ceefax the cat Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 *head round door, sniffs air* Someone told me there were some outstandingly negative tactics going on in here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Hah, haven't seen you around in a while. Negative ftw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Incredibly low "Goals Scored" across the board in that season, your glamorous approach is obviously catching on! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Britrock Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Amazing stuff. Looks like City are your bogey team now though, knocking you out of the cup and beating and drawing in the league Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax the cat Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 The timing is good. Just landed the dream Gateshead job after a couple of seasons of abject failure in Wales and Scotland. The board are keen on the direct, defensive approach so let's see if they have the stomach for some truly horrific football. I don't have a sweeper unfortunately, and we're in the middle of a season, so I'll have to concoct something else for the time being. But this is a bookmark. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 A DC on cover will be the best bet until you find a sweeper. Or just chuck a DM back there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Oh what an update. The defence is even tighter now <3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpassosbh Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Now the big question... With this new patch, this tactic will continue to work? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 It's working better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cleon Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Defensively it should be a lot more stable and consistent now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 It's getting ridiculous - 9/10 highlights are of my team with possession, despite averaging around 40% possession. Why? Because all the opposition can do is pass the ball back and forth outside my box and then pass diagonally towards the corner where someone will take a quick shot in the hope it somehow goes in Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryseaess Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I'm going to give this a go with my United team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceefax the cat Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 "Ackternaccio" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Pastore is terrifying. That is all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ifail Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 ackter will u post a complete tactic so we can download it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 No, I won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porthos Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 How much more than the instructions for the whole starting 11x + this entire thread of info do you need?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Demon Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 ackter will u post a complete tactic so we can download it He already has the tactic posted in full with the player instructions on the page, all you really need to do is just look at the pictures and copy them, takes literally five minutes. Anyway, I don't think I'd have the stomach to play such negative football like this, although I do hate conceding even one goal in a game, I love attacking football too much Great thread though Ackter, there's so many great threads out for FM 14 as it is but this is def one of the best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 If someone downloads this and tries to play it, it will fail and fail horribly. The players are incredibly important and shaping how they behave is essential. To build your own catenaccio, you'll need to start from scratch like I did and go with the flow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Odom Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 You'll need a 'Don't try this at home, kids" disclaimer for this thread. Basically: if anyone gets the idea of how you do it, they could (and probably would if they want to) do it themselves, otherwise they should just stear crear from trying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 I'm constantly tweaking it match to match at the moment. The defensive side is still pretty much nailed on, but need to curb the attacking of the right back (he's drifting forward a lot to support the right winger - probably because there's no one else in there with the halfback dropping deeper.). I've also been trying to improve the quality of chances the team creates whenever we, for some bizarre reason, actually start controlling the opposition (there's times where the AI are trying to outdefence me, and my better players are trying to make something happen in those situations). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Odom Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I'm constantly tweaking it match to match at the moment. The defensive side is still pretty much nailed on, but need to curb the attacking of the right back (he's drifting forward a lot to support the right winger - probably because there's no one else in there with the halfback dropping deeper.).I've also been trying to improve the quality of chances the team creates whenever we, for some bizarre reason, actually start controlling the opposition (there's times where the AI are trying to outdefence me, and my better players are trying to make something happen in those situations). What happens in those circumstances? 11 players on each half doing a huddle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 This: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I'm constantly tweaking it match to match at the moment. On what highlights setting do you watch your games then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Erm, whatever the one that's less than full match is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Odom Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Comprehensive, I believe. How does that work against Fulham? If they try to outdefense you, how come you open them up so easily? I was under the impression you tried to counter the opposition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 It's hard to counter people who don't attack tbf Basically they couldn't deal with the engarche, who had the game of his life. Sigi on the left absolutely tore them apart as well. Whenever they did attack, we punished them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Odom Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Their slower tempo may have given your players time to set up your counters perfectly. Or am I reading that wrong? Don't know how this plays out in match so it's just a guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Basically it was just a load of passing around in midfield, dull as hell, but whenever they ventured that little bit further forward it would be tackle > pass > cross or tackle > pass > shot. They were leaving plenty of space when they were attacking, they just weren't attacking much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Here's my results since the patch: Can anyone spot a running theme there? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Demon Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Ha, what happens to you lot away from home, can't pull off a win away from SJP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
shirajzl Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Tigres managed to score! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Ha, what happens to you lot away from home, can't pull off a win away from SJP I'm hoping it's because I played weaker teams against Celtic, Stoke and Swansea. An away draw with Chelsea and Man U is still pretty good. Pastore run me absolutely ragged at Old Trafford, was lucky to come away from there with the draw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Tigres managed to score! Wonderful free kick goal, too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 And the current tactical iteration (note, not my full strength side): Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RocheBag Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Have you noticed a big difference since giving the CWB the cut inside instruction? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 With Gylfi playing, yes. He just runs the match, popping up everywhere with shots. My other options there are nowhere near as effective. I'm currently retraining an AM as WBL to take over as Gylfi's in his 30s now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 And he's competent defensively? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 Not really, but he's not really meant to be, either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocheBag Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 I see. Pretty interesting stuff all around. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
enemyzz Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Great read Ackter. Thankyou. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gpassosbh Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 When you play against a weaker side, did you change your mentality?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 No, the mentality is they key part of catenaccio. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeesterCat Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Here's my results since the patch: Can anyone spot a running theme there? All those beautiful 0s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 Annoyingly, I was on 5 conceded goals until I got beat 1-0 away to Arsenal and Liverpool in the last two days *shakes fist* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Odom Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 What a dull premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuryBlade Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Wow, 7 goals conceded all season... that's amazing! Those zero's are what it's all about Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RTHerringbone Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 You seem to have the measure of Chelsea now? Have you changed anything about how you play against them, as I know they were a bit of a bogey side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ackter Posted November 28, 2013 Author Share Posted November 28, 2013 They've changed formation - they no longer have Eden Hazard causing trouble for me. Man Utd have Pastore doing it now which is why they're the ones bogeying me. Chelsea have also just been bought out, with the new Romanian chairman threatening to replace Mourinho with Dan Petrescu, so here's hoping Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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