Dadash2002 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 DadashThis loss of form at that time of year is the problem I have with this patch. I used a deep DL team for 96pts and then rerun 2nd half of season with a normal DL and made 102pts. Most of the dropped points are from unlucky losses and defence goes from Rock solid to leaking like a sieve. Thats a shame. Guess I'll have to rotate a bit with tactics like I tried at the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Hough Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 downloaded all 3 tactics but i think i'm going ot start with the team tactic for ungelled sides to see what that one is like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 I tend to use cf as a tempo adjustment and my tactics in FM08 used No cf and pre patch maximum cf, mixing cf can IMO unbalance tempo which is also a reason for not using HUB. Just about to release trial 4222 tactic which has a specific Cf adjustment, just hope it works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornBlueDieBlue Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Hi there Knap, and may i first say what a commendable job you have done with regards to this tactic mularkey, jolly good show my boy!!! i require assistance as im struggling with Sporting Lisbon, im looking for a tactic that combines success in the league with progress in the champions league, im really being hampered at the mo by this 9.2 patch injury bug. thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 With the 9.1 patch, if AI used an AMC then better results were obtained by changing to a 4132 formation using LH MC as DM and move RH MC to centre. The set up is same so can switch between formations depending upon opposition formation. Can also try ticking counter attack for more difficult games. Not aware of too many injuries and I'm using Darkstarr training as in post 1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornBlueDieBlue Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 With the 9.1 patch, if AI used an AMC then better results were obtained by changing to a 4132 formation using LH MC as DM and move RH MC to centre. The set up is same so can switch between formations depending upon opposition formation. Can also try ticking counter attack for more difficult games.Not aware of too many injuries and I'm using Darkstarr training as in post 1. so you are stating that in the 9.2 patch i can use the 4132 formation same as patch 9.1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Pompey has tried using a DM with good results. I need to test first before releasing a tactic for 9.2. Use the 9.2 442 as a base and make a 4132, rather than use original 9.1 4132 tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BornBlueDieBlue Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Pompey has tried using a DM with good results. I need to test first before releasing a tactic for 9.2. Use the 9.2 442 as a base and make a 4132, rather than use original 9.1 4132 tactic. Cheers matey, i shall give it an immediate whirl, happy new year one and all!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBamBam Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Which tactic you using DavidRicardo? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Alreet Knap - I've been using your tactics for a while now and they seem to be working fine. I've just downloaded darkstarrs training - ive never bothered with training schedules before - Ive downloaded them into a created tactics folder in the fm folder in my documents - to use these do I go to training in the game and change each players set schedule to whatever position they need training in - is that how it's done? Or do I need to do anything else? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Just download into Schedules, then schedule, edit schedule. import - then change each player. I also auto assign coaches, see if coaching can be improved and search for coaches. 7 star coaches help to speed up attribute improvement per testing I have seen. David is using the team tactic + OIs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 If I've downloaded them into the tactics folder in the fm folder in my documents do I need to download them anywhere else? Or do you do it in the game? I don't usually auto assign coaches - I usually put them on a certain aspect depending on which they're best at from the star ratings - should I change this then to auto assign? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-Ronaldo Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 It doesn't matter where you save the training files, when in training just go to import and import them from wherever you saved them.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 As long as you can find them does not matter. I only auto sign as its a quick way to show what they are good at rather than remember the attributes required. Should be a quick reference guide in game for this. 4132 testing is not going well so now trying a tweaked diamond. I would only use DM formation against an AMC formation.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Thanks for the help - training is one thing I've never really got into - much like my (poor) real life footballing 'career'! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MD-Ronaldo Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 You should look into the diamond mate coz I'm having great success with one I've created for my Utd side... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Pompey has tried using a DM with good results. I need to test first before releasing a tactic for 9.2. Use the 9.2 442 as a base and make a 4132, rather than use original 9.1 4132 tactic. My results do seem to be more based in the same way as the 4132 was for 9.1 as it was against top italian opposition that used the AMc option so it is more likely to be best in Europe rather than as a permanant solution in the English Leagues Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot-11 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Hey knap, the 101 pts tactic is working good for me but only 1 small thing is bothering me. My right mc always gets pretty low rating. I play Raul Garcia on that position. Do you know how I can fix this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Riot As long as yu are getting results then I would not worry about ratings, just allow for it when making a sub decision. I will look into it as improving rating may improve tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackDavies Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 Hi there knap im getting some joy with your tactics my only questions would be it doesnt seem to work in bad conditions, ie bad pitch or if its raining? are there any adaptions that you can think of? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lfc7 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 =knap;2388343]Away from Home you can add a few tweaks - Tick Counter Attack, drop DL to Deep on team tactic, reduced FB Fwd runs and change crosing to deep.Knap do you do these tweaks at the start of an away game or near the closing stages thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 29, 2008 Author Share Posted December 29, 2008 Jack Try increasing passing by a notch or two for a bad pitch but if raining may need to decrease. The game is getting daft if you have to micro manage a players passing. Ifc They are options you can use at any time or set up as an away tactic. I tend to use counter attack against Arsenal Home or away but if closing out a game tend to push up and use time wasting rather than go deep and allow pressure. Going deep is more attacking creating space as is increasing width Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riot-11 Posted December 29, 2008 Share Posted December 29, 2008 RiotAs long as yu are getting results then I would not worry about ratings, just allow for it when making a sub decision. I will look into it as improving rating may improve tactic. Thanks for the reply. I took care of the problem myself and its working pretty good now. I just gave my right mc creative freedom and he is doing ok now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStarr Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 knap does the more attacking midfielder have the forward arrow or should he have the back arrow? need to ask this cause someone mentioned a deep lying playmaker, and i seen Lampard is playing in that position. would this make them not get involved in attacking moves further up the pitch? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty_ACE Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 knap does the more attacking midfielder have the forward arrow or should he have the back arrow? need to ask this cause someone mentioned a deep lying playmaker, and i seen Lampard is playing in that position. would this make them not get involved in attacking moves further up the pitch? Yeah this part of the tactic also bothers me somewhat. I have players like Moutinho and Diarra playing in middle. Moutinho keeps getting very average ratings being played as a deep lying playmaker, not sure why as his stats would indicate he'd do well there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clampos Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Yeah this part of the tactic also bothers me somewhat. I have players like Moutinho and Diarra playing in middle. Moutinho keeps getting very average ratings being played as a deep lying playmaker, not sure why as his stats would indicate he'd do well there. I find it harder to get the box to box mid to play well but I think this is down to how settled he is and who he is. On that note can anybody recommend a top box to box mid for the Premiership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Tactic redevelopment is underway as I am finding the team tactics more consistent, although lower scoring, and the diamond tactic is at 95pts. I prefer to use 2 MCs acting together and the idea was to balance the position of MCs by countering the forward runs with mentality, so either way round should work. Its only from watching game you can see how the MCs work. For a box to box DM I would go for Veloso, top talent easily available. Pre patch I was trying Fazio and Veloso as the midfield pair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTHlon Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 knap yours tactics need OPP instructions ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 New tactic is looking good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderkid_27 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 can you post a link to your new tactic please knap? do you test your tactic by going on holiday? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkStarr Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 I might play Barton and Appiah for away games, and have a more amc like Witsel for home games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razaldo9 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 On the 101 pts why is the CM with the backwards arrow more attacking and the player with the forwards arrown more defensive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dodgson Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 New tactic is looking good That is very impressive - even with Chelsea! What is the formation? Looks solid defensivley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebs Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Alreet Knap - I'm having a bit of trouble getting the centre midfield pairings correct. I have Mascherano and Mati Fernandez as my main cms - I followed the advice and played mati fernandez on the left and Mascherano on the right. Mati Fernandez would get decent ratings there but Mascherano was awful. I then swapped and Mascherano got really good ratings on the left and Mati Fernandez got decent ratings on the right - although none seemed to shine massively compared to the wingers. Does it matter that much as to where the cms play - I always thought that the one with the arrow going back would be the defensive and the arrow going up attacking, I'm just clueless as to how to get these two world class midfielders playing well? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toffee Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Kanp, could you released the new version for testing? Looks impressive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Its only a shell 442 tactic at moment but without using the odd MC settings. Rebel The mC position works either way they just have different roles. I would probably use Fernandez at AML. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wonderkid_27 Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 hi knap, would you still be able to put the tactic up for download? the results looks very impressive! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinli Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 using the 99th pts with luton town....let see how it go for a season on holiday mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_the_pea Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 can someone tell me what tgm is on the training schedule please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 tgm = targetman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lee_the_pea Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 ta . seems pretty obvious now lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aTHlon Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 hehe i played tactic 99pts. i'm rangers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big H Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Knap your tactics for 9.01 helped me to almost win EPL in season 1 with Everton (just needed to beat West Brom & Portsmouth in last 2 games to win League - but didn't manage it and ended up 4th) Have just run a test season for Season 2 with youre 9.02 101pts tactic with no new signings. Home was amazing W17 D2 L0. not so great Away from Home with just 23 points from 19 games, but still finished 3rd. Another fantastic tactic mate thanks very much. I'm gonna work on an Away tweak and give that a go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Big H Just try ticking counter attack for away. Pompey also suggests OI to TM ST. The other tweak for away is to change X to deep for FBs Mix for Wingers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Dodgson Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Big HJust try ticking counter attack for away. Pompey also suggests OI to TM ST. The other tweak for away is to change X to deep for FBs Mix for Wingers. Hi Knap. Do you the one your trying with available to download? I'm interested in starting a new game tonight if you wish to have someone to try it for you. Hope to hear soon mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidRicardo Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Based on my success with your 9.2 99 pts tactic, I started a new game today with Juventus. My results so far: Games played: 19, Wins: 16, Draws 3 Easily the best tactic that I´ve tried on FM 2009 so far. Will be interesting to see how it works out on LL teams... Great work, Knap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Mike I'm finding this 9.2 patch just random in nature and results, so no new tactic at this stage. David Good to see it works outside UK and no reason to not work in lower league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted December 30, 2008 Share Posted December 30, 2008 Knap - Will you be attempting to make a tactic with one striker upfront, like in your FM08 tactic? Cheers Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Steve For 9.1 I have a 4321 and 4231 tactics, not tried them with 9.2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted December 30, 2008 Author Share Posted December 30, 2008 Also 41311 links below if you wish to try http://files.filefront.com/GKnap41311+100pts+Chelsea9tac/;12492914;/fileinfo.html http://files.filefront.com/GKnap100PTS4321+Chelsea+J9tac/;12508862;/fileinfo.html http://files.filefront.com/GKnap442+107PTSKIMZ4321978tac/;12580898;/fileinfo.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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