screwy Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 can someone tell me how to score please ? or is they a bug that says when you take over your favourite team the games not letting you score not even from a penalty missed 8 pens on trot getting beat all time despite dominating everygame is this a bug cause watched full game opposition keeper worldclass with crap stats starting do get bored with game now i know it shouldnt be easy but this takein the **** now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 You said exactly the same thing about FM12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwy Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 yes i know but got use to that but after 5 months this game still same defenders dont tackle midfield just walks and strikers carnt score seems lower the stats more world class players are but i think everybody as moaned about fm13 as just full of bugs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cougar2010 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 yes i know but got use to that but after 5 months this game still same defenders dont tackle midfield just walks and strikers carnt score seems lower the stats more world class players are but i think everybody as moaned about fm13 as just full of bugs Have you ever considered that your tactics and orders are responsible for some of your issues? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
interesti88 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I've stopped playing FM13 altogether, went back to FM12 where I have a cracker of a save going at the moment, I do feel like this will be my last FM purchase as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shocco Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I went back to fm12 but the annoying thing is the morale, 1 defeat and my team goes to ****. I think FM is more frustrating than fun these days, players don't do what I ask; tactics have no input etc probably be my last too, shame because I used to love FM I remember waking up early just to play it and staying up until 3 in the morning planning my summer transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ranfile Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 one tips, you will likely to get goals from wingers... so sign a good one. I played terrible when my wingers get injured... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric1000 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I've stopped playing FM13 altogether, went back to FM12 where I have a cracker of a save going at the moment, I do feel like this will be my last FM purchase as well. You're not alone mate. I really like a lot of what has been implemented with FM13 but the fun factor has decreased significantly since FM12. I honestly think that the new ME is the main culprit as it simply doesn't flow properly and isn't fun to watch. Couple that with the fact that the game is also way slower than FM12 when it comes to processing and rather than a game we have a cure for insomnia. Here's hoping that the upcoming patch fixes the ME at least although I don't hold out a lot of hope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tigerhgrrrrrr Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 You're not alone mate. I really like a lot of what has been implemented with FM13 but the fun factor has decreased significantly since FM12. I honestly think that the new ME is the main culprit as it simply doesn't flow properly and isn't fun to watch. Couple that with the fact that the game is also way slower than FM12 when it comes to processing and rather than a game we have a cure for insomnia. Here's hoping that the upcoming patch fixes the ME at least although I don't hold out a lot of hope. This sums it up perfectly for me. Im actually playing CM0102, I hoped FMC would kill CM0102 for me - I want to play FM13, but it just highlighted what was fun and what was frustration.Thread will be closed soon no doubt but should be stickied as this is not a rant, it is a fair comment (eric's post, not necessarily the OP) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpug Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Well the ME is pretty terrible and puts me off plus you never know when a patch is coming and if it will be the last one or the one to make it more enjoyable so you kinda just wait and wait for a patch then it comes and the ME is still bad, sometimes previous patches just made it worse so for me FM13 doesn't even count it's like the game is an open beta for the ME which in my opinion will be months before it's playable so yeah, FM13 is an open beta and I hope to god FM14 is nothing like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariko Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think they'll do enough with the next game to give it those extra frills that'll make us keep coming back, its the4 scale of the game that makes it so great and they'll just keep adding stuff to make it grander I hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
krisco1978 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I would have to say this is the worst FM of recent years.........the ME updates have made the game unplayable Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingpug Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I would have to say this is the worst FM of recent years.........the ME updates have made the game unplayable Aye they dropped the ball on this one, no idea why they took such a massive gamble and released an ME in the state it was and currently is in, surely it makes sense to develop it in studio and give it a proper test before adding it into the next installment of FM and I hate to think how much testing it got considering the sorry state it was in, it's kinda like Windows releasing an operating system they gambled on and barely tested, to me it's a massive mistake and very amateurish from SI. As I said the game feels like a beta because of the ME, everything else is pretty much sorted except the main bit, I'd still love to know why they put this ME in FM13 and didn't develop it further first. You develop something then release it yet SI seemed to have adopted the opposite strategy where they release it then develop it, I'll still buy FM14 regardless and hope they won't make the same mistake twice. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DizzyPenguin Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 I think FM should be like music albums - released only when they're happy with the final product. Releasing a new game like clockwork every year puts pressure on the developers and we've seen in recent versions they are clearly unfinished products being released on to the shelves. Many people have said they wait until the January patch before even buying it, because these days it's always unfinished. If SI give themselves more time and actually dedicate themselves to making the next release better than the last, they should really not give themselves a yearly deadline each time and instead release as and when the game meets the very high standards both they and us the players seem to command. Obviously, this will never happen because people, even the moaners, still buy it every year so it would make no business sense to release the game less often. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubos Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 This year's football manager is a joke. Granted, I only played 13.2.2 cause I only got the game recently and I am not sure how it was previously, but the match engine is horrendous. Utter trash of a game, I have only played this game for less than a week and I want to sell it, but I can't cause it's tied to my Steam account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Another "feedback" thread, wonderful, i look forward to reading all the new opinions and ideas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
screwy Posted January 31, 2013 Author Share Posted January 31, 2013 so the game is flawed then and si know this and do nothing about this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 @milnerpoint Why do you read and then post in them ALL if you don't like them? You love the game, fantasic we're all happy for you but many don't and want to have a moan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Its worse than you think, they actually make a perfect game, then intentionally release a bugged version for us, just so they can fix it and we all love them a bit more. The whole thing is just a conspiricy guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 In before lock. so the game is flawed then and si know this and do nothing about this Not done anything about it? You've clearly missed this list, and this is only ME updates, nothing to do with the rest of the game. Match v1302----------- - Fixed bug where keeper would not prevent team mate's poor control from becoming an own goal - Fixed one more example of keeper not controlling a backpass - Fixed players kicking off not always facing correct direction at start of 2nd half - Fixed AI teams not always setting one central midfielder to a defensive duty - Improved marking of player running with ball - Some ball physics collision fixes including the "hole in the net" - Reduced shots from tight angles Match v1303 ----------- - Fixed players going for the same ball and both avoiding each other leaving ball loose - Improved keepers at point blank range slightly - Improved keeper judgement coming for ball or making save - Improved angle of non held keeper save - More last ditch challenges/interceptions in danger area - Improved defender positioning in own area - Improved player reactions to loose ball - Made players in space more likely to try to turn to face opposition goal when on ball - Increased use of high risk high reward passes in dangerous areas - Fine tuned general pass choice - Fixed unrealistic clearances towards own goal Match v1304 ----------- - Midfields shifting across slightly more when defending - Tweak to defensive reactions - Reduced potential instances of wild clearances behind own goal - Toned down some risky passes slightly from 1303 Match v1305 ----------- - Fix to stop "ghost" goals ( where ball goes in net and no goal awarded ) Match v1306 ----------- - Further fix to ghost goals Match v1307 ----------- - And another fix to ghost goals Match v1308 ----------- - Temporarily disabled fix for "ghost" goals as its a bit troublesome and we have no time just now - Fixed keeper coming to punch ball and then diverting to avoid a collision and hence missing ball completely - Fixed some instances of keepers saving ball prematurely and getting little purchase on save - Fixed 3 bugs causing keepers not to attempt saves when they should do - Fixed keepers making risky quick throws or passes to team mates - Further fix for defending crosses - Slight tweak to speed of longer passes - Fixed wrong team getting throw/corner/goal kick after tackle sends ball out of play - Toned down long shots taken on weak foot slightly Match v1309 ( Beta Update & Demo ) ----------- - Sorted out problem with "ghost goal" fix and re-activated it - Fixed keepers trying to come out and intercept dribbled ball they have no chance of - Tweaked direct free kicks - Tweaked headers slightly Match v1310 ----------- - Improved player reactions to ball in general - More fixes to general keeper issues - Small tweak to pressing speed - Small tweak to range of D-line depth - Small reduction in boring passes by limited players - Defenders now drop back at goal kicks when instructed to collect from keeper Match v1311 ( release day ) ----------- - Fixed keeper fumbling ball on own line for no reason - Fixed 2 other small keeper anomalies Match v1312 ( release day hotfix! ) ----------- - Fixed bug where players still think its a free kick after kick is already taken Match v1313 ----------- - Refined position of d-line and also the lines in front of it when defending - Brought wingers a bit deeper when defending - Weaker players more likely to favour direct passes quicker - Improved short pass accuracy slightly - Tried to increase number of crosses slightly - Fine tuned shot accuracy - Fixed some minor player on ball decision bugs - Improved trajectory of medium length kicks like free kick shots and corners - Made players better at offering out ball to team mate - Tried to improve player reactions to deflected balls or tackles - Made players more willing to slide tackle when opportunity and need arises - Fixed some unnatural save directions from keepers - Fixed keepers trying to save ball at wrong point when its heading for post or bar - Made players slightly better at turning body while on the run - Made strongest player stand ground when 2 players collide while going for a header - Made goal celebration paths a little bit more varied - Fixed comms saying ball well wide when not really that far wide - Some ball physics collision tweaks - Some team talk fixes Match v1314 ----------- - Further tuned team shape and d-line position when defending - AM strata now comes back to defend unless set to "all out attack" - Made d-line shift up when opposing player with ball is successfully pressed - Made d-line shift back quicker when attacking player is running with pace at them with the ball - Some tweaks to marking of opponents in own area - Fixed defenders shifting across as full back engages winger in last third causing bad shape - Tried to reduce instances of players heading ball they could control a split second later - Some minor fixes relating to player interception of ball - Some refinements to off ball movement around ball player - Some general tweaks to pass choice and on ball decision making - Some more minor keeper save fixes - Fixed some instances of woodwork hit not being registered - Fixed player not waiting to getup before running off to celebrate after scoring a diving header Match v1315 ----------- - Fixed ultra rare crash when player shoots from close range - Further small refinements to on ball decisions and pass choice - Improved direct free kick trajectory slightly - Improved crossing aim AI - Fine tuned pass and shot accuracy slightly - Improved player reaction and awareness of ball generally - Improved defensive tracking of player running with ball - Slight reduction of player reaction time to fast curling balls - Slight reduction of player reaction time when ball a long way away from them especially if not facing it - Improved defender lateral positioning when defending wide ball - Fixed winger not staying wide when asked to hug touchline and ball on his side in advanced position - Goalkeeper should narrow the angle better when a play is running at him at speed - Goalkeepers should try to move under the ball path even if they think they can't reach it. - Fixed a bug where the keeper fails to catch a ball if it has just hit the crossbar/post - Fixed keeper turning ball over bar described as turning it round post - Fixed some player collision avoidance issues - Fixed a bug where an offside is given instead of a free kick for a foul - Stop a rare teleport bug with goal celebrations - Fixed animation issues whilst player argues with ref - Fixed small anomaly in team selection AI Match v1316 ----------- - Fixed bug causing players to occasionally react too late to pass - Improved pressing of opponents slightly - Made players more willing to go for a riskier interception if ball receiver is in a goalscoring position - Tweaked keeper positioning when facing down attacker - Reduced pointless passing slightly - Fine tuned chance of speculative passes slightly - Refine kick innaccuracy algorithm slightly Match v1317 ----------- - Fixed defenders not turning quick enough when tracking player running onto through ball - Reduced likelyhood of players making pass when in clear cut shooting position Match v1318 ( 13.1 ME hotfix ) ----------- - Fixed keepers not reacting to powerful close range shots Match v1319 ----------- - More improvements to on ball decision making and pass choice - Improved central midfielder starting position when team is in possession - Tweaked midfielder and attacker positions when team is defending - Fixed a couple of bugs causing players to fail to turn to face required direction properly - Improved facing direction of player marking opponent who is moving onto a pass - Fixed bug allowing players being able to partially "go through" other players to get ball without being penalised - Small tweaks to improve the way players move onto passes or loose balls - Reduced some instances of closing down of keeper when clearly illogical in context of player and his instructions - Cleaned up a few bugs that delayed retrieval of ball at set pieces or kick offs Match v1320 ----------- - A bunch of ball physics fixes mainly related to collisions and ball spin after bounce - Reduced slightly unrealistic ball to player deflections - More improvements to pass choice AI - Tweaks to run with ball and first touch AI - Reduced tackles that end in own goals - Some tweaks to basic central midfielder positions - Fixed some dodgy marking at mid pitch free kicks - Improved full back positioning when waiting for short keeper distribution - Improved near and far post corner aim point Match v1321 ----------- - Some further ball physics fixes and refinements - Fixed goal not always given if ball stops just over goal line - Fixed some rare instances of player collision avoidance failing - Further refinements to pass AI - Improved pass, shot or header accuracy logic - Further improvements to player reactions to the ball - Fixed defences staying to deep just after corner taken - Refined player positioning when defending free kicks from wide - Made players press more collectively and aggressively when required - Improved positioning of defenders against attackers running at pace - Refined tackling AI a bit - Improved facing direction while marking opponent around own area - Fixed some more keeper AI bugs Match v1322 ----------- - Improved collision avoidance AI slightly - Fine tuned ball trajectory chosen by player for kick, header etc - Fine tuned kick and header accuracy logic - Fine tuned pass and general on ball AI - Tuned long shot frequency and AI - Toned down pressing slightly in certain situations - Improved marking and engagement of ball player in wide areas - Tuned tackling AI further - Couple of small fixes to player reactions - Fixed some small player pathing anomalies - Fixed a couple of goalkeeper AI anomalies Match v1323 ----------- - Improved marking and engagement of ball player further - Fixed some instances of risky keeper distribution Match v1324 13.2 ----------- - Reverted one change from 1323 that was causing defensive issues - Fine tuned kick/header accuracy Match v1325 13.2.1 ----------- - Further refined 1323 code for engagement of ball player - Toned down speed players can run with ball a little - Slight toning down of run with ball probability - Fine tuned kick and header accuracy a little further Match v1326 ----------- - Tuned dribbling generally - Fixed issue that counted too many dubious instances of running past opponent - Toned down poor decision long shots - Fixed some instances of short underhit passes - Made keepers more aggressive in meeting short backpasses - Slight improvement to defender positioning for short goal kicks - Fixed bug that could cause players to try to clear ball from in front of own goal instead of scooping it clear Match v1327 ----------- - Improved last ditch tackling and engaging of ball close to own goal - Slightly reduced defender reactions at lower levels - Improved engagement of ball player to reduce effectiveness of running with ball - Fixed some instances where defenders dont engage ball player around own area until its too late - Further tuned kick and header accuracy - Reduced aimless passes into channel from high up pitch - Fixed rare instances of dead ball not being delivered correctly into opposing area Match v1328 ----------- - Further tweaked defending against ball player - Fine tuned run past opponent counts slightly further - Made dribbling slightly harder to achieve at higher speeds - Made most players a favour more direct passes slightly - Small fix to player reactions to loose balls Match v1329 ----------- - Made defenders more aggressive in terms of looking to tackle ball player - Fixed players with low closing down settings doing it so high up the pitch - Fixed players set to specifically man mark opponent from leaving him too eagerly to engage ball player - Small fix to specific man marking when opponent goes close to opposition d-line - Fixed some interceptions being logged as tackles - Fixed some instances of players playing opposition onside when defending free kicks - Fixed some more instances of players not reacting to loose balls - Fixed corner phase of play not ending when ball cleared way outside area, causing some bizarre knock ons - Fixed rare occurance of play not restarting after a goal Match v1330 ----------- - Fixed player not trying to turn and shoot when close to goal - Fixed rare instances of unrealistically innacurate kicks and passes - Fixed some further issues with players closing down or not closing down properly - Fixed some headers being unrealistically unchallenged due to collision avoidance code - Fixed too many unrealistically weak penalty kicks - Fixed some instances of unrealistically poor first touch - Fixed players getting stuck in nets when retrieving ball - Fixed rare issue causing keepers not to pick up routine ball near edge of own area - Reduced crowding of players going for same ball on some crosses/corners - Fixed assigned throw in takers not always being used for throws in attacking areas Match v1331 ----------- - Further refinements to closing down and engagement of the ball player - Some fine tuning of the weighting of short passes - Made wide midfielders pay a bit more attention to opposition full backs - One minor ball physics related fix Match v1332 ----------- - Fixed unrealistic dallying on ball - Less aimless clearances upfield when not under pressure - Couple more tweaks to closing down logic - Fixed bug where keeper fumbles ball then doesnt react properly - Reduced risky passes across defence line - Fix for ball passing through net occasionally Match v1333 ----------- - Couple more small tweaks to closing down logic - Further improved wide midfielder tracking of full backs - Fixed goal kicks not being taken short - Fixed quick free kicks rarely being taken - Fixed bug where keeper moves a long distance to retrieve ball at free kick and is caught out of position when its taken quickly - Fixed bug where keepers dont always try to dive at attackers' feet - Fixed players dropping too deep on some free kicks - Fixed a couple of bugs causing keepers not to intercept speculative balls properly - Fixed a couple of bugs causing players not to react to loose balls or passes correctly - Fixed bug causing player not to attempt jump for ball that he cannot quite reach - Tweak to off ball movement - Slightly encouraged high reward lofted passes - Made players who have just done a burst of running more prone to miscontrol - Fixed bug where player may over-run ball unneccesarily - Slight toning down on accuracy of more difficult kicks - Further fix for incorrect players taking attacking throw ins - Team talk fix relating to overfamiliarity with manager talk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyzer Soze Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Its worse than you think, they actually make a perfect game, then intentionally release a bugged version for us, just so they can fix it and we all love them a bit more. The whole thing is just a conspiricy guys. There are people in this forum that already believe in that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
milnerpoint Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 There are people in this forum that already believe in that! The really sad thing is, your correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dazbowski Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Nobody believes that. You just want to think that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubos Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Not done anything about it? You've clearly missed this list, and this is only ME updates, nothing to do with the rest of the game. It's poor that some of those things were blatant and yet not picked up during testing and had to be patched only after the game was released. Maybe I am being harsh on the game but I have higher expectations as I always enjoyed the previous versions of FM and this year, I want to get rid of it after less than a week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 can someone tell me how to score please ? or is they a bug that says when you take over your favourite team the games not letting you score not even from a penalty missed 8 pens on trot getting beat all time despite dominating everygame is this a bug cause watched full game opposition keeper worldclass with crap stats starting do get bored with game now i know it shouldnt be easy but this takein the **** now This guy/girl's English teacher is banging his/her head against a wall right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyzer Soze Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 This guy/girl's English teacher is banging his/her head against a wall right now. Perhaps english is not his native language... so... give the guy a little break. I can relate to that, because english is not my native language also (i'm portuguese) and i think it's a little bad when people criticize me about my writting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FMtillidie Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 my fm13's disappeared from my steam account randomly and i've had lots of problems with this game, but i'll still buy the new one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fmFutbolManager Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 It's poor that some of those things were blatant and yet not picked up during testing and had to be patched only after the game was released.Maybe I am being harsh on the game but I have higher expectations as I always enjoyed the previous versions of FM and this year, I want to get rid of it after less than a week. I don't think that our expectations differ. I was countering the claim that SI do nothing about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cynet Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 yes i know but got use to that but after 5 months this game still same defenders dont tackle midfield just walks and strikers carnt score seems lower the stats more world class players are but i think everybody as moaned about fm13 as just full of bugs Sigh! Shame you dont put as much effort in your complaining than you do playing the game then you might have achieved something by now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenco Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Perhaps english is not his native language... so... give the guy a little break.I can relate to that, because english is not my native language also (i'm portuguese) and i think it's a little bad when people criticize me about my writting. At least you use full stops and commas which makes for easier reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriss Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Another day, another regurgitation thread, what happened to originality? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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