rojeck Posted March 27, 2018 Share Posted March 27, 2018 在 2018/3/26 在 AM2点04分, knap说: GOODBYE BARCELONA 4231 B ¬!FM17.3.1GOODBYE4231BARCELONAP106_BECFE558-CAB9-4463-8AB7-400E1AD7040B.fmf You mean this one? Does it fit for 18.3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 27, 2018 Author Share Posted March 27, 2018 A lot of tactics still work from FM 16 but I did update in the FM 18 4231 thread. It was an online game versus situation and the person using a Goodbye Barcelona 4231 was winning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm86 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Started using this with Roma, still leaking a lot of goals though. Finding most matches I concede at least 1-2. Any ideas? Definitely finding since the transfer update the 5-2-3 isn't as successful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 28, 2018 Author Share Posted March 28, 2018 Are you using updated tactic? Are you winning? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hm86 Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 19 hours ago, knap said: Are you using updated tactic? Are you winning? Yeah using the updated version, I am winning but finding that drawing a lot more than I'd like. Its like 9 out of 10 opposition attacks result in a goal. Regardless of how good the opposition is. No doubt some exaggeration there but its no where near as effective as it used to be before this transfer update that they claim didn't have any ME changes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamieac Posted March 29, 2018 Share Posted March 29, 2018 On 3/21/2018 at 15:05, Jamieac said: First season in the prem, I have won every league on the first attempt with Knap tactics and I'm hopeful I can continue this in the prem. Update Won the League cup and I'm in the FA Cup final against Spurs next. In a normal season, this points tally would have won me the league but Man U were ridiculously consistent. They trolled me at the end of the season losing their first 2 games of the season in a row after already securing the title. Think I will try strikerless Argus next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 29, 2018 Author Share Posted March 29, 2018 Unlucky to lose leaguw with those pts but MU appear to be on a role atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixta79 Posted March 30, 2018 Share Posted March 30, 2018 great tactic, pulled my inconsistent season around with a newly promoted millwall team to the prem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 How do you illustrate a screenshot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flohrinho Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Just as an update, while I was struggling a bit with Dortmund in my first season the second season was as amazing as I remember this tactic, beating Barca in the final of the CL easily with 4-1. The only tactics that really give me a tiny bit of trouble are the 4-2-3-1 formations which double up on my WB, since they are always without help it's kinda difficult to manage these situations at times. Still I usually manage to outscore these teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heywood JaBlowme Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 3 hours ago, knap said: How do you illustrate a screenshot? You using Windows Paint? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 So you paste into Paint, and then illustrate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 Outscoring is best option against 4231 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Hawk_ Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 Knap, using this one in FMT. Any additional setting for individual player instructions? If so, can you post them. Thanks in advance Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Heywood JaBlowme Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 1 hour ago, knap said: So you paste into Paint, and then illustrate. knap, not sure what you're trying to do. Do you want to highlight those matches with a rectangle like this? If so then in Paint, go to Shapes options up top, choose the rectangle/square icon & select the color(s) or your choice at the top right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixta79 Posted March 31, 2018 Share Posted March 31, 2018 I just quickly edited a screen shot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wixta79 Posted April 1, 2018 Share Posted April 1, 2018 On 17/03/2018 at 13:12, solounamigo said: Yeah, in the CL final vs Chelsea and it worked great (control) I'm about to start a new save with some underdog team, will give the control for away games a go and post it here how it goes. how did this go mate? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 3, 2018 Author Share Posted April 3, 2018 If looking for an underdog tactic, I can post the MR L FM 16 tactic, similar to Midsomer and Volante. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flohrinho Posted April 7, 2018 Share Posted April 7, 2018 @knap which one of your tactics would you say does the best against 4-2-3-1 wide that the AI managers usually play and causes this formation more trouble than anything else? Maybe your 4-4-2? Would probably help with the overload on the wings through pushing up wingbacks? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 7, 2018 Author Share Posted April 7, 2018 If you want to match AI then 4231 or 442 and Volante. A difficult 4231 to play against is GOODBYE BARCELONA and ARGUS 343 does well against this tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blasphemy21 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 Just a BIG THANK YOU, @knap First season with your tactic and... it's a magical one! I'm using Argus 18.3 version but with control mentality in both home and away "hard" matches. Results: Winning both Barcelona - with 10 players from the 26th minute 3-0 till 85' !!!! - and Chelsea at home , winning Shakhtar home 3-1 and away 0-6!! Finishing 1st in my group!!! Just amazing!!! Also in Greek Superleague I have 13 straight wins! Thank you again man!! PS 1. In some "easy" matches I've tested BM 4-3-3 but I don't thing is better than Argus, so I use in two slot Argus and ASH 343 v104 in the last one... 2. Quick question: Which player do I have to substitute when I get a red card? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 Usually poacher positon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blasphemy21 Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 23 minutes ago, knap said: Usually poacher positon. Thanks for your quick response. Yes, but the STCL/R or the central one? I usually substitute the L or R, not the central... Also, when the MCL takes a yellow card, as he has BWM role and I can't order him to "Easy off tackles", I order him to not "Mark tight". Is it ok or I have to change his role or substitute him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 8, 2018 Author Share Posted April 8, 2018 The poacher is the middle one. A sub would be best option, but I do not bother changing,, otherwise change to DLP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcbeast Posted April 8, 2018 Share Posted April 8, 2018 11 hours ago, blasphemy21 said: Just a BIG THANK YOU, @knap First season with your tactic and... it's a magical one! I'm using Argus 18.3 version but with control mentality in both home and away "hard" matches. Results: Winning both Barcelona - with 10 players from the 26th minute 3-0 till 85' !!!! - and Chelsea at home , winning Shakhtar home 3-1 and away 0-6!! Finishing 1st in my group!!! Just amazing!!! Also in Greek Superleague I have 13 straight wins! Thank you again man!! PS 1. In some "easy" matches I've tested BM 4-3-3 but I don't thing is better than Argus, so I use in two slot Argus and ASH 343 v104 in the last one... 2. Quick question: Which player do I have to substitute when I get a red card? hi mate looking good here did you let asst manager do training or did you do it if so what steps you do ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
blasphemy21 Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I let my assistant do all training and team talks. Sometimes on half time I make some individual talks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 17, 2018 Author Share Posted April 17, 2018 FM 18.3.3 Tested with Spurs in FMT no OIs Real Madrid Final - started with control and then changed to counter ¬FM18.3.3KnapARGUS343THP99.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyNewHeights Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 This tactic is great Knap, I use it for every team. Is the new 18.3.3 version suitable for every team like the other Argus tactics ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 For FM purposes Spurs are more difficult to set up a tactic with,, so tend to be more multi purpose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
stefanopedini89 Posted April 19, 2018 Share Posted April 19, 2018 Knap I have two questions. Is the central defender the only difference beetween this version and 18.3 version? Why in this tactic poacher is Alli instead of Kane, in the version 18.3 is Icardi? ( sorry for my english but i hope you understand) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 19, 2018 Author Share Posted April 19, 2018 That would be the major change. I let AM pick, as anyone can use this method, and also picks Kane as CF S rather than CF A in the Volante tactic I am using. You can of course change from AM pick. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyNewHeights Posted April 20, 2018 Share Posted April 20, 2018 On 4/19/2018 at 17:15, knap said: For FM purposes Spurs are more difficult to set up a tactic with,, so tend to be more multi purpose. Would you still use it for underdog teams though ? I always thought Spurs were more of a sub top side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 20, 2018 Author Share Posted April 20, 2018 If a sub top can win PL with 100pts then there is a potential to win PL with an underdog with 90pts or stay up with 80 pts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragosani Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 Hi Knap, like many other folks on here, thank you for all your hard work in producing these tactics. As a dad of two (one 3yr old and other only 3 months), my time in the evening can be quite limited when it comes to tactics and formations, so to be able use yours has certainly helped. So apologies if you’ve been asked this already. I am managing Rangers on FMT and in my first season used argus 343/352 and blue matter 343. I won everything that season and lost one game in the euro cup. However now that I’m in the champions league (with Rangers) the opposition has stepped up a notch. I was playing Bayern Munich and they smashed me 5-0 (they were using 4231). It seemed every time they got the ball, the speed that the team moved at was exceptional, and they made my lot look tired and cumbersome. So after that and using a few different formations (I then the likes of midsomer 442 on the counter) I tried again to match them but still ended up with a drubbing. So my question is; is there a formation you would recommend that could at least contain/or stop me getting pumped by the bigger teams. I’m not looking to beat them 3 or 4 nil away from home but to be able to compete would help. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustin1979 Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 1 hour ago, dragosani said: Hi Knap, like many other folks on here, thank you for all your hard work in producing these tactics. As a dad of two (one 3yr old and other only 3 months), my time in the evening can be quite limited when it comes to tactics and formations, so to be able use yours has certainly helped. So apologies if you’ve been asked this already. I am managing Rangers on FMT and in my first season used argus 343/352 and blue matter 343. I won everything that season and lost one game in the euro cup. However now that I’m in the champions league (with Rangers) the opposition has stepped up a notch. I was playing Bayern Munich and they smashed me 5-0 (they were using 4231). It seemed every time they got the ball, the speed that the team moved at was exceptional, and they made my lot look tired and cumbersome. So after that and using a few different formations (I then the likes of midsomer 442 on the counter) I tried again to match them but still ended up with a drubbing. So my question is; is there a formation you would recommend that could at least contain/or stop me getting pumped by the bigger teams. I’m not looking to beat them 3 or 4 nil away from home but to be able to compete would help. Cheers I have a 523 tweak I use for hard away games, it might be what you're looking for... I can PM it to you if you're interested? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragosani Posted April 23, 2018 Share Posted April 23, 2018 28 minutes ago, Augustin1979 said: I have a 523 tweak I use for hard away games, it might be what you're looking for... I can PM it to you if you're interested? That would be cool mate! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 23, 2018 Author Share Posted April 23, 2018 Played this game last night. Lppol may have the edge in this final However in the final against Real Madrid I used Control and then Counter. Changing mentality can help when up against a better team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 FM 18.3.3 VOL 2 Tested with Lpool in FMT no OIs ¬FM18.3.3KnapARGUS343VOL2LppolP101.fmf 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 (edited) 23 hours ago, dragosani said: That would be cool mate! Hi Mate...On FMT can you tell me what "Team Training" you use...or do you leave it to your assistant manager? Edited April 24, 2018 by ruudvanwarren Mis spelling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 13 hours ago, knap said: Played this game last night. Lppol may have the edge in this final However in the final against Real Madrid I used Control and then Counter. Changing mentality can help when up against a better team. Hey Knap...At what point did you flip to counter as all the goals came in the second half? After they were all scored before the goals? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 It was about 3 -0 - so protecting the lead, but RM were all out attack by then so got caught on break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragosani Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 1 hour ago, ruudvanwarren said: Hi Mate...On FMT can you tell me what "Team Training" you use...or do you leave it to your assistant manager? I have it on ball control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruudvanwarren Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, dragosani said: I have it on ball control. Cheers for getting back to me so quick. I myself play FMT for the same reasons you do...family/work life is too hectic to put the hours into the full version. Is ball control just a personal preference or did you read up on it from a given forum? Thanks again mate... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragosani Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 I started with the team cohesion thing but decided that due to the way the formation worked, that maybe ball control would be better (well working on the asumption that if we had better control/iuse of the ball then maybe they wouldnt give it aweay so much). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragosani Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 43 minutes ago, ruudvanwarren said: Cheers for getting back to me so quick. I myself play FMT for the same reasons you do...family/work life is too hectic to put the hours into the full version. Is ball control just a personal preference or did you read up on it from a given forum? Thanks again mate... whether it works, i dont know, but it makes me happy 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
verdilo Posted April 24, 2018 Share Posted April 24, 2018 3 hours ago, knap said: FM 18.3.3 VOL 2 Tested with Lpool in FMT no OIs ¬FM18.3.3KnapARGUS343VOL2LppolP101.fmf What match prep? Do you use shouts? If yes which ones? And is it worth it to change mentality to counter when leading 0:2 away with man city for example? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted April 24, 2018 Author Share Posted April 24, 2018 I leave it to AM as dynamic depending on next game. It depends on how you want to mange game, but away to MC with 20 mins to go counter may be a good choice. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gooders11 Posted May 5, 2018 Share Posted May 5, 2018 Still having great success with this tactic in my new Fiorentina save, Chiesa and Simeone are on fire. My cm's are struggling for consistency. Are there any players you recommend or what are the key stats. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted May 5, 2018 Author Share Posted May 5, 2018 There is a hidden consistency attribute which you can pick up on reports. I do not look at player ratings, just the team performance, so would not be unduly worried if having success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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