Karakorum Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 This game is Football manager. Am I right? For years we have loved football manager (championship back in the day) for one reason. To immerse ourselves in a virtual football world where anything was possible. So what , I ask, is the point when we are recommended only to load 20000 players???? What has football manager become? Some arcade game to play a premiership game? Are we losing the values that made Football manager what it was? I fear we are in danger of that unless we can load up many more players. Football manager is more than this. Please bring it back! Here starts the campaign to bring back Football Managers values. Join Me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kieronbrown73 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 what are you bleating about, my database has over 35,000 players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayern8176 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 what are you bleating about, my database has over 35,000 players? I am currently running with 102000, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eddymunster Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I am currently running with 102000, I have no problem with 55000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Submerge Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 42000 players, beautiful. Im finding some obscure gems! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drazkul Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 what are you bleating about, my database has over 35,000 players? If you start a new game - when selecting the DB size it says if you have gone over what is recommended for your system rating (or at least that what i assume its basing the number off). Mine is 3* rated and says about 77000 is what it recommends - i have more then it recommends loaded it just depends on whether you can wait for the processing to take longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karakorum Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 I run over 100,000 but what I am saying is the recommended limit is 20,000?!?!?!?! what is that? a drop in the ocean is that. I fear we may be entering dark times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karakorum Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 I have a super rig i have just build so system ratings is not the cause Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff Ant Farley Posted December 17, 2009 SI Staff Share Posted December 17, 2009 The warning message is displayed when you select a setup which will stretch the limits of your system, obviously this means it will display at different points from user to user Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
santy001 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 You will find out the computer will generally struggle with anything over 9000... But my game has 60/70,000 players on and runs very smoothly - despite my system only being rated at half a star I somehow think its oblivious to the abundance of RAM and processing power there lol. If you're struggling on 20,000 though you should probably invest in some new hardware. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karakorum Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 I dont even struggle on 100,000 that runs fine. My issue is with the recommendation even when I am running a i5 @ 4 Ghz, 8Gb RAM Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
zebanumut Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 what can i say? try and see.I get 1,5 stars for 29000 players but i dont care i load about 55000 everytime,no problem for me ,speed seems fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qweasd222 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I'm running 98000 just fine... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aston_martin Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 The reccomendations at start of the game have always been very conservative tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Submerge Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I think your conspiracy theory and a return to dark old times holds little weight, and as the warning is merely advisory, and your game as you say can hapilly run over 100,000 players you have little to worry about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordieboy52 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 For those of you who have 100,000 players loaded, what rating does your computer give you for that and how well does the game run? I am running 20,000 at 5 star and was wondering what impact stepping up in db size would have? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Neil Brock Posted December 17, 2009 Administrators Share Posted December 17, 2009 As said it's just a warning. But if you suffer memory crashes or anything else because you've gone over the limit there isn't too much we can really do to help. That's why we've put the warning in. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlo116 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 i have half a star rating for my system and the recommended size was 20,000 players but i'm running pretty smoothly with 55,000 players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bayern8176 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 102000 and half a star but have no probs at all with the system. nice and smooth for meyet it told me not to go above something like 55000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
swisso Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Astonished that advice has been included in Patch 2 to prevent some crash dumps. ... and still people whinge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOYNEGRO Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I always try to play with 3,5 stars with only 35000 players. Its enough world for me to have fun and I can run entire seasons in not many hours. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Premier2k Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 I dont even struggle on 100,000 that runs fine. My issue is with the recommendation even when I am running a i5 @ 4 Ghz, 8Gb RAM You might have 8Gb of RAM but FM won't use 8Gb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ritari Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 You might have 8Gb of RAM but FM won't use 8Gb. Exactly, it can only use up to 2 GB. And its GB not Gb, which stands for gigabit not gigabyte. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ellis_D Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 The reccomendations at start of the game have always been very conservative tbh. Agreed. I think most, if not all computers can cope with more than the recommended amount, I think that is just for safety. I have 127,000 players, huge database, with loads of leagues on a LAPTOP and it runs absolutely fine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
likesiamesefish Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 tbh, the fact that it has a star rating out of five for how well it will run on your computer was a massive help to me when setting up my game... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikandros33 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 187,000 players here and all fine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystere1666 Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Half star system both on 3d and database size and I run 27 leagues fully playable (77000 players) and medium 3d matches with no ill effects... Warnings are for lesser people Must say tho that I am used to slower calculating speeds anyway, the only thing that matters to me is depth of play with no crashes (had none yet) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wardog Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 i have 5 star rating for my system spec, and i highly reccommended one i didint load a large database with only English and Scottish leagues loaded. I was running other programmes at the time, may have been the cause. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayahr Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 I have no problems running the game with about twice as many players loaded as recommended. And back in the CM days I'm more than sure that we had way less than 20.000 players available in the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telac Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I thought it was a little bit strange that i has suddenly had a recommendation for my database size lol. Yet reading the posts by SI in this thread it appears as though its nothing more than a measure to cover their backs because of a fault game. How many leagues exactly do you believe people can run with 20k players in the database? How long do you believe the game will last for if it only has 20k players on it? When others are struggling for decent regens on 50k player databases? This is simply an excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystere1666 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Yet reading the posts by SI in this thread it appears as though its nothing more than a measure to cover their backs because of a fault game Oh come on, why do I need to read this sort of stuff in almost every other post. Why do people keep seeing "conspiracy theories" behind a perfectly fine warning message SI put in. It is simply a message to warn you about the fact that you might be stretching your system recources a bit. Just like every other game has that is out on the market today, if you go to graphical settings pretty much anywhere there is a recommended setting. This is exactly the same, nothing more and nothing less. Ignore it and run with it, or stick to the warning and run with less options (in this case smaller DB). If you really feel the need to press the issue that SI made a faulty game and tried to hide it behind such a message then please tell it to your mates at the pub or seek a different hobby. There is simply nothing special about this message that would warrent such a negative view. Just my 2 cents... carry on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telac Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Oh come on, why do I need to read this sort of stuff in almost every other post. Why do people keep seeing "conspiracy theories" behind a perfectly fine warning message SI put in. It is simply a message to warn you about the fact that you might be stretching your system recources a bit. Just like every other game has that is out on the market today, if you go to graphical settings pretty much anywhere there is a recommended setting. This is exactly the same, nothing more and nothing less. Ignore it and run with it, or stick to the warning and run with less options (in this case smaller DB).If you really feel the need to press the issue that SI made a faulty game and tried to hide it behind such a message then please tell it to your mates at the pub or seek a different hobby. There is simply nothing special about this message that would warrent such a negative view. Just my 2 cents... carry on The do me a favour please, start a game with 20k people on the database, and see just how long it lasts before every team on the game has players that belong in league 2. The potential for Regens on that sort of database is practically worthless Yes every game has RECOMMENDED settings which are supposed to give the good play through of the game. A 20k database is a next to nothing really in the FM world. That doesnt give a good play through because your game will be over before long because you have nothing in the way of Regens for continuity. As i have previously stated this is simply an excuse for those still experiencing crash dumps. While i do enjoy the game (dont get me wrong, its the best release of FM for a while) it shouldnt of been released in the state it was, and it still needs a fair amount of work putting into it so those people still experiencing problems can play their game properly. 10.2 has resolved the majority of my issues, i have an awesome rig yet had at least 6 crash dumps per season, why? I dont rightly know, but i know its got nothing to do with my systems memory or processing power. This is a lame excuse to quiet down the mumblings of discontent Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mystere1666 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 I got a totally crap system and had no crashes what so ever so I can honestly state that simply the database size or the connected warning message is not the cause or the only cause for crashes. I got the database warning at 77k players and went over it without ill effects. Some people will crash even with only 1 player in the database. To state that they put this message in to avoid hearing complains about crashes or to have a thing to point at if the game crashes is void in my eyes. Your point about 22k players not being enough for a long term game is fair enough but that is also all in the eye of the beholder. If I would like play FM on a really old system and have fun for a few years with prem loaded only that is fair enough. Having fun is not solely decided by the long term playabilty of a game, even playability is subjective at best. I am sorry to hear people have a lot of problems with crashes and I can understand the frustration but I am simply stating that reading the warning message as a fail save SI put in doesn't represent the reality at all in my humble opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phnompenhandy Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 'Recommends'. Just ignore it and calm down. But as Neil Brock says, don't complain that the game's running too slowly. For me I'm way over with leagues and players but I'm happy with slower processing to get the fuller experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazylen Posted December 29, 2009 Share Posted December 29, 2009 Is it true that exceeding this limit, slows your game down dramaticly? Ive been playing FM for years now and have always played the game with all leagues selected which are over 150 in total. Now with less leagues (about 115 from 45 nations, but with England to lvl 10, Germany to lvl 6 and Holland to lvl 6) it runs a lot slower. And i even have a brand new pc, which is twice as fast as my old one on which FM09 ran smooth as hell with all. So is it becasue processing in FM10 is slower (dont think so) Is it because of patch 10.2 and the memory issue? Or is it because of those extra leagues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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