New Laptop/PC- Help Needed

[Smurf]

4 minutes ago, meebee said:

Well SSD's do have a heavy impact on loading times at least. (and if i imagine, that with only 8GB, virtual memory will be used while playing fm, then it still does move data from and to ssd while playing it)

And as much as i know, fm is still single thread? Therefore the maximum increase will be aprox. about 25% if you invest in a cpu with boost around 4.1GHz. (that would be around 1k)

If he got the money, sure.. why not? Is it worth it? I am not sure.

To me, laptops are a waste of money anyways. I only bought one for myself once, because i needed it for work.

Desktop computers offer much more possibilities to keep them alive for a long time. Upgrading and expanding it step by step.

 

Nevermind. There could be plenty of reasons, about which i don't know,  why buying a new one would be more reasonable.

But if its for fm only - then i would advise..  consider twice

 

(one thing for sure. with windows 10 i would never go with 8GB memory only. Nor did i ever since WIN7)

No ssd has no impact on fm. I installed on both ssd and 10000rpm drive and load times are the same. The vram has little impact from my tests. Not saying my tests are definitive but its come up on the forums over and over and no improvement on ssd.

Unless you are editing video or heavy photoshopping or 3d models etc then 8gb is enough. Definitely having more is a good thing. But generally its fine.

The increase alone in a 8th gen is about 25% in single thread. Thats not adding the increases in performance from 4th to 8th gen. The architecture has changed so much since 3rd gen there would be highly significant gains in going to 8th gen or even 7th gen.

 

Anyway not everyone is capable or comfortable upgrading and of they want new and can afford it then why not indeed.

I would never go desktop again. Love a laptop. Get extremely good ones these days. And they are more expensive. But i guess its personal preference.

 

And i honestly only buy new computer for fm. Sad, yes. Worth it, for me, YES.

i also do graphic design on mine though too. So having a high end laptop helps.

[meebee]

Sure. Don't feel offended. I just felt the need to make my point of view.

I do nothing but sitting in front of my computer every day and for my tasks, apart from gaming, i do need additional memory.

Thats why i got 32GB, Quad Channel Memory and 8cores 16 threads.

However, when upgrading from my 3rd Gen Intel to the present machine, i felt almost no improvement while playing fm.

I couldn't back it up by numbers. It just what it feels like. (maybe because i had a good build before too)

Just thought one should make clear, that the performance increase might not be what one would expect when investing 1k.

[Smurf]

4 minutes ago, meebee said:

 

Just thought one should make clear, that the performance increase might not be what one would expect when investing 1k.

Yeh cheapest i have found is 560. For fm.

If you have over 1500 then congrats.

But under 1000 you can make a dif getting higher specs.

 

[meebee]

vor 27 Minuten schrieb Barside:

An SSD offers no improvement on load/saves times in FM over a HDD, I've tested it.,

FM does support multi thread processing for both match engine & transfer AI which are the two biggets processing demands in the game.

Even if so... he does own an i7 Quad core processor with 3.2GB boost already (not sure if it boosts up top that speed on all cores. Might be just on 1)

Would 2 additional cores make any difference? Does the new cpu boost at higher speed on all cores or only one?

Because if you look closely, you might realize that the base core is not much higher (if at all).

Yes. Infrastructure has changed. And on an old machine transfer rates are limited due to narrow pipelines.

 

Still.. the entire daily routine will be better. Its about "how it feels" compared to the present 5.4k rpm drive.

Remember the first time you experienced the difference between hdd and ssd while installing and booting up your system?

Thats HUGE!

[Smurf]

Boot up times are better. But again it does nothing for fm.

The infrastructure and gains of 8th gen and 7th give significant improvement. So going from 3rd gen to 8th would be a huge improvement imo.

 

[basqueliverpool]

what do you make of these?

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-15-5000-15-6-intel-core-i5-laptop-2-tb-hdd-black-10181488-pdt.html

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-15-cd059sa-15-6-amd-a12-laptop-2-tb-hdd-silver-10174103-pdt.html

[Smurf]

41 minutes ago, basqueliverpool said:

what do you make of these?

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/dell-inspiron-15-5000-15-6-intel-core-i5-laptop-2-tb-hdd-black-10181488-pdt.html

https://www.currys.co.uk/gbuk/computing/laptops/laptops/hp-pavilion-15-cd059sa-15-6-amd-a12-laptop-2-tb-hdd-silver-10174103-pdt.html

This is better 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/NX.GP8EK.003-Acer-Aspire-7-A715-71G-57YT_2156569.html

[MrRei11y]

Hi like everyone I'm looking for a new laptop and just before I buy one of the Asus laptops that smurf recommended I just saw this with £100 off so wanted to see what you thought

https://www.very.co.uk/dell-g3-series-intelreg-coretrade-i5-8300h-8gbnbspddr4-ram-256gbnbspssd-156-inch-full-hd-gaming-laptop-with-4gbnbspgeforce-gtx-1050-graphics-with-gaming-software-pack/1600290638.prd

[Smurf]

Looks good

[Lewis007]

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-sabre-15g-v8-cf1-nvidia-gtx-1050-4gb-gddr5-15.6-fhd-ips-intel-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-08u-gi.html

Is this a good laptop to get? Will it last me 5 years or so to play most games?

[Smurf]

36 minutes ago, Lewis007 said:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/gigabyte-sabre-15g-v8-cf1-nvidia-gtx-1050-4gb-gddr5-15.6-fhd-ips-intel-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-08u-gi.html

Is this a good laptop to get? Will it last me 5 years or so to play most games?

It's good.

Same price and specs except better graphic card.

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GM-EN150T-ASUS-FX504GM-EN150T-Gaming-Laptop_2344467.html

 

[Lewis007]

6 minutes ago, Smurf said:

It's good.

Same price and specs except better graphic card.

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GM-EN150T-ASUS-FX504GM-EN150T-Gaming-Laptop_2344467.html 

Thanks man for the recommendation. Is that one better than this?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-gl73-nvidia-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-gddr5-17.3-fhd-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-27d-ms.html

[Smurf]

43 minutes ago, Lewis007 said:

Thanks man for the recommendation. Is that one better than this?

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/msi-gl73-nvidia-gtx-1050-ti-4gb-gddr5-17.3-fhd-i7-8750h-gaming-laptop-lt-27d-ms.html

I believe so

 

[Novem9]

i5 8600k or i7 8700k

Are there big difference of game speed between these two proccessors? 

Database about 15 countries, 25 leagues, 80-100k units

[Smurf]

The i7 is better but the i5 is more than adequate.

[burakmanap]

Hello,

I bought a new laptop 2 days ago. According to you, is this computer suitable for FM2019? Did you checked FM2019 requirements ?

(Asus VivoBook A505ZA-BQ344T 15.6" FHD AMD R3-2200 1TB 4GB Win10 Laptop)

This is my new laptop informations..

 

Thank you !

 

 

[Guest]

It will run FM however you might find it be a slow experience if you run too many leagues so finding the sweet spot may take a few goes with save startups & use of the add/remove leagues function.

Graphics performance will probably be best at low settings.

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Novem9 said:

i5 8600k or i7 8700k

Are there big difference of game speed between these two proccessors? 

Database about 15 countries, 25 leagues, 80-100k units

Based on FM18 the only significant difference is that the i7 will perform better if you want to run your selected leagues in full detail, if you leave the settings at their default values the i5 will perform just as well.

With 19 so close to release I’d suggest waiting on a final purchase decision until the new release as we don’t if SI have added more HT supported functions that could make the i7 a better value for money option.

[Casual_jim]

Hi,

Sorry if this has been asked before but I need help. Im looking at buying a new laptop or desktop to play football manager 19. However budget is a major factor. Im literally only purchasing to play FM and occasionally browse the internet. Max budget is £400 but less would be better. I only play English leagues. Achievable or not? If so any recommendations?

 

Thanks.

[Smurf]

28 minutes ago, Casual_jim said:

Hi,

Sorry if this has been asked before but I need help. Im looking at buying a new laptop or desktop to play football manager 19. However budget is a major factor. Im literally only purchasing to play FM and occasionally browse the internet. Max budget is £400 but less would be better. I only play English leagues. Achievable or not? If so any recommendations?

 

Thanks.

This is the best I can see

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/A556UQ-DM1469T-ASUS-Vivobook-A556UQ-DM1469T_2255403.html

 

 

[Braumiller]

I'd be interested to hear opinions on this laptop;

http://www.microcenter.com/product/507694/pavilion-15-cs0059nr-156-laptop-computer---silver#

 

I play all non-FM gaming on my PS4 Pro, so this will be for FM19 onwards and general PC usage.  I like the processor, memory combo.  On the fence, even though the price seems great (I am a tight a$$  ).  There is an open box for $720 ($180 off the current price, reduced price)

[Casual_jim]

1 hour ago, Smurf said:

This is the best I can see

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/A556UQ-DM1469T-ASUS-Vivobook-A556UQ-DM1469T_2255403.html

 

 

Cheers for the reply. If i were to watch games via classic would a cheaper laptop suffice or still not?

[Smurf]

4 minutes ago, Casual_jim said:

Cheers for the reply. If i were to watch games via classic would a cheaper laptop suffice or still not?

I honestly don't know - how cheap do you want to go?

[peteransnr]

This one is good, isn't it?: https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GD-DM346T-ASUS-FX504GD-DM346T-Gaming-Laptop_2387834.html

i7 and 16GB RAM. What's the downside?

[Guest]

Battery life is not exactly great but then again how often will you be playing FM out of the house?

[chocolatecoatedballs]

On 01/10/2018 at 22:50, Casual_jim said:

Hi,

Sorry if this has been asked before but I need help. Im looking at buying a new laptop or desktop to play football manager 19. However budget is a major factor. Im literally only purchasing to play FM and occasionally browse the internet. Max budget is £400 but less would be better. I only play English leagues. Achievable or not? If so any recommendations?

 

Thanks.

You could try something like this and it will prrobably be about half price or more and perform better than any laptop at that price.

Use the extra money for a cheap 1080p monitor and or ssd. You could also get the 2400G instead of the 2200G, but price wise you can't get cheaper and will game anything atm on 1080p, even crysis 5, albeit on low settings. But it should be more than enough for what you want in a computer.

 

https://au.pcpartpicker.com/user/Justinqmelb/saved/VFFP3C

The motherboard needs a bios update that the store can do, or just get them to build it.

[peteransnr]

22 hours ago, Barside said:

Battery life is not exactly great but then again how often will you be playing FM out of the house?

Probably never. 

 

Cheers!

[chocolatecoatedballs]

On 02/10/2018 at 06:23, peteransnr said:

This one is good, isn't it?: https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GD-DM346T-ASUS-FX504GD-DM346T-Gaming-Laptop_2387834.html

i7 and 16GB RAM. What's the downside?

It's a mobile cpu, it's only 4 core non hyperthread, amoungst other things.

15" screen, I think I had one in 1994.

gtx 1050, even by desktop standards is pretty low and mobile components might have a similar name, but have nothing in commen with their desktop varient,

A laptop i7 is no where near a desktop i7 or example. The only reason for going laptop if you have the need of portability, or power efficiency, but there are desktop cpu's that offer much greater perfermance at nearly laptop efficiency. Do you need the portability?

[Guest]

14 minutes ago, chocolatecoatedballs said:

It's a mobile cpu, it's only 4 core non hyperthread, amoungst other things.

The laptop they linked has an i7-8750H, that’s a 6 Core with hyperthreading cpu.

If you’re going to offer advice at least take the time to read the user’s post & to reply with accurate knowledge.

[chocolatecoatedballs]

41 minutes ago, Barside said:

The laptop they linked has an i7-8750H, that’s a 6 Core with hyperthreading cpu.

If you’re going to offer advice at least take the time to read the user’s post & to reply with accurate knowledge.

My mistake.

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-vs-Intel-Core-i5-8400/m470418vs3939

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600/m470418vs3955

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-8750H-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/m470418vs3956

shall we price compare?

[Guest]

Compare what exactly?

[chocolatecoatedballs]

The price of a laptop comparitve to a desktop, just adding gpu's it's not even close.

you can buy some cheap monitors, or just use your tv.

I don't get the infactuation with inferior product at a higher price tbh.

[Guest]

We all know that desktop is the more cost effective option but that does not tend to be the preferred choice of those seeking help in this thread. It also doesn’t change the fact that the content of your post above is almost entirely inaccurate & unhelpful.

[chocolatecoatedballs]

2 hours ago, Barside said:

We all know that desktop is more cost effective but that does not tend to be the preferred choice of those seeking help in this thread. It also doesn’t change the fact that the content of your post above is almost entirely inaccurate & unhelpful.

My post above?

I don't mind being corrected, mobile computing is not my thing, so I am happy to accede.

For those seeking help in this thread have said they are open to a desktop, the thread name is laptop pc help, so don't try that.

why anyone would spend 1500 pounds, not aus dollars but pounds! on a laptop seems mindboggling, you could get a high end desktop for that money, a pretty good mid to high range in aus dollars just taking the value

Unless you need the portability, why spend 2 or 3 times as much?

[peteransnr]

Thanks for the replies, guys. I'd rather play it in bed, or on the sofa, or if I go away and want to play away, or even on a train when in first class. So it's 100% laptop. 

[Smurf]

23 hours ago, chocolatecoatedballs said:

My post above?

I don't mind being corrected, mobile computing is not my thing, so I am happy to accede.

For those seeking help in this thread have said they are open to a desktop, the thread name is laptop pc help, so don't try that.

why anyone would spend 1500 pounds, not aus dollars but pounds! on a laptop seems mindboggling, you could get a high end desktop for that money, a pretty good mid to high range in aus dollars just taking the value

Unless you need the portability, why spend 2 or 3 times as much?

I don't have the space for a desktop computer right now, plus lugging it around on the bus and the train is a huge chore. 

Pay more for portablitly. And I'm happy with that.

[Cro-cop]

Guys, i would appreciate if someone can help me.

Few, weeks ago i got myself new laptop, Asus Vivobook X505BP-EJ081

 - AMD Dual Core A9-9420

 - 8GB DDR4

 - 1TB HDD + 128GB SSD

 - AMD R5 M420 2GB

I am now playing FM18, but i need to put settings to low to actually make it work properly, talking about watching matches in 3D mostly.

I am sure with this laptop i should be able to play on higher settings, or am i wrong?

[Smurf]

3 hours ago, Cro-cop said:

Guys, i would appreciate if someone can help me.

Few, weeks ago i got myself new laptop, Asus Vivobook X505BP-EJ081

 - AMD Dual Core A9-9420

 - 8GB DDR4

 - 1TB HDD + 128GB SSD

 - AMD R5 M420 2GB

I am now playing FM18, but i need to put settings to low to actually make it work properly, talking about watching matches in 3D mostly.

I am sure with this laptop i should be able to play on higher settings, or am i wrong?

Whats the budget? Link?

[Guest]

4 hours ago, Cro-cop said:

Guys, i would appreciate if someone can help me.

Few, weeks ago i got myself new laptop, Asus Vivobook X505BP-EJ081

 - AMD Dual Core A9-9420

 - 8GB DDR4

 - 1TB HDD + 128GB SSD

 - AMD R5 M420 2GB

I am now playing FM18, but i need to put settings to low to actually make it work properly, talking about watching matches in 3D mostly.

I am sure with this laptop i should be able to play on higher settings, or am i wrong?

I’m afraid it can’tc both cpu & gpu are low spec components, getting FM & in particular the match graphics to run at any settings is the best you can hope for.

[Jacques298]

I am looking to buy a 17 inch laptop, i am looking to keep the cost between 1000-1200 euro (i would buy in Germany if that helps).

The catch: it has to be as silent as possible.

The background: i already own a decent gaming pc in my office, and i play (mostly FM, but also XCOM2 and the odd civilization game) from my couch on a laptop using steam streaming. When i do that, i would expect the laptop to be completely silent.

What prevents me to buy a passively cooled one is i havent been able to find one in 17 inch (thats important to me), and i also want some performance to be able to run a few leagues when i am away on vacation or for work (being silent while directly playing on it does not matter anymore). 

[Smurf]

35 minutes ago, Jacques298 said:

I am looking to buy a 17 inch laptop, i am looking to keep the cost between 1000-1200 euro (i would buy in Germany if that helps).

The catch: it has to be as silent as possible.

The background: i already own a decent gaming pc in my office, and i play (mostly FM, but also XCOM2 and the odd civilization game) from my couch on a laptop using steam streaming. When i do that, i would expect the laptop to be completely silent.

What prevents me to buy a passively cooled one is i havent been able to find one in 17 inch (thats important to me), and i also want some performance to be able to run a few leagues when i am away on vacation or for work (being silent while directly playing on it does not matter anymore). 

I'm confused... do you want it quiet or not?

If you want quiet you need to go fanless and SSD. Best to get a laptop built to that spec, as it's difficult to find fanless laptops (it's not a spec that can be filtered), and 17 inch fanless seems a bit uncommon.

This is a thin laptop from PC Specialist - no idea if it's fanless - but you can contact PC Specialist and maybe someone there can help  you out in building it the way you want. 

Just note - this is a bit over your budget.

The battery for travelling also might be a stumbling block - so you may need to ask PC Specialist about this.

Chassis & Display
Defiance Series: 17.3" Matte Full HD 144Hz 72% NTSC LED Widescreen (1920x1080) + G-Sync
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™ i7 Six Core Processor 8750H (2.2GHz, 4.1GHz Turbo)
Memory (RAM)
16GB Corsair 2400MHz SODIMM DDR4 (1 x 16GB)
Graphics Card
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1060 - 6.0GB GDDR5 Video RAM - DirectX® 12.1
1^st M.2 SSD Drive
512GB SAMSUNG 970 PRO M.2, PCIe NVMe (up to 3500MB/R, 2300MB/W)
Battery
Defiance Series 4 Cell Lithium Ion Battery (66WH)
Thermal Paste
COOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND

Price €1,716.00 including VAT and delivery

Unique URL to re-configure : https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/saved-configurations/defiancev-17/rrcNkyZxzd/

[Zemahh]

Can someone help me build a minimal budget (£400) desktop PC, that will be decent enough to run FM? I'm currently running it on an 8 years old CPU with integrated graphics and until this year's 3D graphics engine changes, it was running just fine, so surely whatever I get should be a decent enough upgrade? As long as I can run FM in full screen resolution and load up a few leagues, I'll be fine, I'm aware that I can't expect a lightning speed of an i9 for that kind of money.

I don't play anything else, so I'm not sure whether I even need a dedicated graphics card. I can also take HDD instead of SSD, since it doesn't make any difference with FM. Is 8GB ram a must these days or can I go with 4GB instead and rather put a few more bucks towards the CPU?

Would really appreciate some help!

[Smurf]

41 minutes ago, Zemahh said:

Can someone help me build a minimal budget (£400) desktop PC, that will be decent enough to run FM? I'm currently running it on an 8 years old CPU with integrated graphics and until this year's 3D graphics engine changes, it was running just fine, so surely whatever I get should be a decent enough upgrade? As long as I can run FM in full screen resolution and load up a few leagues, I'll be fine, I'm aware that I can't expect a lightning speed of an i9 for that kind of money.

I don't play anything else, so I'm not sure whether I even need a dedicated graphics card. I can also take HDD instead of SSD, since it doesn't make any difference with FM. Is 8GB ram a must these days or can I go with 4GB instead and rather put a few more bucks towards the CPU?

Would really appreciate some help!

Struggling with this one... 

[TheGreatBOD]

I've been thinking of getting a new PC for whenever Football Manager 2019 comes out. What do you guys think about this one?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/New-Desktop-Gaming-PC-Computer-AMD-A4-Dual-Core-Radeon-Graphics-Windows-10/361983420274?hash=item5447e4a772:m:m9HQ0w20BoKZ3KKEh1T8JJQ

[bigmattb28]

What's the difference between i7-8750H & i5-8300H processors? Are the 'H' range of processors good?

 

Also this laptop do you think it would be abelt o run around 10 nations well? Long term save ideally.

 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GD-E4278T-ASUS-FX504GD-E4278T-Gaming-Laptop_2392238.html#DetailTop

[Smurf]

55 minutes ago, bigmattb28 said:

What's the difference between i7-8750H & i5-8300H processors? Are the 'H' range of processors good?

 

Also this laptop do you think it would be abelt o run around 10 nations well? Long term save ideally.

 

https://www.saveonlaptops.co.uk/FX504GD-E4278T-ASUS-FX504GD-E4278T-Gaming-Laptop_2392238.html#DetailTop

i7 8750h is 6 cores x 12 threads

i5 8300h is 4 cores x 8 threads.

i7 is better - but the i5 is more than enough. 

It's a nice laptop 

[Cro-cop]

18 hours ago, Smurf said:

Whats the budget? Link?

https://www.instar-informatika.hr/notebook-asus-vivobook-x505bp-ej081-156-fhd-amd-dual-core-a9-9420-up-to-36ghz-8gb-ddr4-1tb-hdd-128gb-ssd-amd-radeon-r5-m420-2gb-no-odd-linux-2-god-/ASU-0354/product/

Sorry for this kind of link, i am not sure how to post it properly. Thats the site i bought it from. The cost is around 450£ 

 

Thanks for help, Smurf/Barside

[Smurf]

1 hour ago, Cro-cop said:

https://www.instar-informatika.hr/notebook-asus-vivobook-x505bp-ej081-156-fhd-amd-dual-core-a9-9420-up-to-36ghz-8gb-ddr4-1tb-hdd-128gb-ssd-amd-radeon-r5-m420-2gb-no-odd-linux-2-god-/ASU-0354/product/

Sorry for this kind of link, i am not sure how to post it properly. Thats the site i bought it from. The cost is around 450£ 

 

Thanks for help, Smurf/Barside

I think you should be aiming more along the lines of this

https://www.instar-informatika.hr/notebook-hp-pavilion-gaming-15-cb013nm-2qd55ea-156-fhd-intel-core-i5-7300hq-up-to-35ghz-8gb-ddr4-1tb-hdd-nvidia-geforce-gtx1050-4gb-no-odd-dos-1-god-best-buy/0381280/product/

Cheapest I could find on the site. Maybe Barside has an opinion on something else, I did see an i5 8th gen U on there - but wasn't sure if it would good enough.

[Zemahh]

5 hours ago, Smurf said:

Struggling with this one... 

What would be the minimum budget required then? Which processor and graphics card (if needed) would you recommend to someone on a tight budget?

We're talking minimum required for a decent Football Manager experience. It's the only game that will ever be played on it, so please keep that in mind. I don't need an expensive graphics card to watch dots on screen. 

[Smurf]

27 minutes ago, Zemahh said:

What would be the minimum budget required then? Which processor and graphics card (if needed) would you recommend to someone on a tight budget?

We're talking minimum required for a decent Football Manager experience. It's the only game that will ever be played on it, so please keep that in mind. I don't need an expensive graphics card to watch dots on screen. 

https://www.box.co.uk/MSI-Codex-3-7RB-035UK-Desktop-Gaming-PC_2298537.html

I would say