runandjump Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 This is only the latest save i've had this gripe, but come on! I'm Liverpool: Carling Cup 3rd Round: Everton (when there were plenty teams from L1 and CH in the draw) Carling Cup 4th Round: Arsenal Carling Cup Quarter: Man United Carling Cup Semi: Chelsea FA Cup 3rd Round: Sunderland Champions League 1st Knockout Round: AC Milan I don't think i've ever had a L1 opposition in any cup draw...ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I've also been pretty unlucky with cup draws, with the exception of meeting Torquay of L1 in the FA Cup 4th round last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Was there not an issue reported about cup draws that was being looked into? Pretty sure I remember someone posting their cup draws over ten seasons and it showed that they were always given the biggest 'local' team. I.e. they were Liverpool and they nearly always got Man City, Man Utd, Everton, Tranmere etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Themistofelis Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 since the Greek league first appeared in CM (00/01 IIRC) i always play in the cup the team that i face next for the championship for example : 1.10- Iraklis (A) cup 5.10-Iraklis (H) GL 10.10-Iraklis (H) cup This must be a joke ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gumszy Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I always seem to get a prem team in all cup comps but if I am lucky enough 2 get a championship side it is the sides that have just been relegated the previous season hope they fix this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Was there not an issue reported about cup draws that was being looked into?Pretty sure I remember someone posting their cup draws over ten seasons and it showed that they were always given the biggest 'local' team. I.e. they were Liverpool and they nearly always got Man City, Man Utd, Everton, Tranmere etc. That was an issue early on that was fixed with a patch, I think it was 9.2.0. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerhgrrrrrr Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Must be a coincidence (I think Man Utd went 3 seasons without drawing a non-Prem team in the FAC), otherwise must be malicious coding rather than bug - just cannot see how a "bug" could emulate these scenarios. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livew1re Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 This is only the latest save i've had this gripe, but come on!I'm Liverpool: Carling Cup 3rd Round: Everton (when there were plenty teams from L1 and CH in the draw) Carling Cup 4th Round: Arsenal Carling Cup Quarter: Man United Carling Cup Semi: Chelsea FA Cup 3rd Round: Sunderland Champions League 1st Knockout Round: AC Milan I don't think i've ever had a L1 opposition in any cup draw...ever mine is exactly the same!! im liverpool and i ALWAYS get the hardest teams... ive never had an easy match. its sooo annoying, it MUST be a bug. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Doesn't look like it was fixed, then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlobben Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Drawing a big team in a cup is much more memorable than drawing some CC1-team. When thinking back the hard matches (and years where Chelsea kicked you out of the cup in 3rd round) is what you remember the best. It's easy to be fooled by your own memory when thinking back, and the year that you drew the big four one after the other doesn't really prove anything, other than your bad luck that year. Not saying that this isn't a "real" issue, but check and doublecheck the fixtures over a number of years before assuming there's something fishy going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Doesn't look like it was fixed, then. That particular bug caused the FA Cup draws to be regionalised throughout, it had nothing to do with tough draws. It was also fixed, even on save games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakers Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 In fact, I've just opened up my Blackburn save to check out the cup draws (latest patch); League Cup Round 2 - Bolton Round 3 - Man City Round 4 - Blackpool FA CUP Round 3 - Liverpool Round 4 - Everton or Man City Still looks fishy to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Has it been like that every season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 My FA Cup 3rd round draw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Ridiculous rant Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Braveheart Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 in my game i play arsenal got bradford for third round and coventry in fourth round in fa cup with nottingham forest in thrid round in league cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runandjump Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 Drawing a big team in a cup is much more memorable than drawing some CC1-team. When thinking back the hard matches (and years where Chelsea kicked you out of the cup in 3rd round) is what you remember the best. It's easy to be fooled by your own memory when thinking back, and the year that you drew the big four one after the other doesn't really prove anything, other than your bad luck that year. Not saying that this isn't a "real" issue, but check and doublecheck the fixtures over a number of years before assuming there's something fishy going on To be honest, i think that first bit is nonsense. I've played many different saves with teams from England (L1, Championship and Premiership) and Italy (Serie B and A) and always had this problem. So much so that it would be MUCH more 'memorable' for me to draw a side in a lower division. In fact, i'll go check a couple of my previous saves... Man City: (1st Season) Carling Cup 3rd Round: Sunderland Carling Cup 4th Round: Liverpool Carling Cup Quarter: Blackburn Spurs (1st Season) Carling Cup 3rd Round: Sunderland Carling Cup 4th Round: Arsenal Carling Cup Quarter: Blackburn (lost) FA Cup 3rd Round: Wigan FA Cup 4th Round: Arsenal FA Cup 5th Round: Aston Villa FA Cup 6th Round: Blackburn FA Cup Semi: Man City (lost) Spurs (2nd Season) Carling Cup 3rd Round: Wolves Torino (1st Season in Serie B) Italian Cup 3rd Qualifying round: Ascoli (Also in Serie B) Italian Cup 4th Qualifying Round: Cagliari (from Serie A) Lost Torino (2nd Season, got promoted to Serie A) Italian Cup 3rd Qualifying Round: Monza (Serie B) Italian Cup 4th Qualifying Round: Parma (Serie A) Italian Cup 1st Round: Fiorentian (lost) Torino (3rd Season) Italian Cup 3rd Qualifying Round: Taranto (ok, 1 non-league team) Italian Cup 4th Qualifying Round: Reggina (Serie A) Italian Cup 1st Round: Udinese (lost) So, after that very dull exercise, and a snapshot into a few of my saves, i think it's safe to say that i've been screwed over by the draw in pretty much every domestic cup competition, and believe me it's the same in all the saves i didn't go through a post here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 When managing Liverpool, I do get drawn away against Premiership teams an awful lot tbh, but I just grin and bear it. What else can you do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
runandjump Posted October 1, 2009 Author Share Posted October 1, 2009 When managing Liverpool, I do get drawn away against Premiership teams an awful lot tbh, but I just grin and bear it. What else can you do? Complain like a baby on internet forums a month before the new game is out and hope that there's enough time for the game makers to pander to everyone's individual whims? I know that's what i'd do! :D (Anyone not getting the sarcasm above can GTFO) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The Carling Cup 3rd round usually has a high proportion of PL teams in it, so an all PL tie is not that unusual. As for the FA Cup, here's who I have drawn in the 3rd round recently: 2035/36 - Cammel Laird - L2 2034/35 - Stoke - Ch 2033/34 - Chelsea - PL 2032/33 - Tottenham - PL 2031/32 - Preston - Ch 2030/31 - Millwall - Ch 2029/30 - Blackpool - Ch 2028/29 - Blackburn - Ch 2027/28 - Gainsborough - L1 2026/27 - WBA - Ch 2025/26 - Carlisle - Ch 2024/25 - Gateshead - BSN 2023/24 - Gillingham - Ch 2022/23 - Charlton - L1 2021/22 - Watford - Ch 2020/21 - Stockport - L1 Looks like a fairly decent spread to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Aja Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dafuge clearly just making it up as he goes along, thereby nullifying the OP's argument. safety wink Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
continentalmanager3 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Mine in my current save in the first season was FA Cup - Chelsea...away League Cup - Chelsea...away Champions League QF - Chelsea. Quite pathetic and very infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Dafuge clearly just making it up as he goes along, thereby nullifying the OP's argument.safety wink Nearly missed this and replied with a load of screenshots Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Mine in my current save in the first season wasFA Cup - Chelsea...away League Cup - Chelsea...away Champions League QF - Chelsea. Quite pathetic and very infuriating. But by posting this I assume you just want to share your fate with us, or do you actually think there is something wrong with the game? It should be obvious enough that this is not coded in any way, just chance. The people having streaks of luck just don't come on here to post it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly_flyer10 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 But by posting this I assume you just want to share your fate with us, or do you actually think there is something wrong with the game?It should be obvious enough that this is not coded in any way, just chance. The people having streaks of luck just don't come on here to post it. Its been proven there was something wrong with the game pre patch. I dont think its been fixed fully. It still never seemed right to me and certainly not a random team. Its obvious that you dont have a clue because it was coded that way and maybe still is coded that way. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobatwal Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Stop moaning Aston Villa Draw man United three years on the trot in the Cup IRL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Its been proven there was something wrong with the game pre patch. I dont think its been fixed fully.It still never seemed right to me and certainly not a random team. What do you think is wrong with it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The Carling Cup 3rd round usually has a high proportion of PL teams in it, so an all PL tie is not that unusual. CC 3rd round is seeded isn't it? Only noticed this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 CC 3rd round is seeded isn't it? Only noticed this season The 2nd round is, didn't think the 3rd round was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Its been proven there was something wrong with the game pre patch. I dont think its been fixed fully.It still never seemed right to me and certainly not a random team. Its obvious that you dont have a clue because it was coded that way and maybe still is coded that way. Watch your language, honey. It makes you look stupid when being wrong and you don't want that, do you? See above, as you said. There was a problem with draws pre patch. It is said to fixed and I haven't seen evidence that it isn't. Even if it wasn't fixed, the problem you talk about is completely unrelated to the issue of this thread. thus no need for screening the forum for evidence. The problem was that cup draws for some reason always tied local groups of teams together which was obviously a coding error. In here we talk about being drawn against strong opponents only. Oh, that's a hard fate. And how we cry when it happens. Yet, this thread contains no evidence that this is coded in the game. And if you ask me, that's for obvious reasons. It isn't. It just happens that you sometimes / some people always get hard teams to play against in cups. Others don't, end of story. Do you believe that if that was not an off thing to happen, as off as it was if it happened continously irl, this forum wouldn't have been full of posts about it for months and months? All those with easy draws or a usual mix don't come on here to post. So my point is, unless I see more evidence, this thread either contains a useless conspiracy theory or a useless whinge about oh how bad luck one can have with cup draws. In neither case I'm going to runandjump the bandwagon. As soon as someone gives me a reason to doubt that everything is fine with the cup draws in that respect, I'll happily support any claim for it to be fixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moaner Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm not one to moan (hehe) but I do think there is something pretty suspect about cup draws. Its got to the point where I can actually predict what kind of opponent I am going to be drawn against. For instance in the first round of the FA Cup I quickly scanned through the clubs in the draw and saw 90% could be seen as "good draws" in comparison to my team. However, against this 9/10 chance I get drawn AWAY against a top three L1 team (bearing in mind this is the highest league in Round 1). Ok they wern't top but on futher inspection they had the best home record in the league by far. This is just one example but as I said now, before cup draws, I have a look round for what could be seen as the worst case draws based on form and league position and it is nearly always one of these teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
damienroden Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 The 2nd round is, didn't think the 3rd round was. Got mixed up with FA cup, Premier League teams go in second rather than third. Nevermind me. Do you know how long the second round has been seeded? Only noticed it this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Irl my club hasn't had a home match in the cup in 6 years now. We don't believe there is something wrong with the draws. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dafuge Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Got mixed up with FA cup, Premier League teams go in second rather than third. Nevermind me.Do you know how long the second round has been seeded? Only noticed it this year. Pretty sure it has been like that for as long as I can remember, may be wrong though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
silva_gunner Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 My theory is that SI put stuff like this in just to keep the conspirators happy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly_flyer10 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 What do you think is wrong with it? Ill ignore the kid but you always seemed to draw someone you were playing anyway so you played them twice in a row or if it was 2 legs, 3 games out of 4. I know its been discussed but this happened every season for me. The draw also seemed too "exciting", I would often draw other London clubs especially ones who were in the prem. It just never seemed truly random as it should Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianQuinn Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 If you want to be the best you must beat the best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chinese_Taboo Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I was Man Utd in the 3rd season and I was paired up with Arsenal in the FA Cup, League Cup and Europe KO. Later on in the year I remember playing them nearly 3 times in a row (thanks to the premiership) if it wasnt for another premiership team breaking it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ensar13 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Sun. 4.4.2010 Palermo H Serie A Wed. 7.4.2010 Inter H Ch. League Sat. 10.4.2010 Lazio A Serie A Tue. 13.4.2010 Inter A Ch. League Sun. 18.4.2010 Inter H Serie A Wed. 21.4.2010 Palermo A Coppa Italia 6 big matches in 17 days and 3 time Inter hehe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Sometimes I have the feeling, and that's only a feeling , that cup draws are not totally random. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twellman24 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I'm into my sixth season playing in Scottish lower leagues with Albion Rovers (finally got promoted to Second Division in fifth season), and I have never in six seasons have had a home game in the Scottish Cups. All games against better teams, all of them away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
grep Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I have been playing Chesterfield for over 20 years and 6/7 cup draws on 10 I was drawn against the fierce stronger rival of " Ipswich " .......... A reiterate coincidence among 20 years of something different ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltablue Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Mostly get Prem sides or mid-table champ sides. Have got lower a few times though. With that and the habit of getting drawn with sides close to when you play them in a league game (or even on the same day, as once a league game with Arsenal was rearranged to accomodate a cup game with the same team), it's been clear for a while the cup draws aren't perfect, but its something I'm learned to get used to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlobben Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Do you all assume that human teams are treated differently than AI teams during the draws? If not, then surely the logic of "I always face hard opposition" cannot be true for everyone. And if human teams are indeed treated differently, my thought is "why?". Why would SI put something like that in the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marluff Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 I thought i was being really unlucky with the draws but looking at this it doesn't seem so bad. This is how my draws have gone with Spurs: 08/09 FA Cup 3rd: West Brom 4th: Leeds 5th: Chelsea 6th: Middlesbrough Semi Final: Man City Final: Arsenal League Cup 3rd: Peterborough 4th: Chelsea Quarter Final: N/A Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A Champions League Group Stage: N/A 1st Knockout Round: N/A Quarter Final: N/A Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A 09/10 FA Cup 3rd: Charlton 4th: Chelsea 5th: Wolves 6th: Everton Semi Final: Aston Villa Final: Arsenal League Cup 3rd: Reading 4th: Man U Quarter Final: Middlesborough Semi Final: Arsenal Final: Blackburn Champions League Group Stage: N/A 1st Knockout Round: N/A Quarter Final: N/A Semi Final: N/A Final: 10/11 FA Cup 3rd: Derby 4th: Liverpool 5th: N/A 6th: N/A Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A League Cup 3rd: Leeds 4th: Birmingham Quarter Final: Arsenal Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A Champions League Group Stage: Juventus, Porto, Lech 1st Knockout Round: Benfica Quarter Final: Arsenal Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A 11/12 FA Cup 3rd: Bolton 4th: Everton 5th: Sheff Wed 6th: Leeds Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A League Cup 3rd: Arsenal 4th: Everton Quarter Final: Wolves Semi Final: Liverpool Final: Man Utd Champions League Group Stage: Juventus, Zenit, Feyenoord 1st Knockout Round: Celtic Quarter Final: Real Madrid Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A 12/13 FA Cup 3rd: Morecambe 4th: Swansea 5th: Arsenal 6th: Newcastle Semi Final: Chelsea Final: Liverpool League Cup 3rd: Wrexham 4th: Man Utd Quarter Final: N/A Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A Champions League Group Stage: Valencia, HSV, AZ 1st Knockout Round: Juventus Quarter Final: Real Madrid Semi Final: Barcelona Final: Arsenal 13/14 FA Cup 3rd: Preston 4th: Wolves 5th: Wigan 6th: West Brom Semi Final: Reading Final: Arsenal League Cup 3rd: Bolton 4th: Peterborough Quarter Final: Man Utd Semi Final: Aston Villa Final: Arsenal Champions League Group Stage: Sevilla, Zenit, Dinamo 1st Knockout Round: Porto Quarter Final: FC Bayern Semi Final: Arsenal Final: N/A 14/15 FA Cup 3rd: Bolton 4th: Blackburn 5th: Wigan 6th: Aston Villa Semi Final: Chelsea Final: N/A League Cup 3rd: Middlesborough 4th: Burnley Quarter Final: Wigan Semi Final: Arsenal Final: Newcastle Champions League Group Stage: Celtic, Partizan, Legia 1st Knockout Round: Schalke Quarter Final: Benfica Semi Final: Newcastle Final: N/A 15/16 FA Cup 3rd: Man City 4th: Liverpool 5th: West Brom 6th: Burnley Semi Final: Aston Villa Final: Newcastle League Cup 3rd: Man Utd 4th: Wigan Quarter Final: Liverpool Semi Final: Chelsea Final: Newcastle Champions League Group Stage: Zaragoza, Sporting CP, Genoa 1st Knockout Round: Porto Quarter Final: Arsenal Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A 16/17 FA Cup 3rd: Liverpool 4th: Oldham 5th: Leeds 6th: Reading Semi Final: Man City Final: Newcastle League Cup 3rd: Brighton 4th: Barnsley Quarter Final: Derby Semi Final: Newcastle Final: N/A Champions League Group Stage: Inter, Bordeaux, AZ 1st Knockout Round: Lyon Quarter Final: N/A Semi Final: N/A Final: N/A 17/18 FA Cup 3rd: Arsenal 4th: West Brom 5th: Norwich 6th: Everton Semi Final: Chelsea Final: Man Utd League Cup 3rd: Man Utd 4th: Reading Quarter Final: Arsenal Semi Final: Newcastle Final: Wolves Champions League Group Stage: FC Bayern, Galatasaray, Austria Wien 1st Knockout Round: Shakhtar Quarter Final: Newcastle Semi Final: Arsenal Final: Lyon Apologies for the long post. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philly_flyer10 Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Do you all assume that human teams are treated differently than AI teams during the draws? If not, then surely the logic of "I always face hard opposition" cannot be true for everyone.And if human teams are indeed treated differently, my thought is "why?". Why would SI put something like that in the game? To make it more exciting for the user. Its clear they are being treated differently or there would have been nothing to fix in the patch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OugaBagga Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Irl my club hasn't had a home match in the cup in 6 years now. We don't believe there is something wrong with the draws. IRL my local team (Buxton) have been drawn at home 6 times in a row in the FA cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobby_McDonald Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 There was an issue but it did get fixed in the patch. In my Billericay save, local teams always played each other before I patched it. Here's my FA Cup run from League One last season (2025/6). First Round - Hartlepool United (Conference) away Second Round - Charlton Athletic (League One) home Third Round - Rotherham United (League One) home Fourth Round - Hull City (League One) home Fifth Round - Blackburn Rovers (Premier League) away I did luck out, but it's certainly not fixed by the seem of things. And only the Charlton match can be deemed anything remotely like a local match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moaner Posted October 1, 2009 Share Posted October 1, 2009 Do you all assume that human teams are treated differently than AI teams during the draws? If not, then surely the logic of "I always face hard opposition" cannot be true for everyone.And if human teams are indeed treated differently, my thought is "why?". Why would SI put something like that in the game? It could be some sort of error in coding or a bug of sorts but either way SI acknowledged that something was dodgy and needed fixing hence the patch update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlo116 Posted October 2, 2009 Share Posted October 2, 2009 My first two seasons with liverpool i got barca in the 1st knockout round of the CL, they beat me both times it was very annoying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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