New Laptop/PC- Help Needed

[Otis]

What's your opinion on the XPS line? I just picked up an XPS 15 from Dell Outlet for £900 with the following specs:

Intel® Core™ i7-7700HQ

16GB DDR4 SDRAM

512GB PCIe Solid State Drive

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Graphics 

I'm hoping this will be more than adequate for FM and will last me a good couple of years. I just hope I receive a good unit since I know the XPS line is known for it's QC issues, 

 

[Smurf]

Not aware of any QC with Dell - but if you're not happy send it back. 

It's good enough for FM for sure.

[peteransnr]

Looks like a lot of the prices on saveonlaptops have gone up from yesterday, which is a shame. Does anyone know what specs to ensure I have if I want to run: 

• 10 leagues; 
• Have graphics set as the best they can be with no lag;
• A fan not roaring 'cos the laptop is struggling.

Thanks! 

[Smurf]

Whats your budget

[kappes2400]

As a lot of others in here Im looking for a laptop that can handle fm18/19 with a larger database and 10+ leagues.

Will the attached specs do the job?

Im from Denmark, and the specs are from a danish reseller, but I guess the specs explain themselves.

 

[peteransnr]

5 hours ago, Smurf said:

Whats your budget

I would prefer £500, mate, but could possibly stretch to £750.

[Smurf]

9 hours ago, kappes2400 said:

As a lot of others in here Im looking for a laptop that can handle fm18/19 with a larger database and 10+ leagues.

Will the attached specs do the job?

Im from Denmark, and the specs are from a danish reseller, but I guess the specs explain themselves.

 

Looks good

6 hours ago, peteransnr said:

I would prefer £500, mate, but could possibly stretch to £750.

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GD-E4278T-ASUS-FX504GD-E4278T-Gaming-Laptop_2315681.html

You can get it cheaper if you go for lesser hd space or down to just mechanical drive.

But this would be good.

[GerdMuller]

As i said before i basically ordered about the same Laptop(the one kappes mentioned) from MSI, and had a i5U before and a i7 7700HQ, sure this one hereis the best Computer if them but i still dont know if it really is worth it, games show more cores than 4 are barely used and especially FM seems to use the 1st core mainly and use the Ghz. So i saw the 5U wasnt even that far from the 7700 HQ gaming notebook. With the new 8.th generation i do fear that i could have paid more for useless more cores and the first core even tacts slower. So i see the more money could be totally spent in vain or even hurt. I think atm  an i5 still would be the pric effective sweetspot for FM. The i7 HQ was great thought and seems the top end machine to use . I fear the 8850 i 7 could have beeen overkill, i just got it for 60 Euros more , but already regret it a bit. Cant see SI really using the multiple core tech really in the foreseeable future above a heavily used 1st  core with barely used up to 4/6 cores and no usage at more. If i coud really choose i would always develop the 1st core as good as it gets and forget the rest above 4 cores def. atm. Hope i am so proven wrong and my new Laptop IS running better. :-)) BTW would hyperthreading be any use then? Or just ruin my expansive hardware? Are there good tutorials? 

BTW thanks for your help here , when i first read the thread i got the good tip to go for intels as they have the power on the cores not among them, also i5 U as is said and got first seems still the best tip. But that MSIi7 HQ still seems the absolute best machine if you want the sane upper hand. Really hope theres some benefits behind my logic in 8th Gen still, but then i dont see much out there that makes FM faster really and isnt just sitting there unused.

[westy8chimp]

On 31/08/2018 at 20:41, westy8chimp said:

I went for the asus £650 

Gona finish the season on old laptop... Only a few games left... Then start a new game some point over the weekend on new laptop. Ill let you know how it is

https://www.box.co.uk/N580VD-DM029T-ASUS-VivoBook-Pro-N580VD-DM029T_2403780.html

So far so good... Lovely 3d graphics, really quick processing speed. A few annoying things that i guess are part and parcel of any windows home edition.... Cortina! Stfu... Emails popping up etc...will need to spend some time removing a lot of the fluff.

The audio is fantastic... Watchin celtic vs rangers atm on laptop instead of tv as picture and sound is better (i have a 50 inch modern smart tv too...) 

@b101 as per your question in tactic thread

[peteransnr]

7 hours ago, Smurf said:

Looks good

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GD-E4278T-ASUS-FX504GD-E4278T-Gaming-Laptop_2315681.html

You can get it cheaper if you go for lesser hd space or down to just mechanical drive.

But this would be good.

Thanks!

[Guest]

5 hours ago, GerdMuller said:

As i said before i basically ordered about the same Laptop(the one kappes mentioned) from MSI, and had a i5U before and a i7 7700HQ, sure this one hereis the best Computer if them but i still dont know if it really is worth it, games show more cores than 4 are barely used and especially FM seems to use the 1st core mainly and use the Ghz. So i saw the 5U wasnt even that far from the 7700 HQ gaming notebook. With the new 8.th generation i do fear that i could have paid more for useless more cores and the first core even tacts slower. So i see the more money could be totally spent in vain or even hurt. I think atm  an i5 still would be the pric effective sweetspot for FM. The i7 HQ was great thought and seems the top end machine to use . I fear the 8850 i 7 could have beeen overkill, i just got it for 60 Euros more , but already regret it a bit. Cant see SI really using the multiple core tech really in the foreseeable future above a heavily used 1st  core with barely used up to 4/6 cores and no usage at more. If i coud really choose i would always develop the 1st core as good as it gets and forget the rest above 4 cores def. atm. Hope i am so proven wrong and my new Laptop IS running better. :-)) BTW would hyperthreading be any use then? Or just ruin my expansive hardware? Are there good tutorials? 

BTW thanks for your help here , when i first read the thread i got the good tip to go for intels as they have the power on the cores not among them, also i5 U as is said and got first seems still the best tip. But that MSIi7 HQ still seems the absolute best machine if you want the sane upper hand. Really hope theres some benefits behind my logic in 8th Gen still, but then i dont see much out there that makes FM faster really and isnt just sitting there unused.

The higher spec cpu allows you to run a larger & more realistic simulation at a lower cost in processing time than your previous cpu. Of course if you never knew the option to increase realism existed or did but had no interest then you’re correct, buying an i7 over the equivalent i5 is not worthwhile unless you run other applications that require the addition virtual cores.

[GerdMuller]

Ok so you mean basically with more leagues i do benefit from additional cores after all? Its really the core question i had, if it is of any use at all and if even for a deeper configuration the MHz Speed isnt the deciding factor after all not the numbr of cores. All i have seen so ar i will be alrigt and the new processor at least not slower, even if there wont be much difference , i have to admit i paid only 60 Eurs more  for the 8.th gernartion so it should be ok, would be just bad if it actually was slower becauseit has a slower base clocking power.So still think the i5U is the way to go considering cost and what you get for it. i7 is rather costly but has effect, but the jump form 7700 HQ to 7850 then really seems not worth it much. But its ok i guess.

 

And realism: different, i loved a file down to 7th league in germany with my 7700 HQ but that one even got slow then, but i took away more and more leagues as is got up to 2.  Bundesliga so far where runing less and less leagues is viable with an i 5 easily. LL is fun and lots of leagues, but being efficient i guess means its not orth it really and an i5 still great for the game.

[wayne'o]

1 minute ago, GerdMuller said:

Ok so you mean basically with more leagues i do benefit from additional cores after all? Its really the core question i had, if it is of any use at all and if even for a deeper configuration the MHz Speed isnt the deciding factor after all not the numbr of cores. All i have seen so ar i will be alrigt and the new processor at least not slower, even if there wont be much difference , i have to admit i paid only 60 Eurs more  for the 8.th gernartion so it should be ok, would be just bad if it actually was slower becauseit has a slower base clocking power.So still think the i5U is the way to go considering cost and what you get for it. i7 is rather costly but has effect, but the jump form 7700 HQ to 7850 then really seems not worth it much. But its ok i guess.

Think of it as a longer investment, if you see your self playing FM 5 yea s from now the i7 May still be good enough to run the game with ease.. Technology changes fast and games become more demanding..   some people spend 100’s of thousands on fast cars when they could just buy a basic model, you still have to adhere to the 70mph speed limit,   If you can afford to buy a good pc then that’s cool..

id rather have a 4GHz using 4 cores from six than I would a 3GHz using 4 cores from 4 cores.  Faster DDR4 Ram will help although anything over 8Gb is excessive..

So if you don’t pay the extra no for a machine that will last longer you may have to pay it next year or the year after..

[GerdMuller]

I see tha argument but i woud say dont do that thinking because if you invest in the future it nevr pays off reall it can go a totally different way, as you see still more cores are badly used who knows if companies dont go another way in the future and you have some extra cores forever but your basic speed cant keep up for long as will be a basic problem that you fall so fast behind as development is so fast an unpredictable. I know in the 90s we said a 486 processor is so overpowered you are done for years.....the market isnt at all like that ..FM may be a bit of special here as it alloes older machines to run it very long, but with more focus on the appearance of the game which seems to come i guess this could vchange too. I think investing in the future of a PC always is a bad investment. I may be biased too because i had 2 different new Laptops crashed in the last half year beyond repair :-D

[GerdMuller]

vor 19 Minuten schrieb wayne'o:

 

id rather have a 4GHz using 4 cores from six than I would a 3GHz using 4 cores from 4 cores.

My real concern was a 7th generation with 4 cores at 2.7 might be faster even than a  7850H with 6 cores but only 2.2 basic tact, and that would be a little devastating to pay more for less, because basically my PC is for FM and word will work anyway :-D

[Smurf]

Yeh, even though the 7850H is slower at 2.2ghz - it has a larger cache and better DDR4 support for faster RAM, which can make it turbo boost to 4.1ghz for single core - and it gives it an overall performance boost in single core by about 10%. 

The 8750H is a worthy competitor to the 7700HQ - definitely very interesting. 

If you were to get the 8750H then I'd recommend getting the DDR4 2666mhz RAM. 

 

I'd be more inclined towards the 8850H for FM. However, there are price points.

Most people that come here are on a budget of below £800 and it's difficult to break away from the i5-7300HQ and the i7=-7700hq as they are so popular in laptops. Going any higher than this puts you in the price bracket of +£1000.

 

When it comes down to it, if someone has the budget for an i7-770hq over an i5 I would recommend the i7 as it's slightly better overall. 

 

[GerdMuller]

So this one is on the way now, surely no budget but thanks you helped me a lot, i still say the I5U was great, the i7HQ perfect and this one might be a bit to mucch maybe but looking forward to it now still.

https://www.msi.com/Laptop/GL73-8RC  Got it brandnew for 850 Euro, seems a good deal.

Any problem that memory is a tick behind the suggestion?

Also have a memory left from the "olD" msi can i put that in or could it slow the pc if it is a slower one?

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

If the difference in cost can be used for other components or simply to stay in their pocket the average FM’er is wasting their money with an i7 unless they have other uses for the additional proessing capability.

[Smurf]

32 minutes ago, Barside said:

If the difference in cost can be used for other components or simply to stay in their pocket the average FM’er is wasting their money with an i7 unless they have other uses for the additional proessing capability.

Absolutely - but on a budget of 800 for example - it comes down to taste and what the user wants. 

There's 16gb RAM vs 8gb, there's the 1050 4gb vs the 1050 2gb, there's the 7700hq with 1060 vs 8350H with 

7700hq vs 5300hq vs 8300h vs 8750h etc.

 

No wonder it's so confusing!!!

[DaveCity]

Hey smurf what if you had £1k for a 17 incher!? 

I have seen this? 

https://www.box.co.uk/(Open-Box)-HP-OMEN-17-an002na_2369523.html

 

Is it overkill for a bit of FM lol

[Guest]

If you do not increase match processing settings then yea, it is overkill for FM but as Smurf has eluded to if you can afford it without stretching your finances the spec’s a fine.

[Smurf]

9 hours ago, DaveCity said:

Hey smurf what if you had £1k for a 17 incher!? 

I have seen this? 

https://www.box.co.uk/(Open-Box)-HP-OMEN-17-an002na_2369523.html

 

Is it overkill for a bit of FM lol

What do you want out of FM. Are you looking for long career saves, short careers? Lots of leauges/divisions loaded, large/medium/small database. 

It all depends - are you wanting to play 3D matches with every detail set to highest? 

It's a fine computer - but there's one's in the screengrab above that are just as good for cheaper. But it depends on what you want it for.

Do you do anything else? 

 

[Der General]

I’m looking to buy an ultrabook soon, so I’d like your help with making my choice. What I need is something light and portable (therefore, an ultrabook), as an all-around machine. Firstly, for business - Office, internet, heavy data analyss (which is why it needs appearance and portability), then for (casual) gaming. I only play FM, but given the investment, I’d like it to run smoothly on heavy setup. 

I’ve looked at Lenovo Yoga 920 and HP Spectre x360, but I’m open to other suggestions in 1500 euro price range. Thanks!

[Smurf]

42 minutes ago, Der General said:

I’m looking to buy an ultrabook soon, so I’d like your help with making my choice. What I need is something light and portable (therefore, an ultrabook), as an all-around machine. Firstly, for business - Office, internet, heavy data analyss (which is why it needs appearance and portability), then for (casual) gaming. I only play FM, but given the investment, I’d like it to run smoothly on heavy setup. 

I’ve looked at Lenovo Yoga 920 and HP Spectre x360, but I’m open to other suggestions in 1500 euro price range. Thanks!

Some info found online for ultrabooks

Quote

The norms state that any ultrabook with a 14 inch screen or larger has to be 21 mm (0.83 inches) thick or less, unless it packs a touchscreen, in which case it can go up to 23 mm (0.9 inches). Any ultrabook with a 13.3 inch screen or smaller needs to be 18 mm (0.71 inches) thick or less.

source: https://www.ultrabookreview.com/2796-ultrabook-definition/

I don't know if this is exactly what you're after. But it's thin. 

Chassis & Display

Recoil Series: 15.6" Matte Full HD 60Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080)

 

• Ultra thin: just 19.9mm (excluding rubber feet)
• Narrow Bezel Design

Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 8750H (2.2GHz, 4.1GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (2 x 8GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1050 Ti - 4.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1^st Hard Disk
NOT REQUIRED
1^st M.2 SSD Drive
256GB ADATA SX6000 PCIe M.2 2280 (1000 MB/R, 800 MB/W)
2^nd M.2 SSD Drive
256GB ADATA SX6000 PCIe M.2 2280 (1000 MB/R, 800 MB/W)
Memory Card Reader
Integrated 2 in 1 Memory Card Reader (SD, MMC)
AC Adaptor
1 x 120W AC Adaptor
Battery
Recoil II Series 46WH Lithium Ion Battery
Power Cable
1 x 1 Metre Cloverleaf UK Power Cable
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND
Sound Card
2 Channel High Def. Audio + SoundBlaster™ Cinema 3
Bluetooth & Wireless
GIGABIT LAN & WIRELESS INTEL® AC-9560 M.2 (1.73Gbps, 802.11AC) +BT 5.0
USB Options
1 x USB 3.1 PORT (Type C) + 2 x USB 3.1 PORTS + 1 x USB 2.0 PORT
Keyboard Language
PER-KEY RGB BACKLIT UK MECHANICAL KEYBOARD
Operating System
Genuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]
Operating System Language
United Kingdom - English Language
Windows Recovery Media
Windows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account
Office Software
FREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)
Anti-Virus
BullGuard™ Internet Security - Free 90 Day License inc. Gamer Mode
Browser
Microsoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)
Notebook Mouse
INTEGRATED 2 BUTTON TOUCHPAD MOUSE
Webcam
INTEGRATED 1MP HD WEBCAM
Warranty
3 Year Standard Warranty (1 Month Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)
Delivery
2 - 3 DAY DELIVERY TO REPUBLIC OF IRELAND
Build Time
Standard Build - Approximately 3 to 5 working days

Price €1,337.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/recoil-ii-15/JP7FH8fgnu/

 

Other worthy contenders

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/UX550VD-BN011T-ASUS-ZenBook-Pro-UX550VD-BN011T-with-GTX_2254534.html

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/N580VD-DM029T-ASUS-VivoBook-Pro-N580VD-DM029T_2403780.html

 

[wayne'o]

15 hours ago, Barside said:

If you do not increase match processing settings then yea, it is overkill for FM but as Smurf has eluded to if you can afford it without stretching your finances the spec’s a fine.

I find it a bit bizarre people can’t look at the minimum specs required for FM then check it against a pc or laptop to see if it can run FM, even more so if someone only has a budget of £500.

in all seriousness if your paying the lowest amount to buy something which can barely run the game how long is it going to last until needing upgrading?  Has there been any definitive answer as to FM19 and it’s required specs?  Maybe it will go up? FM is an ever revolving game so I’d assume the specs needed to play it will go up each version released?

if your a vivid fan of pc games in general and need a top spec pc you can find your self having to pay around £500-£700 on the latest graphic cards on a regular basis just to be able to play new releases..

if I had the choice to pay £500 for a minimum spec pc this November or wait until December to spend £1000 on a pc which is slightly over kill I’d pay the £1000 on the basis I think it would last longer before requiring replacement or upgrades..

I made the mistake when buying my first 2 pc’s trying to save money and going for the cheap option, I was for ever spending money on Ram upgrades, sound cards and processors upto the point I was told my mother board isn’t compatible so I ended up needing a new pc.

when I spent £2000 on 110v work tools I made sure I bought a generator capable of powering the tools with some power output to spare, ultimately I paid more for the generator but at least it won’t be put under stress..  

if a person only has £500 to spend and they desperately want to play FM that’s fair enough but I think Spending a little more on something better will be better value in the long term?

I can afford to spend as much as I wish on a pc and have set a budget of £2000 after weeks of research I have come up with the following so far..

Asus Maximus Hero x10 Mobo £229.99

i7 8700k Pcu £348.98

16Gb 4x4 of corsair DDR4 Dominator platinum 3200Ghz £270.98

total £861.46

includes £143.58 vat but I’m going to put the pc build down as a business expense and get 20% tax relief on my total spend..

so £600 for the bottom end minimum spec pc or pay an extra £400 for basically the best gaming processor and Mobo on the market for a high end gaming pc,  yes it’s overkill I appreciate but I want a nice looking pc knowing it’s got the power if needed and will last for many years to come with out becoming obsolete..

the only thing I’m not sure about at the moment is graphic cards,  the 1080 ti is £600 which is more than the top end Mobo and Cpu put together but at least I won’t get bottle necked.. 

My main use will be FM with out a doubt but I’ll probably play couple other games such as the new Tomb raider..  

[Smurf]

18 minutes ago, wayne'o said:

Asus Maximus Hero x10 Mobo £229.99

i7 8700k Pcu £348.98

16Gb 4x4 of corsair DDR4 Dominator platinum 3200Ghz £270.98

total £861.46

includes £143.58 vat but I’m going to put the pc build down as a business expense and get 20% tax relief on my total spend..

What GPU - what's the cost of that? 

What power supply - cost?

What case - cost?

What system cooling - cost?

[Der General]

5 hours ago, Smurf said:

...

 

 

Very helpful Will take it into account, Thanks!

[wayne'o]

8 minutes ago, Smurf said:

What GPU - what's the cost of that? 

What power supply - cost?

What case - cost?

What system cooling - cost?

Well the Gpu that I want is £733 but that’s for extreme gaming with high end graphics..  the total build comes to £2080.42 but by the time I add in fancy keyboard and mouse not to mention a 30” plus monitor it’s going to be higher.

the only thing I begrudge paying for is £700 for the GPU but there’s no point me spending all that money on the Mobo and Cpu to get a cheap £150 GPU?  I just want the power to play every league on huge data base at a fast pace, I don’t need a £700 Gpu for that.

if I spend £2000k it’s onky going to cost me £200 per year if it lasts 10 years.    If I spent £500 on a basic bottom end pc to run FM how long woukd it last before I needed either upgrades or another new pc?

im only happy to spend £2000 on a system because I can afford it..  

[Smurf]

Thanks, just wanted to clarify your total is not £861.46

[erikeagles]

Hello, 

I want a gaming laptop only to play FM. 

I liv in the Netherlands so I don't think I want to buy in England. 

 

Thanks. 

[wayne'o]

2 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Thanks, just wanted to clarify your total is not £861.46

When I put that up I was thinking along the lines of if you already have a pc with an ATX compatible case and a GPU capable of running FM you could buy the very top end gaming spec components to replace slower end components for just thew hundred pounds more than you’d pay for a low end spec pc,  I may be wrong but I keep thinking of the long term gains and being better value in the long run?

how does FM use Ram?   If you had 2 slots or 4 slots would FM be quicker on 4x4 as apposed to 4x2?  I know 16Gb is way overkill but wondering if FM would share the load equally over 4 slots?  Would there be an improvement on performance?

[huibertspeter]

29 minutes ago, erikeagles said:

Hello, 

I want a gaming laptop only to play FM. 

I liv in the Netherlands so I don't think I want to buy in England. 

 

Thanks. 

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/lenovo-ideapad-330-15ich-81fk003xmh-gaming-laptop-15-6-inch/9200000092684403/?suggestionType=browse&bltgh=r92w7P3AFmFEKjP1A8xCZw.1.5.ProductTitle

Dit is een prima aanbieding.

[wayne'o]

@Smurf    I dug my old pc out from bottom of the wardrobe, last time I used it was to play FM2013. 

How quick do you think it woukd run FM18/19 if at all?

p5q mobo

8Gb g skill ddr2 ram 800Mhz? Really 😜😜

not sure what Processor  it had as can’t see past the fan but pretty sure I over clocked it to 2.4 or 2.7

all it needs is a Power supply unit and it should fire up.

wow 17p saving on the Ram WTF😜

 

[erikeagles]

50 minutes ago, huibertspeter said:

https://www.bol.com/nl/p/lenovo-ideapad-330-15ich-81fk003xmh-gaming-laptop-15-6-inch/9200000092684403/?suggestionType=browse&bltgh=r92w7P3AFmFEKjP1A8xCZw.1.5.ProductTitle

Dit is een prima aanbieding.

Bedankt ga even kijken 

[Smurf]

1 hour ago, wayne'o said:

how does FM use Ram?   If you had 2 slots or 4 slots would FM be quicker on 4x4 as apposed to 4x2?  I know 16Gb is way overkill but wondering if FM would share the load equally over 4 slots?  Would there be an improvement on performance?

It wouldnt matter what config the ram is. Only thing is if you buy 1 x16gb and that ram stick fails you have rebuy that whole stick. Thats why its best to buy 2x8gb or 4 x4gb.

But you cant mix ram speeds.

How fm uses RAM - it actually does and for larger databases over game time (in career) years having more ram is a good thing. 

Plus it comes down to the interaction with processor and other components. No point in having a mega processor and ram at 1666ghz

[wayne'o]

2 hours ago, Smurf said:

It wouldnt matter what config the ram is. Only thing is if you buy 1 x16gb and that ram stick fails you have rebuy that whole stick. Thats why its best to buy 2x8gb or 4 x4gb.

But you cant mix ram speeds.

How fm uses RAM - it actually does and for larger databases over game time (in career) years having more ram is a good thing. 

Plus it comes down to the interaction with processor and other components. No point in having a mega processor and ram at 1666ghz

Yes true, if I get the Maximus Hero x10 it’s capable of using 4133Mhz of ram.. Iv seen ram low as c10  which has a quicker latency, not sure how noticeable it would be compared to c16...   also with the correct fan and cooling the i7 8700k can over clock to a stable speed of 5Ghz with a temperature below 70c and voltage around 1.3 stable with no Throtling down on any cores.   To get temps a little lower can delid the processor and replace the thermal strip with liquid metal which helps bring temps down another 10-15c. The world record is around 7.8Ghz on the i7 8700k but that’s been cooled with liquid nitrogen and not possibility  in a home pc..

with a speed of 5Ghz on the Cpu and DDR4 over clicker to maximum speed of 4133Mhz I think FM would fly,,  when I get it set up I’m looking forward to doing the bench mark test in the other tread..  

[phd_angel]

On 02/09/2018 at 06:33, westy8chimp said:

So far so good... Lovely 3d graphics, really quick processing speed. A few annoying things that i guess are part and parcel of any windows home edition.... Cortina! Stfu... Emails popping up etc...will need to spend some time removing a lot of the fluff.

The audio is fantastic... Watchin celtic vs rangers atm on laptop instead of tv as picture and sound is better (i have a 50 inch modern smart tv too...) 

@b101 as per your question in tactic thread

You can deactivate Cortina and many other annoying MS features...

[wayne'o]

Seen as Football Manager doesn’t use all the cores on multi core CPUs just wondering if this chart from single core performance has any bearings on FM when it comes to processing?

the i7 8086k would be the fastest but there’s not huge difference from the i5 but the i5 woukd cost a lot less?

Even the i3 8350k performance is good and cost less than half that of the i7 cpu. Would the difference be noticeable? 

[Smurf]

9 hours ago, wayne'o said:

Yes true, if I get the Maximus Hero x10 it’s capable of using 4133Mhz of ram.. Iv seen ram low as c10  which has a quicker latency, not sure how noticeable it would be compared to c16...   also with the correct fan and cooling the i7 8700k can over clock to a stable speed of 5Ghz with a temperature below 70c and voltage around 1.3 stable with no Throtling down on any cores.   To get temps a little lower can delid the processor and replace the thermal strip with liquid metal which helps bring temps down another 10-15c. The world record is around 7.8Ghz on the i7 8700k but that’s been cooled with liquid nitrogen and not possibility  in a home pc..

with a speed of 5Ghz on the Cpu and DDR4 over clicker to maximum speed of 4133Mhz I think FM would fly,,  when I get it set up I’m looking forward to doing the bench mark test in the other tread..  

Sounds like an amazing rig! 

8 hours ago, phd_angel said:

You can deactivate Cortina and many other annoying MS features...

Definitely, one of the first things I do. 

https://www.pcworld.com/article/2949759/windows/killing-cortana-how-to-disable-windows-10s-info-hungry-digital-assistant.html

 

54 minutes ago, wayne'o said:

Seen as Football Manager doesn’t use all the cores on multi core CPUs just wondering if this chart from single core performance has any bearings on FM when it comes to processing?

the i7 8086k would be the fastest but there’s not huge difference from the i5 but the i5 woukd cost a lot less?

Even the i3 8350k performance is good and cost less than half that of the i7 cpu. Would the difference be noticeable? 

I was going to suggest the 8086k but it's a lot more expensive, I think, and the gains in multi-core in the 8700k are so much better. The extra cost wouldn't be justified. But if the budget is limitless and it's purely for FM then the top one on the list is better for FM. 

If you're looking to save money then the i5 would definitely be still excellent. As @Barside suggested earlier, the i7 over the i5 purely for FM is wasteful, if you're looking to save money then the i5 would still be good. 

But you're only saving about £100 - in a rig as expensive as yours, it's a drop in the ocean. 

 

The question is, would you see a benefit in any other work you do with the gains in the i7 8700k processor, for multi threading, or is this purely mostly for FM? 

[CalumJL32]

Hello, I know nothing about laptops really and I need some help in buying one. my budget is around 650 to 700 pounds and in FM I'd want around 5-10 leagues and play 3D games. Id also need it for other internet uses such as Sky Go and BT Sport. 

Looking at other people's posts I've seen a few that suit my needs but can't see much difference between them all so I need help picking. 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16JD21-068-MSI-Prestige-PL62-7RC-068UK-in-Sliver_2197296.html

https://www.box.co.uk/N580VD-DM029T-ASUS-VivoBook-Pro-N580VD-DM029T_2403780.html

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-nitro-5-15-6-intel-core-i5-gtx-1050-gaming-laptop-1-tb-hdd-10181374-pdt.html

Lastly are they all future proof? 

Thanks in advance. 

[Smurf]

1 hour ago, CalumJL32 said:

Hello, I know nothing about laptops really and I need some help in buying one. my budget is around 650 to 700 pounds and in FM I'd want around 5-10 leagues and play 3D games. Id also need it for other internet uses such as Sky Go and BT Sport. 

Looking at other people's posts I've seen a few that suit my needs but can't see much difference between them all so I need help picking. 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/9S7-16JD21-068-MSI-Prestige-PL62-7RC-068UK-in-Sliver_2197296.html

https://www.box.co.uk/N580VD-DM029T-ASUS-VivoBook-Pro-N580VD-DM029T_2403780.html

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/acer-nitro-5-15-6-intel-core-i5-gtx-1050-gaming-laptop-1-tb-hdd-10181374-pdt.html

Lastly are they all future proof? 

Thanks in advance. 

First one will do - with graphics on lowest setting
If you're looking to save money then this is fine.

Second one has slightly better graphics - but still be on mid settings I would imagine
Advantage - SSD for faster bootup and overall general computer speed - but has no impact on FM play.

Third one better overall - play on high graphics - or a setting that suits your needs

 

Can't find anything that would challenge those in specs or price.

[CalumJL32]

20 minutes ago, Smurf said:

First one will do - with graphics on lowest setting
If you're looking to save money then this is fine.

Second one has slightly better graphics - but still be on mid settings I would imagine
Advantage - SSD for faster bootup and overall general computer speed - but has no impact on FM play.

Third one better overall - play on high graphics - or a setting that suits your needs

 

Can't find anything that would challenge those in specs or price.

Thanks. So the second one best for normal internet use such as sky go and bt sport and the third one best for FM? And by mid setting how many leagues would that be and would it be 3D graphics?

[Smurf]

2 minutes ago, CalumJL32 said:

Thanks. So the second one best for normal internet use such as sky go and bt sport and the third one best for FM? And by mid setting how many leagues would that be and would it be 3D graphics?

For FM they are all around the same. The last one has a newer processor, so slightly better. 

I can't answer how many leagues, it's ambigious, depends how happy you are with the speed dependent on settings of leagues and database size and progression day-to-day. Overall, I'd say it would manage what you need just fine.

3d Graphics - they have dedicated graphics card - answered originally. 

[CalumJL32]

6 minutes ago, Smurf said:

For FM they are all around the same. The last one has a newer processor, so slightly better. 

I can't answer how many leagues, it's ambigious, depends how happy you are with the speed dependent on settings of leagues and database size and progression day-to-day. Overall, I'd say it would manage what you need just fine.

3d Graphics - they have dedicated graphics card - answered originally. 

What do you mean by dedicated graphic card sorry. And which one would you recommend out of them 2 or is there a different one for the same price which is better?

[Smurf]

27 minutes ago, CalumJL32 said:

What do you mean by dedicated graphic card sorry. And which one would you recommend out of them 2 or is there a different one for the same price which is better?

Dedicated graphics card means that there is a separate graphics card. 

Some computers don't come with a dedicated graphics card, and it uses a graphics processing unit built into the Processor, which is known as an integrated. 

Dedicated is favoured over integrated. 

 

They are all good - I've given you a breakdown on what each should be potentially capable of, it's up to you on how much you want to spend and what's more important.

None are going to give you more league processing power, so that's out of the equation. Do you want low/mid/high graphics settings? 

The SSD is a slight advantage, so that with the mid-graphics card would be my choice. 

But you may want higher graphics - so the last one is the better one. 

Or you may want to go cheaper, and the first one would be the option there, but you are forgoing the SSD (no impact on FM), and play on low-graphics.

 

 

[CalumJL32]

4 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Dedicated graphics card means that there is a separate graphics card. 

Some computers don't come with a dedicated graphics card, and it uses a graphics processing unit built into the Processor, which is known as an integrated. 

Dedicated is favoured over integrated. 

 

They are all good - I've given you a breakdown on what each should be potentially capable of, it's up to you on how much you want to spend and what's more important.

None are going to give you more league processing power, so that's out of the equation. Do you want low/mid/high graphics settings? 

The SSD is a slight advantage, so that with the mid-graphics card would be my choice. 

But you may want higher graphics - so the last one is the better one. 

Or you may want to go cheaper, and the first one would be the option there, but you are forgoing the SSD (no impact on FM), and play on low-graphics.

 

 

Mid graphics on 3D is fine for me. 

I've just seen this though. 

https://www.box.co.uk/FX504GD-E4278T-ASUS-FX504GD-E4278T-Gaming-Laptop_2315681.html

How does it compare?

[Smurf]

20 minutes ago, CalumJL32 said:

Mid graphics on 3D is fine for me. 

I've just seen this though. 

https://www.box.co.uk/FX504GD-E4278T-ASUS-FX504GD-E4278T-Gaming-Laptop_2315681.html

How does it compare?

Same processing power.
Good graphics - play on high (I have roughly same graphics and it's good for me)
Good size SSD with extra storage. 

That would be the one for me. 

[CalumJL32]

8 minutes ago, Smurf said:

Same processing power.
Good graphics - play on high (I have roughly same graphics and it's good for me)
Good size SSD with extra storage. 

That would be the one for me. 

Thanks for the help lastly how does turbo boost work? And what laptop do you use?

[Smurf]

Quote

Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0¹ accelerates processor and graphics performance for peak loads, automatically allowing processor cores to run faster than the rated operating frequency if they’re operating below power, current, and temperature specification limits. Whether the processor enters into Intel® Turbo Boost Technology 2.0 and the amount of time the processor spends in that state depends on the workload and operating environment.

Source: https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/architecture-and-technology/turbo-boost/turbo-boost-technology.html

 

Basically - if allowed, the processor will run faster under certain circumstances. FM is a pretty intensive processing game, so you're unlikely to see massive turbo boost happening. 

FM is a single core processing game mostly - processors come in cores, single core, dual core, quad core, hex core, oct core etc. 

So having a quad core over a dual core is no advantage really. And having an oct core over a quad core is no advantage.

At least for FM. 

The game processes day to day in the single core, and processes background things, like matches in multi-core, but it happes so fast you don't really notice it. So having a faster quad-core processor wouldn't make much difference over the same speed dual core. 

 

In saying that - there's no real advantage over a quad core i5 over a quad core i7 - they are essentially doing the same thing in the single core - in terms of multi-core the i7 is doing a better job than the i5. 

 

Finally - I use a dell, 16gb RAM, 1050ti 4gb graphics card, and an i7-7700HQ. 

[VP.]

Decided to get a graphics card as well, massive improvemant on my old machine and should last a few years too.

https://www.ebuyer.com/835394-punch-technology-i7-8th-gen-desktop-hdt-701-1012

https://www.ebuyer.com/761954-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-1050-ti-oc-4gb-graphics-card-gv-n105toc-4gd