this can't be true, but I'm getting a problem that resembles it. I was playing really well last night, then I turn on this morning and...BANG 6-0 defeat, this was against Man Utd so pretty realistic. Then the next 3 game are huge defeats as well, all against teams at the bottom. Now this probably isn't a "bug" so to speak, but I'm sure it isn't anything tactical either, so whatever it is in the game that's doing this, does anyone know what, and should it be toned down a bit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted December 10, 2009 I'd be interested to see what issues have been unsubstantiated. True that not everyone articulates their points well but in my opinion the vast majority of issues have been acted on by SI.I'm yet to see many reported issues that don't turn out to be issues - even when not a great deal of evidence is produced!!! Yeah don't get me wrong, if something is reported we'll look into it, it's just when people say stuff like "there are no good newgens in the game at all!" and stuff like that it gets a bit repetitive and frustrating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted December 10, 2009 Can I also ask a question on this thread, rather than start a new one?I read in another thread somewhere than when you turn your PC off at night, all form is lost and in the next time you load up FM you start from scratch. I'm pretty sure this can't be true, but I'm getting a problem that resembles it. I was playing really well last night, then I turn on this morning and...BANG 6-0 defeat, this was against Man Utd so pretty realistic. Then the next 3 game are huge defeats as well, all against teams at the bottom. Now this probably isn't a "bug" so to speak, but I'm sure it isn't anything tactical either, so whatever it is in the game that's doing this, does anyone know what, and should it be toned down a bit? It's one of those FM/CM myths that's been in the game for a long long time. There is certainly nothing in the code that would explain or cause this, but as testers it is something we've always scratched our heads at a bit. After looking at it, all we can say is it's just bad coincidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Asprilla_ Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I wouldn\'t pay much attention to this. If he was a tester of course he is going to deflect attention way by saying it was a different version.SI are not doing this on purpose. I suppose you have a point. SI certainly wouldnt do it on purpose. Just would be interesting to find out whether there was any substance in what he has said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Leeds_Leeds! Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Is this true? If so who wrote that particular post? Yes of course it is true, why would I lie? I don't have any vendetta against SI lol... I will try and remember the person who posted this and let you know but I can't remember off the top off my head. I remember the guy posting it and everyone just ignoring it as usual, instead choosing to get caught up in petty squabbles as per the norm on these forums. I don't see any reason why a tester, who is giving his time for free to help SI would say something like this if it wasn't true. He wasn't ranting or criticising the game, just stating what he knew. He obviously likes SI and the game and is obviously trusted by them as he is a tester so I would ignore what DP has put, seems he is assuming a lot, funny, you never see many assumptions on these forums..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deep Lying Playmaker Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 There is certainly nothing in the code that would explain or cause this, but as testers it is something we've always scratched our heads at a bit. After looking at it, all we can say is it's just bad coincidence. So the guy in that post could have had a point? EDIT: sorry I'm mixing the thread up a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Asprilla_ Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Yes of course it is true, why would I lie? I don\'t have any vendetta against SI lol...I will try and remember the person who posted this and let you know but I can\'t remember off the top off my head. I remember the guy posting it and everyone just ignoring it as usual, instead choosing to get caught up in petty squabbles as per the norm on these forums. I don\'t see any reason why a tester, who is giving his time for free to help SI would say something like this if it wasn\'t true. He wasn\'t ranting or criticising the game, just stating what he knew. He obviously likes SI and the game and is obviously trusted by them as he is a tester so I would ignore what DP has put, seems he is assuming a lot, funny, you never see many assumptions on these forums..... It just seems to hard to believe that a tester would say something of that nature publicly on the SI forum. He really is asking for touble isnt he, and I suppose you could say \"bye bye\" for testing FM11 next year! lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Leeds_Leeds! Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Yeah if you can find the quote then I'd be interested in seeing it. Cheers. Here it is, god that was annoying searching for it lol.... Anyway I don't know if the guy did test or didnt, I didn't get round to asking him really I just saw the post when browsing through the forums as I usually do. Would be interesting to see if the guy is lying or if what he says about being a tester is true. The post is by BlackTiger and it is the 13th post on the thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Asprilla_ Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Here it is, god that was annoying searching for it lol....Anyway I don\'t know if the guy did test or didnt, I didn\'t get round to asking him really I just saw the post when browsing through the forums as I usually do. Would be interesting to see if the guy is lying or if what he says about being a tester is true. The post is by BlackTiger and it is the 13th post on the thread. Wow. He was a beta tester and not in-house tester. However, it is odd. Thing is he seems very happy to have a good ol poke at the game in a lot of his posts and this also appears a little odd to me if he was involved with the beta testing. Anyhow we will see what the mods make of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Leeds_Leeds! Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Can I also ask a question on this thread, rather than start a new one?I read in another thread somewhere than when you turn your PC off at night, all form is lost and in the next time you load up FM you start from scratch. I'm pretty sure this can't be true, but I'm getting a problem that resembles it. I was playing really well last night, then I turn on this morning and...BANG 6-0 defeat, this was against Man Utd so pretty realistic. Then the next 3 game are huge defeats as well, all against teams at the bottom. Now this probably isn't a "bug" so to speak, but I'm sure it isn't anything tactical either, so whatever it is in the game that's doing this, does anyone know what, and should it be toned down a bit? Love this post btw. I often have a good run of form and think, no way am I going to bed now cos I have an important match coming up lol... I then give in to tiredness and switch my pc back on then lose the bloody game despite being on great form before I switched off my pc. I always thought the game was cheating lol, damn thing!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeds_Leeds_Leeds! Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Wow. He was a beta tester and not in-house tester. However, it is odd.Thing is he seems very happy to have a good ol poke at the game in a lot of his posts and this also appears a little odd to me if he was involved with the beta testing. Anyhow we will see what the mods make of it. Yeah thats the only thing I noticed about it, one minute he is having a right go at the game and the next he is saying he is a tester....fishy to say the least but worth asking the question I guess?! Edit: Give me his testing job Mr Brock lol, with my keen eye for spotting things (as you have just seen) I'd be great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Asprilla_ Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Yeah thats the only thing I noticed about it, one minute he is having a right go at the game and the next he is saying he is a tester....fishy to say the least but worth asking the question I guess?!Edit: Give me his testing job Mr Brock lol, with my keen eye for spotting things (as you have just seen) I\'d be great Definitely worth flagging it up..........well done Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualitystreet Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 The v10.1.1 patch CLAIMS to do the following: "Fixed the game running out of memory when entering a match for some users" It doesn't. Interestingly enough I have never had a problem with the regens, simply because I have never got that far into a game without a crash dump. I have never got past October in the game without this happening, having played a career in England (twice), Russia and Germany. In the six weeks since its release I cannot actually tell whether its a good game or not. I know that the disk makes a good (albeit expensive) coffee cup coaster but thats as far as it goes. The second patch is critical for me - Whether this gets binned or not. However, more than complain on this forum, you need to spead the word far and wide, as many people/forums/reviews as your search engine can find - in as many countries. As its only when profits get hit and staff start losing their jobs that SI will take the situation seriously and provoke them into producing a working game. I would also encourage people who say they will not buy the next products to stick to it. In a poll on this page there is a roughly 1/3 split of people who cannot play this game, if there was to be a refusal to buy any more bug-riddled games what impact would that have on sales across the whole community? The younger generation are more keen to play action games like FIFA/PES than logic based games such as FM, you cannot take new custom for granted, older people will run out of patience with the bugs or get married/grow out of it. People who say they will buy the next game despite the known and aknowledged problem send a message to SI saying that they, as consumers, are willing to accept shoddy-products. This is meant to be a 'polished' product?!? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WingFm Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 the game is fine just little things are buggy, i defo buy fm11 your complaining bcos maybe you dont know how to play the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lutontown1991 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 after playing on fm10 and seeing its huge bugs and faults, i will not be buying the next version.The Forum on here is really summing up what a total disaster this game is. How many others out there feel the same? You will end up buying FM2011 trust me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 the game is fine just little things are buggy, i defo buy fm11your complaining bcos maybe you dont know how to play the game? Welcome to the forums That is probably one of the most spot on posts i have seen. Apart from the crash thing, which SI say IS only affecting a minority, all the other bugs people are reporting are just little things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Welcome to the forums That is probably one of the most spot on posts i have seen. Apart from the crash thing, which SI say IS only affecting a minority, all the other bugs paople are reporting are just little things. I've been saying that for days. Welcome from me too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
baker.simon Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I've been saying that for days. Welcome from me too. Aye, the bandwagon must be struggling with all them people jumping on it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qualitystreet Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 the game is fine just little things are buggy, i defo buy fm11your complaining bcos maybe you dont know how to play the game? My tactics are obviously causing Crash Dumps. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 10, 2009 Administrators Share Posted December 10, 2009 Keep it civil please everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwilko6 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I've been saying that for days. Welcome from me too. And you'll find I've been saying that since last week A welcome from me also Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hershie Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 And you'll find I've been saying that since last week A welcome from me also Yeah, I did think of changing 'days' - more like months. Or does it just seem it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
djwilko6 Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 Its only been out a month tho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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