FM14 TACTIC - "THE FULCRUM" - Back to Back Promotions + Cup Win

[jimbob1000]

Seeing this all the time and I do not understand it when we are repeatedly assured that the game does not differentiate between human and AI?

How about this then?

[Mr U Rosler]

I'm not sure if an issue has actually been acknowledged by SI, they're understandably reluctant to admit that not all in the garden is rosy but it appears to be happening to everyone across all tactics judging by this forum and the main forum.

There is always the possibility of there being a massive silent majority who's strikers do not continually head over the bar from 1 foot, pass directly to the keeper when 1 on 1, take on that 35 yard long shot when there strike partner is in acres of space or repeatedly aim there shots at defenders legs which incidentally always rebound at 180 degrees, never glancing off 'said legs' and into the net.

Have i missed anything?

[jimbob1000]

I'm not sure if an issue has actually been acknowledged by SI, they're understandably reluctant to admit that not all in the garden is rosy but it appears to be happening to everyone across all tactics judging by this forum and the main forum.

There is always the possibility of there being a massive silent majority who's strikers do not continually head over the bar from 1 foot, pass directly to the keeper when 1 on 1, take on that 35 yard long shot when there strike partner is in acres of space or repeatedly aim there shots at defenders legs which incidentally always rebound at 180 degrees, never glancing off 'said legs' and into the net.

Have i missed anything?

Only that this has been going on for years, but instead of being fixed, in this FM its 10 times worse.

EVERY single chance i've had of going top of the table in my last two seasons have resulted in games such as this.

[Spartak Trigger]

I'm not sure if an issue has actually been acknowledged by SI, they're understandably reluctant to admit that not all in the garden is rosy but it appears to be happening to everyone across all tactics judging by this forum and the main forum.

There is always the possibility of there being a massive silent majority who's strikers do not continually head over the bar from 1 foot, pass directly to the keeper when 1 on 1, take on that 35 yard long shot when there strike partner is in acres of space or repeatedly aim there shots at defenders legs which incidentally always rebound at 180 degrees, never glancing off 'said legs' and into the net.

Have i missed anything?

My personal fav is having 5 defenders watch an attacker cut in from the corner of the box and not think to tackle him

[Mr U Rosler]

Attempting to break the world record for consecutive draws.........

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[CCman]

Attempting to break the world record for consecutive draws.........

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Yes this has been happening to me repeatedly. Except my scores are a bit higher 3-3, 4-4 and even a 5-5

[Mr U Rosler]

OK, that's better.

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[rGade]

Defending is a shambles in this game, I thought before it was this tactic which conceded a lot of goals, but I see other teams let in a hell of a lot more goals than me. With 50 goals conceded in 34 matches, I have the second lowest goals conceded in the league (Skrill North), AFC Telford have 44 goals conceded in 34 matches.

Most have 65-80 conceded in 34 games so far this season. I'm top of the league, so scoring plenty, but still... That amount of conceded goals is a joke. I simmed the first season, as I'm taking a newly promoted Skrill North team to the Premier League, and when I look back at last season where I didn't control any of the teams, the most conceded by a team, in 42 matches, was 62 goals, with the lowest being 35. I'm not sure what to make of this really...

[underkiller]

Rosler, are the match ratings broken? My central defender (Tomkins) get 5.5 almost every game, even if i loose or win. And i won 2-0 against arsenal home, and MOM had only 6.6.... do you have the same problems?

[Mr U Rosler]

Rosler, are the match ratings broken? My central defender (Tomkins) get 5.5 almost every game, even if i loose or win. And i won 2-0 against arsenal home, and MOM had only 6.6.... do you have the same problems?

Yeah, the match ratings are very low.

I normally have at least one person on 5.5, but not always the same person.

[markantony]

So far this season:

Leeds 0 2 Brighton

Leeds 17 Shots 8 on target Brighton 10 Sots 5 on target

Leeds 0-0 Oldham

Leeds 18-5 Oldham 7-3

Leeds 1-4 Leicester

Leeds 16-5 Leicester 17-6

Leeds 0-2 Sheff Wed

Leeds 23-6 Sheff Wed 5-3

Its a joke, to be honest.

[HSVen]

So far this season:

Leeds 0 2 Brighton

Leeds 17 Shots 8 on target Brighton 10 Sots 5 on target

Leeds 0-0 Oldham

Leeds 18-5 Oldham 7-3

Leeds 1-4 Leicester

Leeds 16-5 Leicester 17-6

Leeds 0-2 Sheff Wed

Leeds 23-6 Sheff Wed 5-3

Its a joke, to be honest.

Shots are a meaningless stat, just like possession. What counts are chances. What were the CCC and half chances for the games?

[CCman]

Yes i just had a game where i go up 0-2 and i am dominating when the computer and the final line:

Grimsby 4 - 2 Eastleigh (Me)

Shots: 17 - 20

On Target: 6 -10

CCC: 0 - 2

Possession: 44% - 56%

All normal until you try to figure out how they scored 4 goals...... well 3 of them were corner kicks and one was a cross ball from a FK.

I don't know what to do against CK to be honest as i have given up 17 goals from them and the next closest team is at 11.

[jamesh2k]

Is your match prep set to Def Set Pieces?

[jamesh2k]

The game has found a new of cheating, 3 pens in 1 match, all from corners.

[jimbob1000]

Hi Uwe, just wondered if you've tried changing the right hand striker from a false 9?

This position seems to be the tactics only weakness.

[Mr U Rosler]

Hi Uwe, just wondered if you've tried changing the right hand striker from a false 9?

This position seems to be the tactics only weakness.

Tried everything, all the amc positions, wide targetman, dual poachers. Nothing works. defensive forward was the only thing that seemed ok. As soon as you change the false 9 the poacher stops scoring.

Its not even worth trying under this ME, i look again when they update.

[Mr U Rosler]

Yes i just had a game where i go up 0-2 and i am dominating when the computer and the final line:

Grimsby 4 - 2 Eastleigh (Me)

Shots: 17 - 20

On Target: 6 -10

CCC: 0 - 2

Possession: 44% - 56%

All normal until you try to figure out how they scored 4 goals...... well 3 of them were corner kicks and one was a cross ball from a FK.

I don't know what to do against CK to be honest as i have given up 17 goals from them and the next closest team is at 11.

I've only conceded 2 goals from corners in 19 premier league games so its possible to deal with this.

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Make sure your match training is on defending set pieces, you can drop one of your strikers back into the box as breakaway goals are just not happening. Whoever tends to be the best in the air, poacher or f9, set therm to mark tall player (or if they are all small, set to mark small player).

[Mr U Rosler]

Out of interest, i've switched to 'extended' highlights instead of 'key', i find it much better overall, you can see how good the tactic actually is a creating chances (and how bad your strikers are at finishing them!). I find it a much more engaging experience.

[jimbob1000]

Tried everything, all the amc positions, wide targetman, dual poachers. Nothing works. defensive forward was the only thing that seemed ok. As soon as you change the false 9 the poacher stops scoring.

Its not even worth trying under this ME, i look again when they update.

Ok mate cheers, the kicker is BOTH my strikers have stopped scoring

I was in with a chance of winning the league, now it's all down to the last game of the season whether i finish in the top 7.

[Trents]

Update on my game. After promotion I've had 2 seasons in the Skrill Prem and finished 9th and 10th.

Not being able to sign anyone rated above decent for North/South is a real problem for me.

[Mr U Rosler]

Update on my game. After promotion I've had 2 seasons in the Skrill Prem and finished 9th and 10th.

Not being able to sign anyone rated above decent for North/South is a real problem for me.

Untick 'unrealistic' box in transfer centre. On the 1st June scout all players with contract expiring within 30 days with a value of between 5k and 30k. Some will join you. Negotiate hard.

[jamesh2k]

Giving away a stupid amount of pens of late, like 7 in 3 games (3 in one game), any ideas what im doing wrong?

Most of them come from set pieces

[ibro46]

what tactic is the latest one ?

[Mr U Rosler]

Giving away a stupid amount of pens of late, like 7 in 3 games (3 in one game), any ideas what im doing wrong?

Most of them come from set pieces

That's just weird. No one is set to hard tackling. The anchor is on easy.

Sometimes the games just got it in for you,

[Mr U Rosler]

what tactic is the latest one ?

1st post. That link. You can add 'pass into space' to team instructions if you like to play a little more direct.

[Aleynasdad]

I went away and came back again....

Tried a couple of other tactics (although I was generally happy with this one) because I really want wingers to work in FM despite the evidence. Unfortunately this seems to be the tightest and most reliable of tactics so Im now joining the Uwebus on my first big career save Skrill South to Champions League or death!

[Mr U Rosler]

I went away and came back again....

Tried a couple of other tactics (although I was generally happy with this one) because I really want wingers to work in FM despite the evidence. Unfortunately this seems to be the tightest and most reliable of tactics so Im now joining the Uwebus on my first big career save Skrill South to Champions League or death!

Good man, club reputation will be your biggest issue. If you go with Dover it will be easier.

I'm hoping this is something else that gets fixed.

[Aleynasdad]

Nope going the hard way with the Hawks!

This bug is an issue but Im wondering if there is method in the madness. The development of the Ingame editor has changed the rules somewhat. Perhaps the idea is if you want a really tough tough game just play it and never ever expect to get constant promotions (after all its impossible in real life). Alternatively, you can tweak your rep with the in-game editor (something you previously couldnt do without stepping out of the SI sandbox).

You may of course, say well thats not right.... what about the poor guys who dont buy the in-game... to which soempeople may say 'what do those guys do when they cant power up the next level of Candy Crush?'

Just a thought....

[dking]

Which do you think is better; Star ratings for positions or actual stats for that position?

For instance, I have Kolo who's star rating is high for cb and not so high for fb, but his stats suggest otherwise.

[Mr U Rosler]

Which do you think is better; Star ratings for positions or actual stats for that position?

For instance, I have Kolo who's star rating is high for cb and not so high for fb, but his stats suggest otherwise.

I go with stats, but train him for that position if it's not natural.

[oafcmetty]

Any thoughts on key keeper skills, or are they not that important?

[erik86]

Tried lots of different things for Liverpool but could not get any strikers scoring. Lost 4-5 games in a row.

[Mr U Rosler]

Any thoughts on key keeper skills, or are they not that important?

We dont use a sweeper keeper so for this position i'll just use star ratings, but keep an eye on distribution (kicking, throwing).

[Mr U Rosler]

Tried lots of different things for Liverpool but could not get any strikers scoring. Lost 4-5 games in a row.

Not much to go on here, if its your first season you will need at least 10 pre-season games, full match training on tactics to start to get familiar with it. Even then it might be november or decemeber before its fully fluid. No tactic will work properly until fully fluid.

2nd season onwards you should be fully fluid by mid september

[oafcmetty]

Hmm - just trying to import the tactic and getting the message "this file could not be imported". Any chance the upload could be corrupted?

[Mr U Rosler]

Hmm - just trying to import the tactic and getting the message "this file could not be imported". Any chance the upload could be corrupted?

No, i think there are 2 fm14 folder branches, try the other one.

There's advice somewhere in the thread about this but i'm at work so i cant go digging for it!

[Trents]

The shots to goals ratio is annoying. For me it's around 15 shots/goal that I need whereas for the oppo it's more like 5 shots/goal.

[oafcmetty]

No, i think there are 2 fm14 folder branches, try the other one.

There's advice somewhere in the thread about this but i'm at work so i cant go digging for it!

Hmm nothing suggested seems to work, and I've tried a few things.

Can someone else please try downloading it and importing, and see if it works?

[Trents]

Nah, gonna try something different. I finished 10th again. Looking over the season, I had more shots in every league match bar 3 and higher possession in most too.

[oafcmetty]

All sorted - I'm an idiot. Will let you know how it goes - just been appointed manager of Real Madrid C.

[Seftinho]

Been a bit mixed so far, drawn nearly 50% of my matches. Started slow (as expected I guess, due to the lack of fluidity), then found a bit of form (still drawing loads but won a few) but then lost our last two. Currently 5-8-5 and sit 17th after 18 games. Not great.

My question is - what are your thoughts on changing the CM roles? I have three particularly creative midfielders who are great at creating chances. None of them are really ideal for the B2B role and are not particularly great defensively - which I feel is what is causing our midfield to often become over-run. My anchorman is ideal for the B2B role (which he plays IRL and, although inconsistent, on his day can storm through any team)... so I'm wondering how a midfield three of APM-B2B-APM would fare compared to B2B-APM-B2B?

Also how much match training do you have once you have full fluidity? I've switched to one day before the match (middle bar).

[Mr U Rosler]

Yeah, it's tricky when you don't have the right players for the roles. APM B2B APM would leave you very open, I think you would concede a lot. The issue with this tactic under this ME is not creating chances, it's finishing them.

Your right about the dm/anchor, they can often double up as B2B.

Once I'm fully fluid I move match training bar till it's only 1 notch from the right. I.e minimal and set to defending set pieces. Hope this helps.

[Mr U Rosler]

Greetings all,

So it looks like we are stuck with the cruel mistress which is 14.1.3 until the middle of next week at the earliest.

So be prepared to watch opposing centre backs score 35 yard volleys with their weaker foot whilst your world class striker misses open goals. You will have last minute penalties awarded against you and every corner will fill you with terror.

This appears to be an issue across all tactics, if that is not the case i would like someone to upload said tactic so we can all have a go.

I have a few ideas for 'cracking' 14.1.3 which i will work on tonight and if successful rush out, but i'm not holding my breath.

In the meantime get that tactic fluid as fast as possible, recruit for specific roles and most of all hang on in there.

I've had back to back promotions, finished 12th in my first premier league season and are 7th in my second all under this match engine. I dont do anything you dont do.

I've had bad runs in that time, including 10 games without a win this season, but I recovered to 7th so HANG ON IN THERE!

I think when the ME is updated this tactic or a version of it will really kick on.

Thank you for reading

[Aleynasdad]

Evening all!

Seven games into the season with the Hawks and Im not sure what the worry is! Were three points clear with an average of 18-4 and we were expected to finish 10th. I played 8 friendlies against smaller opposition and only the first game ( a 0-0 draw against maidenhead at home) was a bit a damp squib. Since then weve been flying!

this is the only tactic Ive tried that needed minimal bedding in.

[Pipoli]

I will give it a shot and feed back to you later.

I have some suggestions for the 'many chances - no goals' 'strikers not scoring'. I remember back in FM08/FM09 this was very critical as well. It was known as the 'over the bar' bug. I don't know how it ultimately got solved, but I remember reading a post from someone from SI back then who gave the suggestion: "try not to play too offensively. people tend to make very offensive/aggressive/quick tactics because they crave for a massacre in the field, even though it is not realistic."

So, in summary, what was the solution for me back then: reduce mentality a bit, slower tempo, shorter passing, work ball into box should help with that. Plays will happen in a more balanced, realistic manner. Also, forbid every player to take long shots. In general, they are the main responsible for the huge amount of chances which make people believe their team is playing very well. With time, allow one or 2 specialists to take long shots. With all this, the ME will interpret the fewer chances you get as 'clearer' or 'better'. Also, more balls will arrive to the strikers, if the midfielders stop kicking every ball from outside the box.

Hope this gives you some ideas. And I hope your tactics works fine with me. I have been suffering with many alternatives I have tried so far. Loved your posts. Congratulations on the good work.

[Mr U Rosler]

I will give it a shot and feed back to you later.

I have some suggestions for the 'many chances - no goals' 'strikers not scoring'. I remember back in FM08/FM09 this was very critical as well. It was known as the 'over the bar' bug. I don't know how it ultimately got solved, but I remember reading a post from someone from SI back then who gave the suggestion: "try not to play too offensively. people tend to make very offensive/aggressive/quick tactics because they crave for a massacre in the field, even though it is not realistic."

So, in summary, what was the solution for me back then: reduce mentality a bit, slower tempo, shorter passing, work ball into box should help with that. Plays will happen in a more balanced, realistic manner. Also, forbid every player to take long shots. In general, they are the main responsible for the huge amount of chances which make people believe their team is playing very well. With time, allow one or 2 specialists to take long shots. With all this, the ME will interpret the fewer chances you get as 'clearer' or 'better'. Also, more balls will arrive to the strikers, if the midfielders stop kicking every ball from outside the box.

Hope this gives you some ideas. And I hope your tactics works fine with me. I have been suffering with many alternatives I have tried so far. Loved your posts. Congratulations on the good work.

Thanks for your thoughts.

If you want to ruin the tactic in an instant add 'work ball into the box'. It's horrendous.

Its a pretty patient tactic with short passing and a slow tempo already.

The original tactic does not include the 'pass into space' team instruction. I've been using it for a couple of seasons as I like a slightly more direct element to the play, but its purely optional.

Good luck.

[dking]

The reason this tactic doesn't get forwards scoring is because it's a slow tempo tactic and the ME can't handle that (countless long shots/lack of through balls), so working the ball into the box would make it even worse.

How has passing into space worked out for you, Rosler?

[jamesh2k]

Can i ask when you get the scout report on next opposition and it recommends a different match prep for example, attacking movement. Do you apply this? or just keep this on def set pieces

[Mr U Rosler]

The reason this tactic doesn't get forwards scoring is because it's a slow tempo tactic and the ME can't handle that (countless long shots/lack of through balls), so working the ball into the box would make it even worse.

How has passing into space worked out for you, Rosler?

My strikers are scoring at around a goal every other game (both of them), that's not actually that bad.

The problems arise when you have a slow build up, there are lots of bodies in the box and loads of your shots hit defenders, sometimes 3 or 4 times in a row. Now you could play at a higher tempo but then you would give the ball away in dangerous positions and have less possession. Passing into space allows a few more direct attacks whilst still winning the possession battle.