Mr U Rosler Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Greetings hero's, It seems this years incarnation is a touch more difficult, having finished 12th in the Blue Square Premier League in my first season with the mighty Stockport County I found myself 20th in the league midway through my 2nd season and literally 1 game away from the sack, something that has never happened to me in FM. Out of desperation I developed this tactic and won my next 5 games eventually finishing 12th again before gaining promotion out of the absolute nightmare that is the BSP the next season. UPDATE 17/11/12 Blue Square to Premier League in 4 years, 4 promotions in a row. Winning League 2, winning League 1 the next season, winning Championship next season. The tactic Uploaded with ImageShack.us The Hydra, as in a many headed attack. This is an out and out possession tactic featuring a slow tempo and short passing. My record for a match is 80% possession, 65% is typical. I favour a symmetrical system with 4 pairs of players with identical roles (x2 LD, WB, CM and Poachers) complemented by a keeper, DMC and AMC. This seems to work well and makes squad building easier as you can recruit the same 'style' of CM's and Strikers without worrying about getting different attributes for different roles etc. Note this is a genuine 'plug & play tactic', SAME TACTIC HOME & AWAY, I have NEVER used a 'shout' or altered the tactic for 1 second of any match. if i get in trouble I rely on the tactic getting me out of trouble. I prefer this 'pure' play style, but there is no reason why you cannot use shouts if thats how you like to 'roll'. The results Media Prediction 8th, result 3rd Uploaded with ImageShack.us Media Prediction 23rd, result Champions Uploaded with ImageShack.us Media Prediction 24th, result Champions Uploaded with ImageShack.us Media prediction 24th, result Champions Uploaded with ImageShack.us No O.I. No Shouts P.S if the pictures are small click on them, then click again and they should be much clearer. P.P.S This will likely be very unfamiliar compared to your current tactic. Will take 12-15 games to become fluid. Should still work in meantime. DOWNLOAD: http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?j8c91vfbc0za781 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper74 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 looks great going 2 try it with my oxford game as im struggling. pitch size,oi,match prep,team talks thanku in advance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 2, 2012 Author Share Posted November 2, 2012 Max Pitch NO OI Team Talks, go with Ass Man at start, start shouting at half time if not winning Match prep i'll leave to you guys I dont do anything special Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper74 Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 cheers r give u feedback later. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
serek Posted November 2, 2012 Share Posted November 2, 2012 Basic, yet realistic tactic. Good for securing pre-season expectations. It does have trouble with converting chances sometimes, and at higher levels the AMC is pretty much useless (playing De Bruyne there). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mutwale Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 This tactic works really great with Newcastle, thanks for sharing:-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LARulz Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 I've been using the same formation. Its lethal, but then again, I've only tried with fairly poor teams not the United's etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
miller11 Posted November 3, 2012 Share Posted November 3, 2012 hey, using this tactic with newcastle in final stage of third season. have made fair amount of changes but its not a new tactic so feel should put here. need help in uploading screenshots however etc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 3, 2012 Author Share Posted November 3, 2012 hey, using this tactic with newcastle in final stage of third season. have made fair amount of changes but its not a new tactic so feel should put here. need help in uploading screenshots however etc Dude, better to start a new thread. Credit my tactic if you wish. Good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid_Amnesiac1 Posted November 4, 2012 Share Posted November 4, 2012 This is getting very good results for me! Good work Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonarmyadam Posted November 5, 2012 Share Posted November 5, 2012 Superb tactic mate. Using this with my Southend game, i've made a few decent loan signings but it is mostly with the default squad. Southend are predicted 3rd, however this tactic has blown that out of the water. After 29 games, i'm on 63 points and 14 points clear of second placed Oxford. I've also had some impressive results in the Cups. Beating Bournemouth away in the League Cup, MK Dons away in the FA Cup. The highlight of them all was beating Doncaster 6-0 at home in the FA Cup. Amazing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wanderer89 Posted November 6, 2012 Share Posted November 6, 2012 Just used this for the first time, safe to say it didn't end well, played against Villa, I'm Wolves in the 3rd season, they had 23 shots to my 8, they had 57% possession, I know it'll take longer than just one game but not a good start Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 7, 2012 Author Share Posted November 7, 2012 Thought I would update you guys on my progress.......... Uploaded with ImageShack.us That's BACK TO BACK promotions. Pertinent facts........... Media Prediction was 23rd, finished 1st. 8 of my starting 11 were the same players I used last year. Made over £500,000 profit. Manager of the Year for second year running. Observations Conventional wisdom would suggest you need to employ a 'support' striker when playing 2 up front i.e. a Deep Lying forward. In theory playing 2 poachers shouldn't really work. My 2 poachers contributed 49 LEAGUE GOALS and 26 assists between them. They were basically setting each other up, I can only assume the underlying attributes around Creativity, Flair, Decisions etc 'over-rules' the fact they are both set to 'poach', essentially one of them would always come 'deep'. I think this says a lot of positive things about the match engine. My 2 Poachers.... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Following the comment made by someone earlier in the thread about not getting much out of the AMC I have taken a close look at this position. LEAGUE return from AMC position = 9 goals and 17 assists in 46 games. Not actually brilliant, but not bad either. I've watched enough games now to realise these guys contribute a lot more than just goals and assists often supplying the pass that SETS UP THE ASSIST. The 2 guys I rotated in this position are not 'world beaters' and were only rated as 'good players for league 2'. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us I was actually open to modifying the tactic if the AMC position was indeed a perceived weak link but I dont actually believe that is the case and will leave the tactic unchanged. I will keep posting my results, good, bad or indifferent and expect League 1 to be much tougher as again i will only be able to make limited improvements to my squad in the first season at least. Good luck all and keep the faith! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Three promotions in a row, easily winning League 1. 4 of my starting 11 are the same players I used in Blue Square Premier. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypertoon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 lol "The Hydra"... I was expecting some sort of weird formation.. but instead its a standard 5-3-2 formation thats been around for donkeys.... Actually thinking about it i'm sure this was one of the default formations you could pick from in the past.... only difference is your slow tempo and short passing ...... !..... I'll still give it a go..... I might rename the stock 4-4-2 and name it "The Superman"... lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 lol "The Hydra"... I was expecting some sort of weird formation.. but instead its a standard 5-3-2 formation thats been around for donkeys.... Actually thinking about it i'm sure this was one of the default formations you could pick from in the past.... only difference is your slow tempo and short passing ...... !..... I'll still give it a go..... I might rename the stock 4-4-2 and name it "The Superman"... lol The above comment clearly displays the full level of your ignorance and explains your inabilty to devise a tactic of your own. The actual formation is the least important element of tactic making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Anybody tried this with a big team? Are your wingbacks ridiculously good? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Anybody tried this with a big team?Are your wingbacks ridiculously good? Good Wingbacks are hard to find in the lower leagues, I have had to retrain DL/DR. So I would actually say they are weaker than the rest of my team. One of the things I was looking forward to moving up the leagues was having access to specialist, high quality Wingbacks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hypertoon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The above comment clearly displays the full level of your ignorance and explains your inabilty to devise a tactic of your own.The actual formation is the least important element of tactic making. Jesus... relax man... I wasnt having a dig...... I was just having a laugh at the name you gave it..... And to clarify I have devised a tactic of my own if you read through these forums you might find it....and unfortunately most of the time the formation is actually the main proponent of a tactic ,.. so it is kind of important.... granted not the sole element but still dismissing it as the least shows your ignorance.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 The above comment clearly displays the full level of your ignorance and explains your inabilty to devise a tactic of your own.The actual formation is the least important element of tactic making. Kind of ironic. Lets put the handbags away please and no need to get so defensive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 It's not a standard 5-3-2 at all. It's pretty nice in theory. I'll be giving it a go for sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_forest Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 I just seen the closed thread in the main forum. The first thing that came to mind when you complained of back-to-back promotions was this - stop quiting out and reloading when you lose a game Being serious though, I'd say that you should try playing with the LLM guidlines, don't sign all the best players you already know about and see how it goes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roncerno Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 This is probably first working tactic for me. Have tried many of them.. Started with Salisbury, started game, went playing LoL while first half going on, ended up in 0-4 lead on away from home. Currently 3 games, 3 wins 13 goals scored , 3 against Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisLiebing Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Good going forward but appalling in defence, i have conceded 17 goals in 6 games, the defending is utterly woeful at best, why isn't it working for me? Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Good going forward but appalling in defence, i have conceded 17 goals in 6 games, the defending is utterly woeful at best, why isn't it working for me? Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us I'd stick with it for a bit longer, you should be turning that form around pretty soon. I've not had many clean sheets, but I havent conceded 3 goals very often. Put your match prep on tactic only until its fluid, then defending set pieces. Put your team training on 'team cohesion' if you havent done so already. Good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 12, 2012 Author Share Posted November 12, 2012 Good going forward but appalling in defence, i have conceded 17 goals in 6 games, the defending is utterly woeful at best, why isn't it working for me? Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us I'd stick with it for a bit longer, you should be turning that form around pretty soon. I've not had many clean sheets, but I havent conceded 3 goals very often. Put your match prep on tactic only until its fluid, then defending set pieces. Put your team training on 'team cohesion' if you havent done so already. Good luck Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 What do you do if you go down to 10 men? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted November 12, 2012 Share Posted November 12, 2012 Half way point in my leauge just took over them in re season 2017/18 season Media perdiction 12th Uploaded by @Cragswfc with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Good Wingbacks are hard to find in the lower leagues, I have had to retrain DL/DR. So I would actually say they are weaker than the rest of my team.One of the things I was looking forward to moving up the leagues was having access to specialist, high quality Wingbacks. Sorry, I'll rephrase. What I meant was: are they the best players in your team? Goals, ratings and assists? I think good, all round wing backs are hard to find any where. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Sorry, I'll rephrase. What I meant was: are they the best players in your team? Goals, ratings and assists?I think good, all round wing backs are hard to find any where. No not really, more goals seem to come thru the middle of the pitch. Poachers have been getting 50 goals and 25 assists between them, the rest of the assists seem to come from the AMC, CM positions. The Wingbacks have been chipping in with about league 5 goals & 5 assists each season. I hope this is a better answer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Great, thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Mixed results with this. I smashed Southampton then lost to Man Utd. I am Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmyrh94 Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 Mixed results with this. I smashed Southampton then lost to Man Utd. I am Liverpool. That sounds about right tbh :s Even the most super and exploiting tactics only beat the elite 5 teams 60% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
smallclone Posted November 13, 2012 Share Posted November 13, 2012 That sounds about right tbh :s Even the most super and exploiting tactics only beat the elite 5 teams 60% of the time. I guess. I was after a tactic that would enable me to live out my dreams and take me to the top of the table though. Not be realistic and come 6th every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 13, 2012 Author Share Posted November 13, 2012 Quick note to anyone still using the tactic, after a large number of red cards I have changed everyone's tackling to 'easy'. Results still good. Quick update whilst i'm here, my 1st year in Championship is going well. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Uploaded with ImageShack.us I was worried about Newcastle away............... Uploaded with ImageShack.us Oh, and about to turn down the England job Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Great tactic! the best tactic ive tryed so far. Playing with Man United, sold of nani, cleverly and young and brought in kyle walker and fellaini. training rafael, valencia and walker too WB and their doing great! goals comming from all over the place and keeping cleen sheat! throughballs from midfield is awesome! good job mate!! will post progress.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Great tactic! the best tactic ive tryed so far. Playing with Man United, sold of nani, cleverly and young and brought in kyle walker and fellaini. training rafael, valencia and walker too WB and their doing great! goals comming from all over the place and keeping cleen sheat! throughballs from midfield is awesome! good job mate!! will post progress.. Thanks for the positive feedback. Could you let me know if you still have tackling on normal and if you're getting a lot of red cards. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spartak Trigger Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Would switching the wing backs to full backs make much difference? Playing port vale in league 1 and conceding far to many goals Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Would switching the wing backs to full backs make much difference?Playing port vale in league 1 and conceding far to many goals I guess it would help defensively, but you would lose something going forward i.e width in the final third. In my experience you will concede a goal in most games with the current match engine no matter what you do so I have focused my efforts on scoring more. And get the very best keeper you can get, prioritise this over all other positions. A top keeper makes a real difference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
supersplash Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Im guessing you just use the attributes required by the role in the TC? No special needs or anything? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yeah, pretty much. As ever, pace can be deadly especially in the midfield and forward roles. I also try to avoid players with less than 10 determination unless they are very young. Every 6 months I search for 'freaks'. i.e search on 1 attribute only looking for 18, 19, 20's in this 1 area. I have uncovered a couple of absolute gems this way who may have otherwise gone under the radar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 Yeah, pretty much.As ever, pace can be deadly especially in the midfield and forward roles. I also try to avoid players with less than 10 determination unless they are very young. Every 6 months I search for 'freaks'. i.e search on 1 attribute only looking for 18, 19, 20's in this 1 area. I have uncovered a couple of absolute gems this way who may have otherwise gone under the radar. What you mean by that? eg: passing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 14, 2012 Author Share Posted November 14, 2012 What you mean by that? eg: passing? Like this Uploaded with ImageShack.us For example I found this guy playing in the Lithuanian Leagues by searching for very high finishing only. He looks likes he will be immense. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rune Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I still have tackling on standard yea, not a single red card yet.. Only thing thats abit weird is i get really many goals disalowed from offside! like 1 pr. game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveUK Posted November 14, 2012 Share Posted November 14, 2012 I still have tackling on standard yea, not a single red card yet..Only thing thats abit weird is i get really many goals disalowed from offside! like 1 pr. game Are you using the 3D match engine? if so pretty sure thats a common bug, i get considerably less dissallowed goals in games using the 2D viewer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 I still have tackling on standard yea, not a single red card yet..Only thing thats abit weird is i get really many goals disalowed from offside! like 1 pr. game I get a lot of off sides as well. But so do the opposing teams. I think its a match engine thing, not a tactic thing, but I could be wrong on that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbodave222 Posted November 15, 2012 Share Posted November 15, 2012 i've been trying all kinds of tactics in +- 5 different save games (3 of my own tactics, and 6 downloaded from here). My own tactics did well for half a season, then it started to go down. Downloaded tactics didnt work or stopped working as well after a few months. I tried yours also in different savegames, but it was same problem. i had savegames in lower leagues of poland, russia, etc... Yesterday started new game with chelsea. Bought jovetic from fiorentina, and a columbian 26 y wingback right from an italian team (dont know name of player anymore ) friendly's didnt go well, lost charity shield with 2-1 against man city... And then it started, i started using 3 shouts and changed the style in the start of a game. Result: i'm on a 9 win streak with still no goal conceded. beat liverpool with 4-0, wigan 5-0, everton 3-0. start of game: Retain possession play throughballs through defence hassle opponents En take "counter" instead of control. At halftime there is always 1 central defender who gets a low rating (mostly the right one). Swap him with a new defender. i've been succesfull if i do these shouts and substitution. Greetz btw, tackling is still normal with me, and i havent got a single red card!! however when i was playing with lower rated teams, i got a lot of reds with this tactic edit 2: Damn you Rosler, now i'm addicted at my savegame thx to your tactic, and i got a whole workday in front of me without FM dont know if i'll get through this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 15, 2012 Author Share Posted November 15, 2012 i've been trying all kinds of tactics in +- 5 different save games (3 of my own tactics, and 6 downloaded from here). My own tactics did well for half a season, then it started to go down. Downloaded tactics didnt work or stopped working as well after a few months.I tried yours also in different savegames, but it was same problem. i had savegames in lower leagues of poland, russia, etc... Yesterday started new game with chelsea. Bought jovetic from fiorentina, and a columbian 26 y wingback right from an italian team (dont know name of player anymore ) friendly's didnt go well, lost charity shield with 2-1 against man city... And then it started, i started using 3 shouts and changed the style in the start of a game. Result: i'm on a 9 win streak with still no goal conceded. beat liverpool with 4-0, wigan 5-0, everton 3-0. start of game: Retain possession play throughballs through defence hassle opponents En take "counter" instead of control. At halftime there is always 1 central defender who gets a low rating (mostly the right one). Swap him with a new defender. i've been succesfull if i do these shouts and substitution. Greetz btw, tackling is still normal with me, and i havent got a single red card!! however when i was playing with lower rated teams, i got a lot of reds with this tactic edit 2: Damn you Rosler, now i'm addicted at my savegame thx to your tactic, and i got a whole workday in front of me without FM dont know if i'll get through this Glad to hear its going well. I think the secret is to commit to a tactic you like, accept that good runs will end, you will be defeated, sometimes your guys will be complacent and you will get a hammering. But if you get everything else right, build good squads, train well and keep morale high your next great run is only round the corner. Its great that you've found some shouts which seem to click, i'm still having outstanding success using the tactic in 'Vanilla' form, with no shouts but each to their own. Keep me posted! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjh123456 Posted November 16, 2012 Share Posted November 16, 2012 Glad to hear its going well.I think the secret is to commit to a tactic you like, accept that good runs will end, you will be defeated, sometimes your guys will be complacent and you will get a hammering. But if you get everything else right, build good squads, train well and keep morale high your next great run is only round the corner. Its great that you've found some shouts which seem to click, i'm still having outstanding success using the tactic in 'Vanilla' form, with no shouts but each to their own. Keep me posted! Worked great in BSS, won league (legit no restarts at all) by 11 pts.... BSP, worked great till christmas (2nd 1pt off top), but then.......... nothing 1 point in 9 games, maybe SI "hotfixed" it I am going to stick with it though, BSP is hard (as in trying to get decent players) good tactic though, and was fun whilst it lasted, P.S Rosler, What shouts are you using mate ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr U Rosler Posted November 16, 2012 Author Share Posted November 16, 2012 Worked great in BSS, won league (legit no restarts at all) by 11 pts....BSP, worked great till christmas (2nd 1pt off top), but then.......... nothing 1 point in 9 games, maybe SI "hotfixed" it I am going to stick with it though, BSP is hard (as in trying to get decent players) good tactic though, and was fun whilst it lasted, P.S Rosler, What shouts are you using mate ? NO shouts at all. Funnily enough i've also just run into a lull in form after smashing up the Championship for the first 30 games..... getting paranoid now....... and cant play for another 8 hours to see if it turns around.......... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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