jimi m

Why is this player rated so highly?

53 posts in this topic

I signed a player 3 seasons ago on a free, hes only 19 and hes made the world team of the year and his attributes arent great. Im just baffled at how the game makes him so good and why teams like Barca were going to offer 25 million for him.

http://imageshack.us/f/715/gustavoprofileattribute.png/

i dont really know if that screenshot works never put one up before.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He has great pace, crossing and good work rate with team work as well would make him perform pretty well. He is worth £9 million so just under three times his value is not that crazy.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

easy,

1) he plays in a position that superb players are few in the game

2) his physical stats are WOW!

3) some mental attributes are also very high especially for his age

4) his age makes them believe that he will become better

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yes but his mental attributes are poor and for a winger his dribbling is bad aswell i cant see the big fuss about him an why hes performing so well.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

his mental are poor? you know that they are the only attributes guaranteed to go UP as the years pass huh?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yes i know this but i have plenty more players whos mental attributes are way beyond his and are in the same age group as him. This guy is going around like messi in my game everyone is after him and if you look hes nowhere near messi or any great player.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
yes but his mental attributes are poor and for a winger his dribbling is bad aswell i cant see the big fuss about him an why hes performing so well.

His technique is good as well and with that sort of pace(and agility and acceleration) he will just cause problems to any defender.. pace is still very important in the match engine.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He is performing well but 7.3 with 4 goals and 7 assists is not that great.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

for the wage he asks I would sign him with no second thought. the POSITION is all that matters. find in your game 5 better players than him if you can ;)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

He's pretty well the ideal WB, has the physical stats to get up and down the pitch for 90 mins and the ability to put in a quality ball when he gets in the final third

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I always have trouble finding a good DR/DL/WR/WL.... it is very weird...

if you are still curious use genie scout and check his CA and PA

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Those attributes on a player who can use both feet is rather impressive.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

alright thanks people,, how do i use genie scout??

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

you need to google it, download it (pay attention to the version), run it and if you have more questions, post here

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I reckon his CA is around the 155 mark.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
you need to google it, download it (pay attention to the version), run it and if you have more questions, post here

alright il do that thanks,

His report says he is going to be better than gareth bale, hope he will be.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I would guess his CA is at around 135-145 and his PA at around 165-175

let us know!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

His right foot must be around the 12-14 mark then?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
It says his CA is 165 and his PA is 178

a lot better than I thought then! if you are not familiar with the CA and PA just imagine that TOP CLASS messi-like players are at 180-200 CA. 160+ CA is considered an amazing, yet not the best player

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

yeah is right foot is 13, yeah i suppose he must be a good player so.. thanks for the help

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

160 is a first team player at a top, top club.

180 is a key player.

Best way of looking at it.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Makes me think the Templates for wingers could be better CA 165 should mean his a regular starter for a mid-table side in a top league. This guy is runs into blind allies he cant get out of.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Just don't get too wrapped up in PA and CA. I have had a striker score 26 in 28 games in the EPL and Champions League who had a PA and CA of no higher than 130. I also had a player with a CA of 160 get crowned best player at Champions Leagues beating Messi and Ronaldo also claiming fans player of the year ahead of Tevez, Dzeko and Sergio Aguero.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CA and PA are just indications of the ability, the best rating is what counts

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CA is also the only metric used to make sure the standard of players remains broadly the same as regens are created. With the attributes that guy has got I don't think his going to be able to get the same match ratings as researched players of about the same CA. The only upside is that his still young and with good coaching the OP should be able to get his dribbling, passing and off the ball into double figures and make him more useful.

I also think the spread of his attributes looks a bit odd I cant think off the top of my head of a winger with great pace who is a poor dribbler and finisher but a great crosser. Can you?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

hes like aaron lennon but is able to cross but cant dribble, i dont really mind if a player like that can get into the world 11 at the age of 19 their must be something good about him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The fact he is good with both feet will play in his favour, and with that pace he can be devastating.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I never look at rating when a player does not play for me. That guy is only 19 and can become a leading PL/BBVA/Serie A player, plus he is already a good player in those leagues. That is the only thing that counts for the AI managers. They do not look at attributes at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I never look at rating when a player does not play for me. That guy is only 19 and can become a leading PL/BBVA/Serie A player, plus he is already a good player in those leagues. That is the only thing that counts for the AI managers. They do not look at attributes at all.

lol, of course they do

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I never look at rating when a player does not play for me. That guy is only 19 and can become a leading PL/BBVA/Serie A player, plus he is already a good player in those leagues. That is the only thing that counts for the AI managers. They do not look at attributes at all.

Where is the proof of this? I have seen the AI sign rubbish players because of amazing form.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Where is the proof of this? I have seen the AI sign rubbish players because of amazing form.

I said - I - never look at rating when I sign players. Not that the AI don't. And then I said that the AI do not look at attributes. Player attributes. They sign 150cm world class defenders with 3 in jumping, 3 in strength and whatever. They do not look at attributes. At all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I said - I - never look at rating when I sign players. Not that the AI don't. And then I said that the AI do not look at attributes. Player attributes. They sign 150cm world class defenders with 3 in jumping, 3 in strength and whatever. They do not look at attributes. At all.

who exactly are you that you are absolute in your opinion about what AI does and does not? maybe you are THE AI ??? chill out. of course they do! it is only normal

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

They look mostly at CA and reputation when signing players.

Sure they sign players with good form even if they are not that great as milner said but they normally end up on their reserves.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I said - I - never look at rating when I sign players. Not that the AI don't. And then I said that the AI do not look at attributes. Player attributes. They sign 150cm world class defenders with 3 in jumping, 3 in strength and whatever. They do not look at attributes. At all.

sorry i mis-read your post, your right the AI doesnt look directly at attributes, it looks at reputation, form and a form of CA/PA like we see.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
who exactly are you that you are absolute in your opinion about what AI does and does not? maybe you are THE AI ??? chill out. of course they do! it is only normal

In the real world, sure. In FM nope. It IS only normal (or logical, which I would say) but FM is a computer game - it is not always logical. You would think that the AI managers wants to increase pace if they have a slow team, or increase work rate if they have a lazy team and struggle because of that. That is how we human managers think. However, I have seen so many so-called quality signings being recommended to me and signed by my opponents even though they have rubbish attributes, that it is blindingly obvious that the AI don't look at them at all.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Two letters:

P A

The AI can "see" this guy's PA and I assume it's pretty high, so regardless of his actual current ability or form, FM will perceive the player as a potential worldclass winger.

Actually he's quite good for his age, and the physical attributes will make him even better, mitigating the mental shortcomings.

His value is fair, and an offer of 18-20M doesn't sound too far-fetched IMO.

I've seen much much worse players attracting interest from top clubs... and I mean really awful players... just because their PA was like 160, despite their CA being 100 with horribly uneven attributes and zero chances of ever turning into something useful at a top level.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

A hard working wide player who's lightning quick and good at crossing? I'll take him.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
A hard working wide player who's lightning quick and good at crossing? I'll take him.

Not if i can offer 20 mil before you get wind of it and offer him 3 times his wage :D

Then you will probably go on to sign the highly touted english central defender ive been so desperate to get at my club ;)

damn club reputation, or lack of...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

his pace and acceleration are on 20 now and i told him to kick the ball past oppenents when taking them on is working to a devastating affect,, yeehaw

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Two letters:

P A

The AI can "see" this guy's PA and I assume it's pretty high, so regardless of his actual current ability or form, FM will perceive the player as a potential worldclass winger.

Actually he's quite good for his age, and the physical attributes will make him even better, mitigating the mental shortcomings.

His value is fair, and an offer of 18-20M doesn't sound too far-fetched IMO.

I've seen much much worse players attracting interest from top clubs... and I mean really awful players... just because their PA was like 160, despite their CA being 100 with horribly uneven attributes and zero chances of ever turning into something useful at a top level.

+1

I saw Arsenal buy a keeper and use him as their 1st choice on FM2010.. and trust me he had the attributes to be a mediocre player.. in League 2 or BSP.. I think he had like 4-5 attributes over 10 in goalkeeping.. It was a joke.. and he played like 100 first team matches for them! - sadly didnt check his ca/pa.. but I'll bet it was around 80/90 CA ad 180-200 PA

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The AI uses the exact same code as our scouts and staff do when looking at players - you have access to the exact same info as the AI does.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

tbh this is one of the best 19 year old wingbacks I've ever seen.. he may not have many 18+ attributes, but his attributes are very very very well balanced!

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
The AI uses the exact same code as our scouts and staff do when looking at players - you have access to the exact same info as the AI does.

Not much use that, when they don't use that info like we do? I'd just wish that the AI built their teams with some coherent logic. For example Target Man + Poacher up front, Plamaker + Ball Winning Midfielder duo in the midfield and two fast and hard-working wingers. Cover and stopper defenders plus defender type full backs. Sounds good yes? After a few years all that is gone and will never come back. What is left is a random mishmash of whatever "quality signing" they come across, and it could be good if they luck out with their signings and don't sell all their creative players for instance (because they won't seek "consciously" to replace their creative players...).

The simple answer to the OP is: "because he has a high reputation/PA". The OP's arguments about him not being able to dribble and that his mental stats are poor are irrelevant to the AI managers - despite them having access to the exact same information as he does.

The OP is right - definitely a good player, but not fantastic. Not perfect. Worth 25 million pounds? Perhaps not, but if someone is willing to pay that, that is what he is worth. Economy is quite simple in cases like this.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not saying it can't be improved - I'm just trying to dispel the myth that the AI can see the magic number.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I always have trouble finding a good DR/DL/WR/WL.... it is very weird...

if you are still curious use genie scout and check his CA and PA

I thought I was the only one having this problem, heh! It's really weird and the ones that come through my youth system are rated 1 star at most.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I signed a player 3 seasons ago on a free, hes only 19 and hes made the world team of the year and his attributes arent great. Im just baffled at how the game makes him so good and why teams like Barca were going to offer 25 million for him.

Why are you comparing this guy to messi who clearly couldnt be bought for 25 mil. A good player can play above what their stats suggest if they are playing in the right team with the right tactics, besides he looks like hes worth 25mil judging by current standards

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now

  • Recently Browsing   0 members

    No registered users viewing this page.