Pukey Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Dont understand why everyone is picking a side with a lack of Heskey in it. Considering how he played it's puzzling to say the least. :confused: Because he didn't score, by the sounds of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Because he didn't score, by the sounds of it. Because he never scores. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 It's amazing how many people want 4-5-1, for me it just makes so much sense. As much as I love Capello, I don't think he'll ever play it. Hart Johnson Dawson Terry A.Cole Lampard Barry Lennon Gerrard J.Cole Rooney Firsly he won't pick the formation, secondly Carragher will be in ahead of Dawson and thirdly, J.Cole won't play, it'll be Heskey. So no way this team will play, despite me really wanting it. Oh and Hart I don't think will play either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 How cant people see that he [Heskey] played well though? He set the goal up, held it up well, brought others into play - exactley what he is picked for. If people think Heskey is picked to score goals, they're clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The goal he setup was good. What did the rest of his holding up and bringing others in play lead to? Nothing. Rooney didn't even see the ball until he went deep. He was offside 4 times, and missed a sitter, takes away from this so called holding/setting up play. Plus so many long balls to Heskey was just a waste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Because he didn't score, by the sounds of it. no, i don't mind heskey but i hate the negative football england play with him in the team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The goal he setup was good.What did the rest of his holding up and bringing others in play lead to? Nothing. Rooney didn't even see the ball until he went deep. He was offside 4 times, and missed a sitter, takes away from this so called holding/setting up play. Plus so many long balls to Heskey was just a waste. Surely both of those are the fault of the other players and not Heskey? :confused: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 How cant people see that he [Heskey] played well though? He set the goal up, held it up well, brought others into play - exactley what he is picked for.If people think Heskey is picked to score goals, they're clueless. If that comment was aimed partially at me (due to me saying 4-5-1), firstly I defended Heskey a lot in the England thread when the squad was announced. I think he played very well yesterday, but we all know his limitiations. If we are in the knock out stages, how many clear cut chances can we afford to miss if they fall to Heskey? Just remembering Heskey back at his peak- around 2001ish and he used to be much more confident, would get the ball and take on people, never see him do that these days. I think Heskey is a good player, in a 4-4-2 he earns his place, but I think 4-5-1 would suit our team much better. Gerrard-Rooney partnership could be awesome. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Can we have a poll attached to see what people here want, 4-4-2 or 4-5-1? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pukey Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 If that comment was aimed partially at me (due to me saying 4-5-1), firstly I defended Heskey a lot in the England thread when the squad was announced. I think he played very well yesterday, but we all know his limitiations. If we are in the knock out stages, how many clear cut chances can we afford to miss if they fall to Heskey? Just remembering Heskey back at his peak- around 2001ish and he used to be much more confident, would get the ball and take on people, never see him do that these days. I think Heskey is a good player, in a 4-4-2 he earns his place, but I think 4-5-1 would suit our team much better. Gerrard-Rooney partnership could be awesome. I agree with you. Group stages, Heskey is fine, but the better teams will be able to cope better and a change of system would probably be necessary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomtuck01 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 If that comment was aimed partially at me (due to me saying 4-5-1), firstly I defended Heskey a lot in the England thread when the squad was announced. I think he played very well yesterday, but we all know his limitiations. If we are in the knock out stages, how many clear cut chances can we afford to miss if they fall to Heskey? Just remembering Heskey back at his peak- around 2001ish and he used to be much more confident, would get the ball and take on people, never see him do that these days. I think Heskey is a good player, in a 4-4-2 he earns his place, but I think 4-5-1 would suit our team much better. Gerrard-Rooney partnership could be awesome. Wasn't aiming it at any one person inparticular actually...................just everyone who is wanting Heskey left out for the next match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Because he didn't score, by the sounds of it. Surely both of those are the fault of the other players and not Heskey? :confused: How many times did he bring Rooney into play? Maybe it is the players fault for the long ball but its easier to remove Heskey than all of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I don't see why Capello would suddenly switch in the KO stages as people are suggesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericcantona7 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 ----------------------------James------------------------------------Johnson----------Dawson---------Terry-----------------Cole-- -----------------------------Barry---------------------------------- ----------------------Gerrard----Lampard------------------------- ---Lennon----------------------------------------------------Cole-- -----------------------------Rooney--------------------------------- this but with Hart in goal. I'd currently be ruing not taking Adam Johnson, and taking the likes of Heskey, Green, King and Carragher. Fully expect Carragher to start though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pires777 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Anyone who doesnt have Crouch or Heskey in their team is a tool. You play 4-5-1 in this tournament, and you are packing your bags home. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Can we predict what it'll actually be now? Green Johnson Carragher Terry A.Cole Lennon Lampard Barry Gerrard Rooney Heskey Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop shot Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Replace James with Hart Just came in to say the same thing. Green and James have had 'mares all season and been in clubs that have either been relegated or should have been relegated. Hart may have only been on loan at blues but he was our best player last season and although some were expecting it, blues were not in some relegation battle all season. Letting in goal after goal like james and green all season has to have some kind of affect on you. Joe Hart ftw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Why does everyone want 1 striker? If they mark rooney out the game, you are relying on midfielders to score. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 the whole ******** argument about joe hart not having enough experience is quite annoying iker casillas started for spain very early and thats what made him a great keeper Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Problem with relying on Lampard and Gerrard for goals, in a formation they can get more into the box from? Cole can chip in if he play as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 anyway we will still qualify after seeing algeria/slovenia but we might not get top now unless we out score usa... meaning we more than likely will get germany and thats when imo we go out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 the whole ******** argument about joe hart not having enough experience is quite annoyingiker casillas started for spain very early and thats what made him a great keeper tbf playing in the CL regularly for Real is something Hart hasn't done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 If we can't beat Germany, we have no chance with Spain, Brazil or the Argies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 tbf playing in the CL regularly for Real is something Hart hasn't done. yeah but thats the point isn't it? real madrid trusted him enough to start him out early and believed in him we as english seem to think oh you can't throw him in there this early what about rooney!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pop shot Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 tbf playing in the CL regularly for Real is something Hart hasn't done. If you want to be pedantic about it, neither have / did james or green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Yeah totally ignoring the superior experience they have. (especially James) As it is I want Hart in goal, but I see the inexperience argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
englandmanager Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 yeah and with that "superior" experience they've still both made costly mistakes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Does having experience mean they'll not make mistakes? Absolutely not and I never said that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Green and Hart was both inexperienced in the qualifying games. Cappelo went with Green and he has been solid until yesterday. We won our group and I think we came second with goals allowed. Thats the time to try new players not during the world cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low_Flying_Seagull Posted June 13, 2010 Author Share Posted June 13, 2010 Why does everyone want 1 striker? If they mark rooney out the game, you are relying on midfielders to score. Well depends how you look at it. Just because Rooney is upfront on his own with Barry holding it gives Gerrard/Lampard the chance to push right on and support. Rooney has done alright for Man U this season with that setup... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Well depends how you look at it. Just because Rooney is upfront on his own with Barry holding it gives Gerrard/Lampard the chance to push right on and support. Rooney has done alright for Man U this season with that setup... Rooney played with Berbatov. Myself I would like at least two strikers that can score, and Gerrard, Lamps, Barry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rio_V Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 From what I saw this morning, any side you put out there should do a job. Just shoot on goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brett.spurs Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 The Algerians are probably saying the same thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powlay Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think its utterly brilliant that all you lot know best and think Heskey is crap. Shouldnt be in South Africa let alone representing England. Fabio Capello doesnt agree with you, plenty other managers dont agree with you. Does that make you wrong and them right? Yes, yes it does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 And I'm sure plenty of managers don't agree with Capello. Please don't make out these managers can't do nothing wrong, or they would have won the world cup and so will Capello. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericcantona7 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Why does everyone want 1 striker? If they mark rooney out the game, you are relying on midfielders to score. Lampard and Gerrard are far more likely to score than Heskey though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aggressive minor Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think its utterly brilliant that all you lot know best and think Heskey is crap. Shouldnt be in South Africa let alone representing England.Fabio Capello doesnt agree with you, plenty other managers dont agree with you. Does that make you wrong and them right? Yes, yes it does. Bit of an overreaction when many people here have either put Heskey in their teams or recognised what he does contribute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodmansee Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Lampard and Gerrard are far more likely to score than Heskey though. Thats why I wouldn't play Heskey. Can't say the same about the other strikers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Hector Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Green Cole Terry Dawson Johnson Milner Gerrard Lampard Lennon Heskey Rooney Didn't Heskey dish the goal up for Gerrard? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pires777 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 People forgetting Hart (before he went to Birmingham) can be just as eccentric as James and Green. Since when has he become Buffon? ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanNUFC Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Bit of an overreaction when many people here have either put Heskey in their teams or recognised what he does contribute. Innit, ive been defending heskey (before the game)but im thinking gerrard/rooney could be alot more dangerous. I appreciate what he does but he frustrates me alot during the game, like last night. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Ritchie Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Heskey has to drop out because our midfield is inadequate if he doesn't. It's no slight on his own performance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve04 Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 I think Green will be the goal keeper in the next match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
glory utd Posted June 13, 2010 Share Posted June 13, 2010 Hart Johnson Terry Dawson Cole Gerrard Barry Lampard Lennon Defoe Rooney Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
pouncer Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Hmm. I think I'd go with: Green Johnson Carragher Terry A Cole A Lennon F Lampard S Gerrard J Cole E Heskey W Rooney Yeah that's Gerrard & Lampard in midfield together. Don't ask me to justify it. Come to think of it, is J Cole even fit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalution Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 Hart Johnson Whoever Terry Cole Barry Lampard Gerrard Cole Rooney Defoe Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boltman Posted June 14, 2010 Share Posted June 14, 2010 433 Rooney Crouch Defoe Gerrard Barry Lampard Cole Terry Upson Johnson Green Green up front on his own? and a back three of Rooney, Crouch, and Defoe?? You serious? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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