player misses training after being spotted at a night club the day before

how do i print a screen shot

Alt+F9. It then creates a folder in your documents, Sports Interactive, Football Manager 2011 and then there should be a screenshots folder there and your screenshot will be in the screenshots folder .

Do you know how to upload it?

no i dont sorry new to posting things, can you help please. thanks

Google "imageshack" and upload it on there, then once it's uploaded copy it from there andd paste it here

Google "imageshack" and upload it on there, then once it's uploaded copy it from there andd paste it here

That or Photobucket. Have a look at this thread http://community.sigames.com/showthread.php/92967-READ-ME-FIRST-PC-Mac-General-Discussion-Rules-Guidelines-Image-Posting-Tutorial. I think the fourth post shows you how to use Imageshack and Photobucket .

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thanks for the help fella's. with a name like that he must have been in a lap dancing club?

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2months later he is caught again on the ****!!!!!

haha!! he thinks he's George Best

Am i right in thinking this cant happen to real players and only regans?

Is he related to Peter Stringfellow?

i think you edited the media news

upthetoon, no i havent edited anything sure i was only told earlier how to up load a picture/screenshot. has this happened to anyone else? he is terrible im going to have to release him at the end of the season.

he looks rubbish, so unless he has a lot of potential to improve i'd get rid now before your playersget annoyed with him.

if he has the potential to be a good player have him tutored by your most professional player and hope for the best.

i'd also have a private chat about his training

he is rubbish but might keep him around for a laugh

Tutor him and/or fine him!

Am i right in thinking this cant happen to real players and only regans?

Yes due to legal issues.

Is he related to Peter Stringfellow?

haha exactly my first thought!

Yes due to legal issues.

This is a myth. FM does not claim to represent any prediction of reality. Things start to go fictional with the first click of the space bar. Thus, players have no standing to sue for anything represented in the game. Also, they would have a hard time showing how they were damaged by event X happening in Joe Blows game.

This is a myth. FM does not claim to represent any prediction of reality. Things start to go fictional with the first click of the space bar. Thus, players have no standing to sue for anything represented in the game. Also, they would have a hard time showing how they were damaged by event X happening in Joe Blows game.

Its not a myth, the wouldnt be given the licenses again if they protrayed any real players in a bad light, and its proberbly written into the terms of use of the license as well.

Its not a myth, the wouldnt be given the licenses again if they protrayed any real players in a bad light, and its proberbly written into the terms of use of the license as well.

They dont license players; they license leagues. The Leagues need the SI money more than SI need the licenses. Game makers dont need a license at all to use real players in their games. SI dont have a license for the EPL and no one really notices. It strikes at the heart of the games integrity and realism if real world occurrences are kept out of the game for silly PC reasons.

How come things like this never happen to real players then? I've only ever seen such things occurring with newgen players.

Equally, how come real players never have really negative personality types that some of the newgens come out with?

They dont license players; they license leagues. The Leagues need the SI money more than SI need the licenses. Game makers dont need a license at all to use real players in their games. SI dont have a license for the EPL and no one really notices. It strikes at the heart of the games integrity and realism if real world occurrences are kept out of the game for silly PC reasons.

The leagues do not need SI more than SI need them, FM would not be half as popular without the licensed leagues, its a huge selling point of the game, i doubt any of the leagues rely on the small amount (in the bigger picture) of money SI will pay each year for the licenses.

The bottom line is, players take how they are portrayed on FM very seriously in some cases, hence why Oliver Khan threatened SI with legal action unless he was removed from the game, because amongst other things, he was not happy with how he was rated in the game so i would imagine SI will not take any risks with portraying ANY player as being unprofessional because its not worth the law suit.

The game markets itself as intending to be realistic and accurate on the game as it is, in real life it may be realistic for Joey Barton to go around smacking people but its not for a lot of other players, now if they start doing it in FM then almost by extension its a judgement passed on their character. Putting the stats into the machine is coming out with "Player A is likely to get drunk the night before training" or "Player B is likely to begin punching opponents on the pitch". You start to get on very thin ice at that point as attributes are one thing, its a quantity to something which can only ever be a personal opinion. A persons history and what they've done are a fact, if they haven't been violent/drinking in the past it would be very risky to begin suggesting they would now.

It's great that this kind of stuff still happens in the game. It's just a shame that the pro's and there lawyers are so pathetic that SI cant implement things like this into real players on FM. The world has gone mad!

More worryingly, what happens when players and lawyers start getting involved with there stats!

This is a myth. FM does not claim to represent any prediction of reality. Things start to go fictional with the first click of the space bar. Thus, players have no standing to sue for anything represented in the game. Also, they would have a hard time showing how they were damaged by event X happening in Joe Blows game.

Wrong mate.... I remember the pod cast and the words from Miles mouth.

They can't do it with real players in case those players take exception and sue SI. Pretty simple explanation really.

More worryingly, what happens when players and lawyers start getting involved with there stats!

Like with Kahn (Jens Musterman) they would be removed and replaced with a made up player who basically has the same stats, im sure the Holland manager is a fake in the game as well, could be wrong with that one tho.....

Your right tho the world has gone completely mad!!

Like with Kahn (Jens Musterman) they would be removed and replaced with a made up player who basically has the same stats, im sure the Holland manager is a fake in the game as well, could be wrong with that one tho.....

Your right tho the world has gone completely mad!!

You mean somebody did actually complain and got taken out of the game because of there stats?

You mean somebody did actually complain and got taken out of the game because of there stats?

Yeah Oliver Kahn complained about how he was portrayed in game and threatened to sue unless he was removed, he became Jens Musterman in the game, think it was fm08 or 09.

Yeah Oliver Kahn complained about how he was portrayed in game and threatened to sue unless he was removed, he became Jens Musterman in the game, think it was fm08 or 09.

Thats who he was! I always wondered.

No surprises about one of the biggest egos (and jaws) in football being a complete ***** though eh.

One of my players was caught partying two days in a row. :-/ Two weeks fine for both - he took the first one alright, but clearly didn't listen! Go out partying, get fined, accept the fine, go out partying again...

A shame, because he was a decent player too... But thanks to his attitude, never played in Serie A when he could easily have done so.

You know, if this is in the game for regens, than there's gotta be a flag somewhere that says if a player's a regen or an actual player, and simply flipping that flag would make these kind of announcements pop up for players like Balotelli. Am I right?

You know, if this is in the game for regens, than there's gotta be a flag somewhere that says if a player's a regen or an actual player, and simply flipping that flag would make these kind of announcements pop up for players like Balotelli. Am I right?

possibly, but its not an editable option given to us using either the FM editor or FMRTE, it would be hidden somewhere and without knowlage of FM and its code it would be very difficult to find.

This is class! hahaha! SI are right in not letting real players have this! because money grabbing football players will do anything for more money!

but i wonder what else brings to the game after 25 seasons all the real players will be gone..... i wonder if SI have done different stuff for when all the real players have gone, like more stuff like this....

Back to the player the OP posted, I can't believe the paparazzi would even know of or be interested in such a rubbish player.

Wrong mate.... I remember the pod cast and the words from Miles mouth.

They can't do it with real players in case those players take exception and sue SI. Pretty simple explanation really.

The players would have no standing to sue..and that would be if SI INTENTIONALLY programmed it so real player X is forced to enter drug rehab. The game is random and fictional. If the EPL players could sue to stop SI from using their name and stats without being compensated, they would. This is a PR issue, not a legal issue.

The players would have no standing to sue..and that would be if SI INTENTIONALLY programmed it so real player X is forced to enter drug rehab. The game is random and fictional. If the EPL players could sue to stop SI from using their name and stats without being compensated, they would. This is a PR issue, not a legal issue.

your clearly ignoring the point of Oliver Kahn, it is a legal issue, he wanted to sue SI the only way out was to remove him from the game, it is a very big legal issue how you represent a person when using his name and details.

The players would have no standing to sue..and that would be if SI INTENTIONALLY programmed it so real player X is forced to enter drug rehab. The game is random and fictional. If the EPL players could sue to stop SI from using their name and stats without being compensated, they would. This is a PR issue, not a legal issue.

Leaving in the possibility that a player could behave in such a way is enough. Imagine, Player A is a model professional. He would never do something like Stringfellow. In FM, there is a reasonable representation of his ability, his personality traits, his appearance and his contract details. If his ingame persona goes to a nightclub and behaves unprofessionally, then the upshot is that SI have implied that player A would do this, as it is meant to be a reasonable representation of him as a person. To put it simply, it's a character slur.

I believe it is a legal issue that you can't represent someone as being this unprofessional at their job without expecting them to complain, and seek compensation for it.

Bababui needs to read up on personality rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights

It's not ok to run a newstory saying that Rooney has been on a killing spree under the pretence it could happen in the future or its just a random outcome of somethings programming. It could well be a computer program that determines the outcome, but putting it in public domain is damaging to his character, if it happened to someone like Barton you could argue its been targetted to him because of his past and even though hes trying to change (whether he is or not etc etc) its merely a game trying to profit over his questionnable past and it makes it harder for him to change. It is in the grand scheme insignificant, but its important enough to be pulled up. The truth may be that it could go to court and SI could come away comfortable winners thanks to an error by the prosecution in the 89th minute but its better not to risk it rather than have to pay out libel damages and all that other stuff.

your clearly ignoring the point of Oliver Kahn, it is a legal issue, he wanted to sue SI the only way out was to remove him from the game, it is a very big legal issue how you represent a person when using his name and details.

Kahn would not have been successful. SI was just playing it safe and avoiding a costly legal hassle. If SI is free to include other players without their express permission, why couldnt they also include Kahn, if they wanted?

Bababui needs to read up on personality rights: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights

If you are correct, then why doesnt SI pay compensation to the players for using their image? In the USA, the Supreme Court has ruled that players names and stats (as opposed to images) are not protected and may be used without compensation in games and fantasy sites.

Leaving in the possibility that a player could behave in such a way is enough. Imagine, Player A is a model professional. He would never do something like Stringfellow. In FM, there is a reasonable representation of his ability, his personality traits, his appearance and his contract details. If his ingame persona goes to a nightclub and behaves unprofessionally, then the upshot is that SI have implied that player A would do this, as it is meant to be a reasonable representation of him as a person. To put it simply, it's a character slur.

I believe it is a legal issue that you can't represent someone as being this unprofessional at their job without expecting them to complain, and seek compensation for it.

But FM isnt a public representation. Its a game played by private individuals. As such, any footballer..a public figure..would have quite a hard time showing how they were harmed. Also, given the jist of some of the arguments in here, players would have the right to sue if they think they are being under-evaluated in the game. Which, of course, they cant.

Kahn would not have been successful. SI was just playing it safe and avoiding a costly legal hassle. If SI is free to include other players without their express permission, why couldnt they also include Kahn, if they wanted?

well if as you say the player had no leg to stand on SI would not have a legal bill, Kahn would they would have let him go ahead and waste his time, but the fact is they didnt and that says there definately must be a legal issue. The simple fact is you cannot use someones name and do whatever you want with it, and you cannot portray anyone as being unprofessional to that extreme.

SI pay the leagues for image rights, not players, so there will be a fee paid at somepoint.

But FM isnt a public representation. Its a game played by private individuals. As such, any footballer..a public figure..would have quite a hard time showing how they were harmed. Also, given the jist of some of the arguments in here, players would have the right to sue if they think they are being under-evaluated in the game. Which, of course, they cant.

being under valued and being made out to be unprofessional are two different things.

well if as you say the player had no leg to stand on SI would not have a legal bill, Kahn would they would have let him go ahead and waste his time, but the fact is they didnt and that says there definately must be a legal issue. The simple fact is you cannot use someones name and do whatever you want with it, and you cannot portray anyone as being unprofessional to that extreme.

SI pay the leagues for image rights, not players, so there will be a fee paid at somepoint.

It says that SI would rather change one malcontents name (and allow files to be posted on their editior site to change it back) than waste time and money on lawyers fees. And also they avoid the bad publicity.

SI have no deal with the EPL. They dont pay one penny to use EPL players names and stats. Also, image rights are different from just using names and stats. There is a reason why FM doesnt ship with player pics included.

being under valued and being made out to be unprofessional are two different things.

You do understand that what happens in our individual games isnt made public? And that therefor there is no damage to a real person. Also, since the game engine is random, SI couldnt be held liable for intentionally damaging anyone's reputation. As I said, SI do this for PR rather than legal reasons.

You do understand that what happens in our individual games isnt made public? And that therefor there is no damage to a real person. Also, since the game engine is random, SI couldnt be held liable for intentionally damaging anyone's reputation. As I said, SI do this for PR rather than legal reasons.

it is made public, on these forums, many people post experiences of their game, if even one person posted a screen shot of a real player missing training then it becomes public and then it becomes an issue for SI because publically their game has suggested x player is unprofessional, intentially or not. Plus real players will play FM, how happy would say Frank Lampard be if he saw himself acting unprofessioaly in the game, he would question why this is happening, if it happens in one game it could happen in another, and the way stats work, if the player is unprofessional in one game, he will be in every single game, before you know it everyone who plays FM will question if Lampard is professional or not, because all stats in this game are to an extent a replication of real life, they are all taken from the real world to the extent possible.

I think it is a nice thing to be in the game adds a bit of spice to the game.

SI have no deal with the EPL. They dont pay one penny to use EPL players names and stats. Also, image rights are different from just using names and stats. There is a reason why FM doesnt ship with player pics included.

You see the EPL logo in the credits yes? Si do have an agreement with the EPL and their sponsers hence why they are allowed to use the logo in their game.

To use even only the teams' names you need to have a license.