ajw10 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 So where does Cazorla fit in without Coquelin? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 On the wing if Walcott starts up front would be the only way I can see him being fitted in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 In theory, Cazorla could play as the no.10, or partner Ramsey in a 4-1-4-1, and Ozil go wide right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Cazorla really cannot play as a #10 for us and I've yet to see any evidence that 4-1-4-1 works. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Cazorla isn't a particularly great 10. His movement there isn't good he drops too deep and can be too easily marked out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Cazorla really cannot play as a #10 for us and I've yet to see any evidence that 4-1-4-1 works. Man City Away Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 That's one match. We didn't have Ozil and we had a great deal of fortune in that game. That win was nowhere near as impressive as people think. We didn't create much from open play and City were incredibly wasteful. See Bayern, away 2013 for a match like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Not sure we were fortunate in that game but we didn't exactly do much going forwards. I think 4-1-4-1 can definitely work but it doesn't make sense with Walcott as a striker. Though not sure why we would want to move Ozil and try and integrate more stuff to make it work when we are struggling to really get anything working currently Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Not sure we were fortunate in that game but we didn't exactly do much going forwards. I think 4-1-4-1 can definitely work but it doesn't make sense with Walcott as a striker. Though not sure why we would want to move Ozil and try and integrate more stuff to make it work when we are struggling to really get anything working currently We were fortunate in the sense that City were so bad. Set up like we did against an in-form City and we get beat quite badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 We were fortunate in the sense that City were so bad. Set up like we did against an in-form City and we get beat quite badly. Meh complete unknown really. I felt we benefited a lot from a lack of Toure as Fernando and Fernandinho can't really pass penetratively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Man City Away Unless I was watching something else, there was no actual way Cazorla was playing as a #10 in that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Meh complete unknown really. I felt we benefited a lot from a lack of Toure as Fernando and Fernandinho can't really pass penetratively Yep and a lack of a fit Aguero. City are the best in the country at breaking down defences as they move the ball so quickly and constantly look to overlap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Unless I was watching something else, there was no actual way Cazorla was playing as a #10 in that game. No. I was referring to the 4-1-4-1 remark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Yep and a lack of a fit Aguero. City are the best in the country at breaking down defences as they move the ball so quickly and constantly look to overlap. Yeah with Toure's distribution from deep being the key. They're really good to watch in such a situation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 I don't like the fact that Mertesacker and Koscielny even Chambers don't switch the ball quickly to the flanks. Hate the fact that both Mertesacker and Koscielny have the ability to play those penetrative passes yet choose not to use it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Not sure they're capable of switching play well enough to be effective. Both pretty good at driving the ball to the midfield along the ground but overall not particularly amazing on the ball. However not sure they can do much more than those vertical passes. It's part of the appeal of Chambers longer term Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Koscielny is good at bringing the ball out when we're struggling to pass out from the back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Rarely does it when Mertesacker plays. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Koscielny is good at bringing the ball out when we're struggling to pass out from the back. Indeed but still wouldn't call him particularly amazing on the ball. Passes lack variety and just lacks general skill on the ball. He is above average but not as good as we would ideally want if you want to build a truly elite side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 21, 2015 Author Share Posted September 21, 2015 Per uses the ball so much better than Koscielny does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 21, 2015 Share Posted September 21, 2015 Yeah Per breaks the lines more often than Koscielny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Got a bad feeling we're gonna get beat 3-0 or something tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Couldn't care less about the League Cup, should put the reserves out. Leicester away on Saturday is a huge game, have to focus on that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Couldn't care less about a North London derby in a winnable competition? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I care about beating Spurs but not really bothered by the League Cup. Wouldn't really celebrate winning it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 So you weren't bothered by the defeats to Chelsea and Birmingham? Weren't bothered by Bradford? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Couldn't care less about a North London derby in a winnable competition? So you weren't bothered by the defeats to Chelsea and Birmingham? Weren't bothered by Bradford? Fully agree. Beating Spurs is important to me, regardless of the bigger picture. As for the league cup - Birmingham and Bradford are 2 of my very worst moments as a fan. I always enjoy success in any competition. Those 9 years are not something I will forget. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 So you weren't bothered by the defeats to Chelsea and Birmingham? Weren't bothered by Bradford? That's two different things though. I care that we lost the games because they were big in different ways but I don't really care if we get knocked out by a Southampton or whoever early on. It just doesn't really add anything. It's a trophy which not many of the top teams take seriously and it generally just lacks prestige Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Couldn't care less about a North London derby in a winnable competition? The PL is a winnable competition, would be insane to compromise our chances of three points by risking our best players less than 72 HOURS beforehand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The PL is a winnable competition' date=' would be insane to compromise our chances of three points by risking our best players less than 72 days beforehand.[/quote']TBF, 72 days is quite a lot of time to recover. I think they'd be ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 That's two different things though. I care that we lost the games because they were big in different ways but I don't really care if we get knocked out by a Southampton or whoever early on. It just doesn't really add anything. It's a trophy which not many of the top teams take seriously and it generally just lacks prestige You say that but over the last ten years the winners have been - 2015 - Chelsea 2014 - Manchester City 2013 - Swansea 2012 - Liverpool 2011 - Birmingham 2010 - Manchester United 2009 - Manchester United 2008 - Tottenham 2007 - Chelsea 2006 - Manchester United 2005 - Chelsea In 08 Spurs beat Chelsea in the final, in 13 and 11 we took the competition seriously and happened to bottle it on both occasions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coulthard's Jaw Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 days ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 You say that but over the last ten years the winners have been -2015 - Chelsea 2014 - Manchester City 2013 - Swansea 2012 - Liverpool 2011 - Birmingham 2010 - Manchester United 2009 - Manchester United 2008 - Tottenham 2007 - Chelsea 2006 - Manchester United 2005 - Chelsea In 08 Spurs beat Chelsea in the final, in 13 and 11 we took the competition seriously and happened to bottle it on both occasions. Doesn't change that they don't take it that seriously. They're not bothered if they go out early. It's just not close to a priority Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 The PL is a winnable competition' date=' would be insane to compromise our chances of three points by risking our best players less than 72 days beforehand.[/quote']It's literally down the road, so there is no travel to factor in. Plus it's our biggest rivals and we've lost two on the bounce. Saturday doesn't matter, only tomorrow's night game does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baptista_8 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The PL is a winnable competition' date=' would be insane to compromise our chances of three points by risking our best players less than 72 HOURS beforehand.[/quote']Winnable if you don't collapse against big teams on a regular basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Winnable if you don't collapse against big teams on a regular basis. Winnable even if you do that in a undramatic way. Away games to them don't really matter if you have a good home record against them. Don't even have to break even on it or have a positive record just can't be disastrous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
llama3 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think tomorrow night is quite important, mainly because of the momentum and confidence that's lacking right now. It needs a boost, and a win at Spurs would do just that. I would imagine if Sanchez scored tomorrow he'd look a more confident and effective player against Leicester. Same for Ramsey etc too. It's early season, so players shouldn't be fatigued. We have a squad missing several key players, so too much rotation in central midfield would amount to suicide. Spurs are missing 4 in midfield, so it's a good chance to try and control the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 A small miracle that Gabriel's red card has been rescinded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 A small miracle that Gabriel's red card has been rescinded. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajw10 Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Arsenal possible XI vs Spurs: Ospina; Debuchy, Mertesacker, Chambers, Gibbs; Arteta, Flamini; Chamberlain, Iwobi, Campbell; Giroud. [Mirror] Yeah lets hope that this doesn't happen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 yeah we're definitely losing 3-0 if we put out that side Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SJ234 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Arsenal possible XI vs Spurs: Ospina; Debuchy, Mertesacker, Chambers, Gibbs; Arteta, Flamini; Chamberlain, Iwobi, Campbell; Giroud. [Mirror]Yeah lets hope that this doesn't happen That would be interesting... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayub95 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Only excited about Iwobi and he's going to be playing with rubbish like Gibbs, Debuchy and Campbell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
el sid Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Simply don't understand not taking the cup seriously. smh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Not taking the cup seriously is like so 1990s. The top teams do take it seriously now, since like 2003 onwards. Obviously not as serious as the league or CL, but similar to the FA Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Tbf I'd argue one of the reasons we've won the FA Cup twice in the last two seasons is because the top teams don't take it that seriously. City would never have come home from Dubai or wherever it was that soon to a league game and Chelsea never blow that lead against Bradford in a league game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Hope we see Jeff tonight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
g00n Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Jeff is injured. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kawee Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Jeff is injured. That's how we know he's a true Gooner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glenn Wakeford Posted September 23, 2015 Share Posted September 23, 2015 Jeff is injured. We should request to postpone the game then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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