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More about the home grown rules than training training.

I poached a number of 15/16 year old sin the summer and obviously would like them to be trained as home grown at the club. However, their development is often served better out on loan. Does sending them out on loan affect the home grown at club status?

Also, is there a way that I can reduce the dirtiness rating of a player as my BWMs consistently pick up many more yellow cards than other players. There's no mention of having a competitive streak in the coach report.

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Yes, they need to be training at your club to get HG-Club status, any time spent away on loan will not count.

As for your BWM you'll need to look for an appropriate senior player to tutor them & hope they pick up on their positive traits.

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In my Spurs save, every goal we've conceded this season (literally every single one) has come from a right-sided attacking midfielder (or an AM cutting in on the right if there's only one). The thing that confuses me is that my left-sided defenders are nominally better than the right-sided ones. I'm using FB-A, BPD-D, BPD-D and FB-A across the back line with a DM and a roaming playmaker in front of them. The left is the RPM side. Does the RPM mean that I don't have enough defensive cover on the left side?

Any advice would be appreciated.

Possible as the RPM is given license to roam. That could leave you a little more exposed.

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Hi, im trying to create fast, relatively direct tactic, with much movement...right now i set up the basic shape but I have some major issues. Even though pre-season is started one week ago, and decision attribute of whole of my team is awful, I noticed that the build-up play is too fast, its too rushed out, the ball often goes to lone striker after only 1,2 passes. The other problem is shooting from outside, too many low quality shots, this can be somewhat resolved by work ball into box instruction but if possible I want deeper reasons. Another thing thats in my mind is cm-s, is he too static?...im most satisfied with wide midfielders who are turned into deep inside forwards with get further forward, dribble more, run inside instructions.

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Just after some quick glancing advice. Last season I finished 7th in my second season with Bournemouth playing a flat 4-4-2, it was decent, but not quite prolific. This Summer I had one of my best players bought at release clause (Zivkovic - £45m) and also my main striker (Milik - £14.5m). Coupled with the money I was already given I went a bit crazy and absolutely stockpiled on central midfield players, all of which will be expecting to feature as close to first team as possible. So with that in mind, I've had to re-jink my tactic and I've come up with a 4-4-2 narrow diamond (below).

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So from the above you can kind of see my dilemma. I need to fit Wilshire, Romero, Bender, Bentancur and Arter (fyi awesome for me as RPM last season) into the squad, and I almost bought a transfer listed Goretzka too! Naturally rotation will need to occur, but I can't handle a mutiny early season for lack of game time. I also don't have any wingers of note to use (still have about £70m to spend should I need to and I think I may look to bring in another striker).

Looking at the screenshot, does that basic diamond look sensible? My biggest concerns, naturally, is having enough width in attack and also to effectively defend the flanks especially when it comes to opposition winger/fullback double team. I also worry about the roles of the entire front 3 (may look to change the CFs into a DLF or F9).

In theory I want to apply high pressure from the front and in the midfield to win back early, then remain somewhat composed on the ball while we look for our openings (I may remove higher tempo from team instructions, may see how it plays for a few games). Only PI I have are for the fullbacks to stay wide and for DMd to close down much less as I think him keeping shape in defence will be crucial - moreso than those above him anyway.

From the SS you can see I also have/had a 4321 (Christmas tree style), but this is an absolute nightmare when it comes to defending the flanks, the lack of a DM seemed detrimental - and dropping a midfield to DM made the formation look, well, weird (and even more narrow).

Cheers.

i'd tell your team to close down opp full back every match, as i do i play 5-1-2-2 so only one set on wings and i think it's important when there's no direct opposition.

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They were probably right, AML/R with attack duties suggest that they will often have been left exposed on the flanks, to achieve a system with an attacking emphasis while protecting your defence from counter attacks you are going to have to consider dropping players back to your midfield line & using TIs & PIs to then add attacking intent when in possession.

Thanks for the reply Barside, I appreciate it. I did mostly some situational changes, keeping the positions as they were. The most relevant was changing the BBM to AP(S). It has been doing fine though. Right now I'm experiment with different role combinations on the midfield.

I have another question though. How can one distinguish, while looking through a match, if a given turnover in possession was caused by the role, positioning, bad decisions, bad anticipation or bad off the ball of a player? I did some screenshots from a play, it's somewhat recurrent, but not specific of a given player, it's just an example (available here, on imgur). My left fullback applies pressure to the opposing winger, he tries to pass to the striker but the pass is intercepted by my box-to-box midfielder. He plays the ball to my left inside forward who dribbles a litte and plays a pass to the middle of the field, to the right striker, a trequartista. Instead of receiving the pass, he starts to move forward, and the ball is intercepted by the opposition central defender. The player in question - Ari, has 15 anticipation, 15 decisions, but 12 off the ball.

Can anyone give me some insight on this? Maybe if the trequartista was a false 9 instead, the play would be successful? Or maybe with a fluid shape? Maybe if the trequartista was on the AMC slot? PI instructions? Where should I look and why?

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Hey, stopped playing FM for about two versions. Has the option to adjust your home pitch size been removed from this version? I am just curious because I holidayed most of my preseason.

In the EPL, you don't get that option because it is mandatory that the pitch has the same size. Other leagues? Yes

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Thanks for the reply Barside, I appreciate it. I did mostly some situational changes, keeping the positions as they were. The most relevant was changing the BBM to AP(S). It has been doing fine though. Right now I'm experiment with different role combinations on the midfield.

I have another question though. How can one distinguish, while looking through a match, if a given turnover in possession was caused by the role, positioning, bad decisions, bad anticipation or bad off the ball of a player? I did some screenshots from a play, it's somewhat recurrent, but not specific of a given player, it's just an example (available here, on imgur). My left fullback applies pressure to the opposing winger, he tries to pass to the striker but the pass is intercepted by my box-to-box midfielder. He plays the ball to my left inside forward who dribbles a litte and plays a pass to the middle of the field, to the right striker, a trequartista. Instead of receiving the pass, he starts to move forward, and the ball is intercepted by the opposition central defender. The player in question - Ari, has 15 anticipation, 15 decisions, but 12 off the ball.

Can anyone give me some insight on this? Maybe if the trequartista was a false 9 instead, the play would be successful? Or maybe with a fluid shape? Maybe if the trequartista was on the AMC slot? PI instructions? Where should I look and why?

You're probably over thinking about the mistake, in this case I'd expect that the simple answer of a poor or under hit pass is the most likely one.

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Hi,

This is FM15.

How should I train players who are fully developed? I've downloaded an editor to check, and the players in question have no PA left. My team's general training is on Balanced and lowest intensity. With the players in question, I'm not really sure what to do. With some of them, I assign a free skill (like free kicks), with others I keep training them in their role and with some I just give them no individual focus at all.

The problem is that frequently they get red arrows all over the place. It annoys me. Some even lose one or two full values on certain skills, while still retaining their CA. So is what's happening that their CA gets assigned to other skills? I don't want that. I just want them to remain as they are.

So what should I do?

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Hi,

This is FM15.

How should I train players who are fully developed? I've downloaded an editor to check, and the players in question have no PA left. My team's general training is on Balanced and lowest intensity. With the players in question, I'm not really sure what to do. With some of them, I assign a free skill (like free kicks), with others I keep training them in their role and with some I just give them no individual focus at all.

The problem is that frequently they get red arrows all over the place. It annoys me. Some even lose one or two full values on certain skills, while still retaining their CA. So is what's happening that their CA gets assigned to other skills? I don't want that. I just want them to remain as they are.

So what should I do?

If you are losing a full point or two, then yes, they are getting redistributed based on the training schedule. The best solution I have found with this is average training and focus on the role that best suits what you want from them- not necessarily the role they play for you. This way, the attributes that matter most to you will stay maxed out. Personally, when a player hit 28 or so, I drop the individual focus *unless* I am trying to redistribute some points (which doesn't always work). And just to make you feel a bit better, if the skills are showing red arrows, but only dropping a tenth or two, then that is normal and nothing to be concerned about. If often happens over the course of a season- same with the masses of green that appear from time to time. Its only when, as you've noticed, that they drop a a significant amount that you should look to adjust the training.

Also, and this is probably something you know, but be sure the players aren't coming off a lengthy injury :)

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If you are losing a full point or two, then yes, they are getting redistributed based on the training schedule. The best solution I have found with this is average training and focus on the role that best suits what you want from them- not necessarily the role they play for you. This way, the attributes that matter most to you will stay maxed out. Personally, when a player hit 28 or so, I drop the individual focus *unless* I am trying to redistribute some points (which doesn't always work). And just to make you feel a bit better, if the skills are showing red arrows, but only dropping a tenth or two, then that is normal and nothing to be concerned about. If often happens over the course of a season- same with the masses of green that appear from time to time. Its only when, as you've noticed, that they drop a a significant amount that you should look to adjust the training.

Also, and this is probably something you know, but be sure the players aren't coming off a lengthy injury :)

does the current FM16 work work like that when it comes to PA? people running out of it etc?

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while role in central midfield (center circle midfielder not attacking) do people think scores the most goals in general?

i'm really not sure maybe just center mid (att) could be b2b?

what do you lot think?

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while role in central midfield (center circle midfielder not attacking) do people think scores the most goals in general?

i'm really not sure maybe just center mid (att) could be b2b?

what do you lot think?

Your simplifying it too much, it depends on your teams style, the movement patterns and type of chances created.

A Poacher in theory is focused on scoring, but might not score as much as a different role depending on your teams style & the roles around him.

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does the current FM16 work work like that when it comes to PA? people running out of it etc?

FM does and always has worked this way- once a player reaches his potential, he can no longer improve. You can still train and shape attributes past that point, but no more overall improvement.

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If I´m correct the width setting in team instructions sets the with in the attacking phase?

How do I set my defensive width? I know it's not possible, but I want my full backs to sit very narrow. At this moment they are leaving quite a bit of space between themselves and the centre back for opponent wingers to cut into. Does the role my fullback has also have impact on the defensive side for him? I see a lot of trough balls between my left full back and left centre back, and my left full back plays as a attacking full back (attack). Does this role adds more defensive width as compared to a fullback on defend duty?

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If I´m correct the width setting in team instructions sets the with in the attacking phase?

How do I set my defensive width? I know it's not possible, but I want my full backs to sit very narrow. At this moment they are leaving quite a bit of space between themselves and the centre back for opponent wingers to cut into. Does the role my fullback has also have impact on the defensive side for him? I see a lot of trough balls between my left full back and left centre back, and my left full back plays as a attacking full back (attack). Does this role adds more defensive width as compared to a fullback on defend duty?

Width is with the ball, defensively width is governed by your formation, shape, and mentality. The narrowest you will see is a defensive or contain mentality and one of the fluid mentalities. Other than that, the fullbacks don't really tuck in in this ME. Even with a defend duty, they will not play narrower, really, but just not be as adventurous going forward and will default to deeper stating point. When deeper, they will be better able to get across and pick up their man. With an attacking back, that is one of the risks, right? He will leave space based on how you have set him up- it's the tradeoff.

The other element that helps is to have a solid midfield screen in front. If you have a CM or DM that can disrupt attacking patterns, this allows your FBs to get back into position.

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Thanks for your comment! Dropped my winger from the AMR/AML slot to the MR/MR spot and due to them tracking back more the fullbacks are also sitting more narrowly. Seems to work for now.

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Currently managing Brackley Town in first season. After a strong start to the season alternating between a fairly simple 4-4-2 and a more counter attack based 4-1-4-1, we're now playing pretty badly. We are near the bottom of the league on the team comparison page for work rate, determination, leadership, decision making and aggression. Neither of my tactics or anything else I've tried have asked the players to do anything complicated, but with the obvious glaring issues in the side that aren't easily rectified at this level, would the correct approach perhaps be to just play simple, long ball football and cut out the middle man, so to speak? Trying to play any sort of passing game hasn't really worked and seems counter-intuitive considering our poor decision makers we have right now, many of whom just can't really be bothered anyway. This is an interesting challenge as even managing some of the worst teams in the game, they normally still excel in a couple of areas. This squad I have right now have many weaknesses and no particular strengths.

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can someone explain why a certain player seems not to be able to tutor anyone? it's not his rep as a player with the same rep points can so i can't work what the reason could be?

and do you know how long you have to wait before a player can tutor again as i've waited a few months now and it still just says he's just finished tutoring someone?

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some of my players are saying they feel the individual training focus i've put them on will have no benefit, (often jumping) does this mean with any certainty that that attribute is not gonna improve for a while?

or is it just the players moaning?

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Hello everyone,

My team has poor decision rating (18th in the legue), should i take it into account, when choosing mentality? Or in counter and control requirements to decision attribute are the same?

Thanks in advance.

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i'm thinking of training a PPM to a player but the coaches are telling me they don't think he'll be able to learn it.

does anyone know if the coaches opinion actually has any truth to whether the player will learn it or fail?

if not is there another thing we can look at to give us an indication of whether the player will pass or fail?

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can someone explain why a certain player seems not to be able to tutor anyone? it's not his rep as a player with the same rep points can so i can't work what the reason could be?

and do you know how long you have to wait before a player can tutor again as i've waited a few months now and it still just says he's just finished tutoring someone?

There is more to tutoring than just rep. Squad status, age, injuries, PPM training, recent tutoring of someone else, and rep all come into play.

some of my players are saying they feel the individual training focus i've put them on will have no benefit, (often jumping) does this mean with any certainty that that attribute is not gonna improve for a while?

or is it just the players moaning?

If they are getting benefit, ignore them. It's probably just reflective of a poor personality. And haven't you asked a question before about jumping? (ie., mostly a pointless training exercise).

Hello everyone,

My team has poor decision rating (18th in the legue), should i take it into account, when choosing mentality? Or in counter and control requirements to decision attribute are the same?

Thanks in advance.

Personally I very rarely look at the Decisions attribute when picking a mentality.

i'm thinking of training a PPM to a player but the coaches are telling me they don't think he'll be able to learn it.

does anyone know if the coaches opinion actually has any truth to whether the player will learn it or fail?

if not is there another thing we can look at to give us an indication of whether the player will pass or fail?

Ignore your coaches, they haven't got a clue. The success or failure of PPM training is all down to magic. Either that, or complex algorithms programmed by SI that include a chance for failure.

I prefer my magic theory.

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Anybody has another opinion?:)

The Decisions attribute helps a player decide what to do based on the options he has available to him.

He needs to do that regardless of which mentality you pick, so there isn't really much need to base your choice of mentality on your team's Decision ranking in the league.

Mentality is about risk taking (Defensive = low risk; Attacking = high risk; each other mentality is just a step change from the previous one), so consider that when picking a mentality rather than your players' Decisions attribute.

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Anybody has another opinion?:)

With low Decisions, your team will be error prone in all phases of play, so I agree mentality doesn't matter much assuming your team's poor tactical intelligence is balanced out by other strengths. I would, however, consider playing a style that demands less of players' tactical decision-making and, if possible, use your most tactically intelligent players as playmakers.

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I would, however, consider playing a style that demands less of players' tactical decision-making

Thats what i mean:) If we play counter attack mentality we should just holding a shape, without too complicate for us closing down or possession. Another words, when you looking penetration possibilities or trying to provide intelligent closing down, you need good decision. Low mentality save you from this.

What do you mean when talking about playing style if you don't mean mentality:) I red your Tactician's Handbook and think that fast transition in attack and containment in defense suit well, but i thought it is all about counter attacking mentality:) Where i am wrong?

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so i've just got the Spain job and it looks like the formation to play is 4-2-3-1 (narrow) an issue i'm having is the 3 att mids are so close to each other i'm having trouble getting the best out of each of them and them not getting in each other's way, if it makes any difference the players are Isco, Mata and Herrera.

any advice would be great thanks.

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so i've just got the Spain job and it looks like the formation to play is 4-2-3-1 (narrow) an issue i'm having is the 3 att mids are so close to each other i'm having trouble getting the best out of each of them and them not getting in each other's way, if it makes any difference the players are Isco, Mata and Herrera.

any advice would be great thanks.

You know the answer to that already :brock: ---> "post your detailed tactical system, what issues you are seeing, and someone should be able to help".

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okay, i've gone fluid, fairly wide, slightley higher, much lower tempo, closing down sometimes, short passing, play out of defence, overlap and work ball into box on a attacking mentality, now my my problem seems to be my 3 att mids aren't shining it seems like they are getting in each others way, so has anyone hot any advice for 3 att mids on narrow?

Thanks

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Herne79 did say detailed system. That's just a list of TIs.

Give them roles and duties (or PIs even) that make them not get in each others way and consider the TI - Stick to Positions.

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As HUNT3R says, that's not a detailed system.

Why ask for a detailed system? Because you have to consider everything. You can't detach a certain portion of your set up - in this case your 3 attacking mids - from everything else. It all needs to balance.

Sure it would be easy to tell you to use a Shadow Striker, a Trequartista and an Attacking Midfielder (I'm not telling you to use them, it's just to illustrate the point) - but how are they going to combine with whatever striker role you are using? Or your midfielders? Or your fullbacks? Or your intended style of play? But we don't know that information because you haven't provided a detailed system - so we can't provide any suggestions.

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okay cool,

fb(a) cd(d)x2 wb(s)

b2b cm(d)

ap(a)ap(s)am(s)

cf(a)

a problem might be the tactical familarity being so bad but then i guess it's like that for all nations teams,

games are so few and far between and i'm right at the start of the Euro league so no real time to experiment.

i'd like to play a possession style football with lot of movement. but it's a role i'm not familiar with as i've never used it with my club,

so any advice would be nice.

i'm thinking of adding a trequartista for the next match instead of one of the Ap.

the problem i guess is they are all playing okay 7, but none of them are standing out and leaving a positive mark on the game, and i'm not sure how to get them all to shine when in such close proximity to each other.

something i'm thinking about is would it be best if i went wide to create more room for each of them to play or narrow to focus the teams play through the centre where i am strong?

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am i right in thinking all national teams are at awkward for tactical familarity? or does it improve a lot if you stay in the job?

just played Italy and somehow managed to win in probably the luckiest game i've had, interestingly they play 4-2-3-1 narrow aswell but didn't seem to have the problems i had,

1 thing i need to do is get the att mids to track their full backs as they had way too much space, also there was many times when one of my players had no idea what to do with the ball or would basically run into a team mate.

if anyone else has used this formation any tips would be great thanks.

i could possibly go 5-1-2-2 like i do with my club or maybe -5-2-1-2 but i'd really like to try something different for a learning experience.

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okay cool,

fb(a) cd(d)x2 wb(s)

b2b cm(d)

ap(a)ap(s)am(s)

cf(a)

- For one thing, it's still a 4-2-3-1, so you need to have 2 holding midfielders - especially here where you're trying (should be anyway) to create space for the 3 to operate in.

- Next, you have 2 playmakers next to each other. That surely will be an issue as they'll both be drifting into the same spaces?

- Then, who apart from the CF/A is going to score in that setup? I'm just trying to see what the idea is here.

- Just watch a few minutes of a match in full to see if players are all operating in their own space. Think about space and how you will get 3 players, who are very close to each other, operating in their own space. One sits, one more attacking and one pulling wide maybe? Or 2 sit deeper (one just dropping and the other dropping and drifting wide) and 1 attacking? Think about it.

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am i right in thinking all national teams are at awkward for tactical familarity?
It'll improve a bit, but obviously you only have those players for a couple of days every few months, so you don't really have time to get them to be very familiar with what's going on.
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i've gone structured as i thought as my attacking players are so good they should be able to be left to do there own thing and the extra spacing would help, then i drew 5-5 with Ukraine so it seems half my team is working fine, then i beat italy 1-0 previous match (though i should of lost) thank god for De Gea, i changed my central mid to DLP(d) and CM(d) but i can never get a CM(d) to get a good end of match rating.

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Playing in Italy and wondering what determines training workload for u-20 and u-18. Even when i do nothing it switches between medium and heavy without training intensity, resting days changing or coaches leaving/incoming.

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Hello i have truble with my u-20 and u-18 training intensity. It jumps between medium and heavy without me interfering, i cant se anything changing but for some reason the intensity keeps changing and whenever it goes to high i get alot of unhappy players.

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#1: How conservative can the DM(S) role be thought of when playing a 4-2-3-1 DM formation in a very fluid style with mixed passing, lower tempo? His partner would be a DM(D).

#2: How likely a DLF(A) is to be isolated on a very fluid system playing (usually) in a lower tempo, formation 4-1-4-1 DM? His partners would be a Winger and a Wide Midfielder set up as inside forward. CMs are likely to be a BWM and a B2B or an AP.

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Hello i have truble with my u-20 and u-18 training intensity. It jumps between medium and heavy without me interfering, i cant se anything changing but for some reason the intensity keeps changing and whenever it goes to high i get alot of unhappy players.

Do you have a u20 or u18 manager? Look in the staff responsibilities and make sure you're in-charge of them.

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#1: How conservative can the DM(S) role be thought of when playing a 4-2-3-1 DM formation in a very fluid style with mixed passing, lower tempo? His partner would be a DM(D).

#2: How likely a DLF(A) is to be isolated on a very fluid system playing (usually) in a lower tempo, formation 4-1-4-1 DM? His partners would be a Winger and a Wide Midfielder set up as inside forward. CMs are likely to be a BWM and a B2B or an AP.

1 - Depends what you call 'conservative'. If you're playing 4231 DM though I don't see how your DMC's would link the front 4 though with those two DMC roles you mention using.

2 - Isolation depends on what the players around him are doing. There's no way to know for sure unless you watch the game and see if the other roles are doing enough to stop the isolation or not.

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1 - Depends what you call 'conservative'. If you're playing 4231 DM though I don't see how your DMC's would link the front 4 though with those two DMC roles you mention using.

2 - Isolation depends on what the players around him are doing. There's no way to know for sure unless you watch the game and see if the other roles are doing enough to stop the isolation or not.

1 - Doesn't mixed passing + clear ball to flanks help with that? Perhaps switching the DM(D) to a DLP(D). The AM should ideally be dropping deep as it's on support duty and usually has high work rate or comes deep to get ball PPM.

2 - I often see you giving this kind of advice, and i can tell for sure that you know a hell lot of football. But I don't! Just a suggestion, you're a great mod, but if you could be a bit clearer on what to notice. I'm saying this because I tried to watch the game on other issues trying to find the problem, but i just couldnt lol

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1 - No how would that help? So you have a playmaker who you want to drop deep and will be the focus of the sides attacks. Yet you're on about bypassing him and clearing the ball to the flanks? How will that help link play better?

2 - Haha a bit clearer? You mean more than the thousands of threads I've done about how to create tactics and how to spot issues etc? The next step up from that would be to go round to peoples homes and show them how to play the game...........I can only show people what to do, it's down to you as the user to take responsibility and use that information. I can't make you understand that's down to you. I can only show you how myself and others do things.

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Do playing with WB(A) focus passing to them?

Only playmaker roles attract the ball. So for the WBA no, they don't attract the ball more than normal. That's not to say you can't channel play through them more though.

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Only playmaker roles attract the ball. So for the WBA no, they don't attract the ball more than normal. That's not to say you can't channel play through them more though.

Nice one. I had a wide player who I want to be the main creator of my team, would IF(S) or an AP(S) in the AMR position yield better results. Baring in mind I already have a AP(S) in the MC position or is that acceptable?

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Nice one. I had a wide player who I want to be the main creator of my team, would IF(S) or an AP(S) in the AMR position yield better results.

If you read the descriptions and look at the PIs and Key Attributes for an Inside Forward on Support and a Wide Playmaker Support, what would you think will better suit the main creator of the team?

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