Andrew_ Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Official behind the goal not watching the game it seems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Looks like the ref has decided there won't be any more pens no matter what happens. He's been woeful really. We were lucky after 30 seconds, but we've certainly had some shockers against us too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Haha he was looking at where the cross was going to go Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Also, what's the point with extra officials half a meter away when they don't do jack - ever? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 That's another pen for them. 2-2 not given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 That's a Galatasaray penalty, again. Evens it up, I think. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Another shout there Could have been about five penners in this match. Not sure if that was, but there have been a LOT of decisions. Replay, and it looks like it probably was. Closer than the one after 30 seconds though. We were very lucky on that one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icondacarver Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 That's a Galatasaray penalty, again. Evens it up, I think. Vidic, Carrick, Evans is 3 for them not given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Phew. At least we won. Thought we played well the first 20 minutes or thereabouts, and then it kinda got nowhere after that. But we got the points and that's what matters at the end of the day. Clean up-ish against the Braga and Cluj and now and it's settled before the noise-fest in Turkey. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deltaroad Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Why can we not string more then 3 passes together? When Rvp is awful he is really awful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Why can we string more then 3 passes together? Can't seem to do it when being pressured, usually without Scholes playing. Didn't even need that today. Scholes happy to give the ball away as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gooders86 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 god that was like watching last season in europe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Phew indeed. Doesn't really relieve much pressure now, but with a bit of luck when we goto Turkey we won't need anything to win the group. Hopefully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roseboy64 Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 After review I'm glad Carrick went for the goal instead of the pen and red. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Will take that Really do think games like this are just a bridge too far for Scholes in a central two. Really needed a Cleverley or Anderson (or hopefully soon a fully fit Fletcher) to break up the midfield a bit. Kagawa frozen out too much in the second half I felt, but it's interesting to see how much freer Carrick has played this season, not just tonight, with the added security of an extra body in the 4-2-3-1. Good goal from him and a solid performance all told. Disappointed RvP never got into the game. Seems to be stuck between being a fixed #9 and more of an allround forward. Thankfully Nani was, penalty aside, splendid - MotM for me. Stupid that RvP didn't take it though. Don't understand what he was(n't) thinking - I swear that prior to the Fulham spot kick all the ones I'd seen him take had been a short run up - about as long as what he ended up with after all that stuttering nonsense - before being blasted postage stamp into the top corner. Brilliant otherwise after those bizarre first 15 mins, promising link play with Evra, and even a few good corners. Valencia can seem so toothless when his pace, cross/shoot trick is not coming off. I now expect him to prove me wrong by raping that in-form fullback and score. His pace trick is working. His crossing is not. Or there's no one at the back post. Think this was the archetypal 'bad' Valencia performance. Had his fullback beaten all ends up and had a couple of terrific mazy dribbles, but his cross selection and execution was horrific tonight. 1 from 13 completed apparently. The issue with him I alluded to in my post at HT is that I think that he is very much a reactionary player, as opposed to the more instinctive nature of our other key attacking players. Fits in with his more reserved demeanour compared to his colleagues I suppose. But when playing the high tempo game we appear to be trying to play he can be such a liability - too often he gets caught on his heels waiting for a pass rather than expecting it; or doesn't execute his part of the move quickly enough as he can't see the opportunities in the same way our other attackers do. I think that may be why he can quite frequently check and simply pass backwards or square when he's not high on confidence, as he doesn't have the imagination to create something when plan A of 'square up fullback; beat fullback; head down; cross to (or often beyond) far post/fizz across six year box'. To criticise our players for not being at the far post tonight is daft since his crosses were so far beyond that nobody in their right mind should be there. On the pens, Vida's was stonewall, as was ours that was given. Nani's looked likely though I didn't see a good replay. Tony's looked soft. Evans I thought played the ball against the Gala player, can't remember Carrick's (icon)? Oh, and Big Save Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricky Button Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Fletcher. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 The one on Nani looked like a stonewall to me. Could have been about 3 penners each though, just absurd. Horrible match by the referee, and his team. How none of the extra refs see any of those I don't understand. What's the point in having them when they just stand there but don't actually do anything? Just glad we won the match, and thought Nani was very good apart from the horrible, horrible penalty. Our best player, ahead of Carrick. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 The one on Nani looked like a stonewall to me. Could have been about 3 penners each though, just absurd. Horrible match by the referee, and his team. How none of the extra refs see any of those I don't understand. What's the point in having them when they just stand there but don't actually do anything? Remember Hernandez getting quite animated with one at the home leg against Bilbao - was clearly asking him what he was actually there to do when he offered no insight on a penalty shout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manunited_fan Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Remember Hernandez getting quite animated with one at the home leg against Bilbao - was clearly asking him what he was actually there to do when he offered no insight on a penalty shout. I'm not 100% sure of this but I think they may only be there to monitor the goal-line. I don't think they're able to make any other calls. They're supposed to be instead of goal-line technology. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Jesus Christ, you guys are terrible in European games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 Everton troll out! Did the guy behind the goal not give the pen in the Arsenal game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted September 19, 2012 Share Posted September 19, 2012 I actually made the thread hoping that it would mean you guys would play well. I've had a little luck with that in the past couple of threads I made. Shame it didn't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I'm not 100% sure of this but I think they may only be there to monitor the goal-line. I don't think they're able to make any other calls. They're supposed to be instead of goal-line technology. Nonsense, they are there to help the ref with everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 You could see in the first five minutes what type of game it was going to be. Bad refereeing calls, anything fancy by United wouldn't work with a lot of passes under/over hit and touches poor. Saying that, the defence did a good job and Kagawa's feet is really impressive. Nani should have been taken off after the penalty, it was obvious he was going to try to make amends and force things, and I'm disappointed that there wasn't any substitutions until really late on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 They help with everything and a pen has been awarded, on their say so, a few times that I remember just in games I have seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 You could see in the first five minutes what type of game it was going to be. Bad refereeing calls, anything fancy by United wouldn't work with a lot of passes under/over hit and touches poor. Goal was pretty fancy tbf. Saying that, the defence did a good job and Kagawa's feet is really impressive. Nani should have been taken off after the penalty, it was obvious he was going to try to make amends and force things, and I'm disappointed that there wasn't any substitutions until really late on. Nonsense, if anything it seemed to cause him to redouble his efforts. Made a number of good passes, such as the scooped ball for Hernandez. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Goal was pretty fancy tbf. It was very nice but I got the impression of it being a bit of "oh ****, I've got the ball" for a split second. Nonsense, if anything it seemed to cause him to redouble his efforts. Made a number of good passes, such as the scooped ball for Hernandez. I never said he didn't do anything good after the penalty. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 We have missed our last 6 pens: Nani miss against Galatasary Hernandez miss against Wigan Van Persie miss against Southampton Rooney missed against Barca in pre season friendly. Nani and Young miss in the penalty shoot out in the same game. Step up Mr Kagawa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Wow, wonder if that is some kind of record? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leppard Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Make Carrick or Scholes take the next one. Or Valencia. Somehow, I get the feeling that Valencia will just blast it into a corner every single time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 We need to start passing them, we have enough trouble with keeping the ball anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I repeat: step up David de Gea Nani said he had decided to let the keeper make a move first and then put it the other way. Then he just stood there and he panicked. Better to just decide beforehand and put it there, and alternatively change plans if the keeper goes early. Strange RVP didn't take it though. Apart from last one, he usually slams them down in a corner, which are the hardest ones for the goalies to take. (Except powered high I suppose, but then you can more easily miss too). If these refs by the goals actually did something they could be more useful than goalline technology as they are often in a better position to see what happens in the box. But right now it seems like they are afraid to step in and do anything, so they just stand there for 90 minutes. Thought we had some pretty neet passing going on at times, like on the goal, and plenty of other occasions. There is something to build on there, and we have a great focal point in Kagawa. Can't wait to we get more used to his playing style and thinking. Then he should start to score and assist very regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 For me, you pick a corner, hit it hard and low and even if the keeper goes the right way, if it's just inside the post, you'll score. I think there's too much over thinking going on. Never change your mind. There are players that wait for the keeper, etc or blast it, basically keeper has no chance to react before it's past him but low and corner and you're good Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Yeah, that's what the best penalty takers usually do. Hard and low and almost kiss the post, and the keeper has no chance. Then of course change corners sometimes so it's not entirely predictable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 If these refs by the goals actually did something they could be more useful than goalline technology as they are often in a better position to see what happens in the box. But right now it seems like they are afraid to step in and do anything, so they just stand there for 90 minutes. I think their biggest problem is that there is no obvious impact the extra officials have on the game. They don't have any flags to wave so fans don't know what decisions they have or haven't helped make. I think most commentators have no clue what their remit is and that adds to the general attitude of them not doing anything. As for the penalty, it was pretty obvious Nani had a major brain fart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gizzy Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 So, Liverpool on Sunday. I think this could be the first time we see Kagawa starting from the left. Would like to see: -------------DDG (will almost certainly be DIG) ------Rafa Vidic Rio Evra -----------Carrick --------Cleverley Ando Valencia --------------Kagawa ------------RVP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razzler Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Is Ashley Young injured? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pangaea Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Yes . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew_ Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Would leave Evra exposed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scott MUFC Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 wondered why Nani keeps playing.. would Evra play, or would he risk Buttner giving it is liverpool Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 I never said he didn't do anything good after the penalty. You said he should have been brought off, despite the fact he was our best player, and played better after the penalty than before. Make Carrick or Scholes take the next one. Or Valencia. Somehow, I get the feeling that Valencia will just blast it into a corner every single time. Scholes used to be lethal from the spot but I don't think I've seen him take one since the Cardiff robbery. Maybe felt too responsible or something. Think Tony V would burst into tears if we didn't have a comfortable lead So, Liverpool on Sunday. I think this could be the first time we see Kagawa starting from the left.Would like to see: -------------DDG (will almost certainly be DIG) ------Rafa Vidic Rio Evra -----------Carrick --------Cleverley Ando Valencia --------------Kagawa ------------RVP Would leave Evra exposed. This team but with Nani in for Valencia - he never seems to work in a front three, not least since we've one less attacker for his crosses to find - and maybe Welbeck for Kagawa. Don't think Evra would be exposed (any more than usual, anyway) since both Anderson and Cleverley cover a lot of ground and Kagawa and Welbeck track back persistently. Scholes, Valencia, Hernandez and whoever doesn't start on the left can be the plan B options. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
7Bestie7 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 You said he should have been brought off, despite the fact he was our best player, and played better after the penalty than before. We'll have to agree to disagree here because I saw Kagawa and Evra as our best players. I didn't think Nani had a bad game but he definitely wasn't better than anyone else on the pitch for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Kagawa was great first half, quieter in the second. Evra best work was largely down to his link play with Nani, in the second half in particular. Regardless, how you can consider Nani's first half performance as better than his second is beyond me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Christ, when Red Nev said we only practise set pieces once a fortnight I didn't expect that to extend to penners Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Shouldn't need to practice penalties ffs. If Rooney/RVP/Nani can't bloody well step up and hit the top corner every single time then there's simply something wrong. Penalties are supposed to be an absolute given unless the taker puts it where the keeper can get it or simply has a bad one and puts it wide/high. Just look at RvN's penners, hammered into the corner (admittedly the bottom, not top) almost every single time. The keepers new full well where he would put them, couldn't do a damn thing about it most of the time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bren24 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Yeah if you're a good taker, you generally, don't miss. I'm from Scunthorpe and a few years back when I actually tried to follow them/attend matches, they had a player called Andy Crosby, he had never missed a career penalty. Centre back fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Shouldn't need to practice penalties ffs. If Rooney/RVP/Nani can't bloody well step up and hit the top corner every single time then there's simply something wrong. Penalties are supposed to be an absolute given unless the taker puts it where the keeper can get it or simply has a bad one and puts it wide/high. Just look at RvN's penners, hammered into the corner (admittedly the bottom, not top) almost every single time. The keepers new full well where he would put them, couldn't do a damn thing about it most of the time This reminds me of a mate who plays Sunday league and is adamant that nobody with a hint of footballing ability should ever fail to hit the target, and that only a quality save should prevent a goal. Proceeded to leather several high, wide and/or handsome at a game stall at Alton Towers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddidiodion Posted September 20, 2012 Author Share Posted September 20, 2012 Top left corner (for the goalie), worked for Ballack for the entirety of his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icelander83 Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 This reminds me of a mate who plays Sunday league and is adamant that nobody with a hint of footballing ability should ever fail to hit the target, and that only a quality save should prevent a goal. Proceeded to leather several high, wide and/or handsome at a game stall at Alton Towers Can't imagine you had a laugh at that at all he's right though, and when you've reached the very top level of professional football I don't think it's excusable to miss penalties like we've been doing. At least force a great save, don't just pass it to the keeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RSB Posted September 20, 2012 Share Posted September 20, 2012 Top level maybe (and with all the pressure and the slim margins for error, that's still a 'maybe' imo), but he was adamant that anyone who can kick a ball should be getting it on target Just reading the RoM post on pennergate; clean forgot that Fergie was surprised that Carrick took the kick against Burnley (A) three seasons back, with Rooney and Owen on the pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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