UPNATEM Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 4231 looks good! what style of striker would you advise? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will8578 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 i downloaded the 4231 and loaded it up and was like WTF its not classic then remembered u made it for someone, its very basic, works good, if you convert this to classic would you change it much? thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 You can convert to Classic as still single philosophy (plug and play), but I would use the TC to make a control and counter tactic and then convert these to classic as well. TM is really a quick forward like Defoe but quick and good in air would probably be better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
king_karl Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 King KarlJust for you I've set up a TC 4231 - all TC features available - if useful I can add 4411 type tactics. 4231spursattack.tac - 0.00MB And thats why i love you. Thank you very much Knap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
will8578 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 You can convert to Classic as still single philosophy (plug and play), but I would use the TC to make a control and counter tactic and then convert these to classic as well.TM is really a quick forward like Defoe but quick and good in air would probably be better. thank you for the reply, suarez for liverpool is a beast with this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 Hopefully next 4222 will be along! Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qadsawee79 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 Knap .. i am an admirer for your work .. I have a question .. it may sound a silly one but plz forgive my stupidity if it was mentioned before and i didn't notice ... what happens if i use standard pich instead of minimum ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 The testing I did a little while ago would suggest that maximum performance is obtained by using the recommended pitch size for tactic. Minimum pitch size tactics probably allow much heavier closing down to be used and this has been a feature of FM09 and FM10 tactics. With the final patch I will set up a test game for max pitch size but it takes time to test so many variables. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
qadsawee79 Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 but won't you consider standard sizes in upcoming tests ?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 13, 2011 Author Share Posted March 13, 2011 I've always preferred the maximum as I'm the attacking team at home, however, even top teams appear to perform better on min pitch size at home so the logic is to use a min pitch size. For test purposes, it may be say a difference of 6 pts over a season, so it is not that easy to obtain a clear indication which is the better option without using the extremes. There is no reason not to use a standard pitch size and this pitch size may be best of both worlds. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
headshotbg Posted March 13, 2011 Share Posted March 13, 2011 I'm having great results with the tactic from the OP. But I'm 10 years in and have probably the best players in the Premier League with Southampton Basically the thing to look after most are the fitness levels of your players. If you are able to have 2 good players in each position (and some of the more versatile to cover injuries) you're pretty much guaranteed wins I did 2 seasons with this tactic winning everything and changing between two sets of equally good 11 players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koko4 Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Tactics tested with 11.3 Squads.Min pitch size required 4222 _ Knap11.3defp100f100a26piledriverdouble _Tottenham_ Jun 2011_.tac - 0.00MB http://www.gamefront.com/files/20116088/!+Knap11.3defp100f100a26piledriverdouble+%28Tottenham%2C+Jun+2011%29.tac Uploaded with ImageShack.us Hi KNAP! Could you please give me what kind of players recommend each position? THX Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeEp Posted March 15, 2011 Share Posted March 15, 2011 Your 4-4-2 Classic is the best tactic i've played with the new patch. Congratulations. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 15, 2011 Author Share Posted March 15, 2011 I do not have any preconcieved ideas about players< but just try to use the best players I can in their natural positions for the tactical formation. This is Spurs squad but I use same tactic if I'm playing Woking but you will need to buy or use free players with Woking. Uploaded with ImageShack.us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 knap did you get my inbox? I started a new thread. Let me know what you think. I have made some tweaks to the passing and width and results are even better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbuck Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Knap could you do one of your 'tests' with my three 4-4-2 tactics? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cragswfc Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 I do not have any preconcieved ideas about players< but just try to use the best players I can in their natural positions for the tactical formation. This is Spurs squad but I use same tactic if I'm playing Woking but you will need to buy or use free players with Woking. Uploaded with ImageShack.us in this pic of the tactic. well ive downloaded every 1 & cant find it, could you give me the link please Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 _____KnapFM11.14222CHP93F94A23 _Tottenham_ Sep 2010_.tac - 0.00MB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Another 4222 to test ___Knap11.34422P96F102A28Double _Tottenham_ Sep 2010_.tac - 0.00MB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Knap did you see my post? Or arent you willing to help out. Were all a team here Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 They are old tactics that I use as a base. I was out all day yesterday so have your tactic and Matts to have a look at sometime today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Preveza Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 They are old tactics that I use as a base.I was out all day yesterday so have your tactic and Matts to have a look at sometime today. Thanks knap appreciate it. I do think it has potential. Matts looks good aswell. Maybe make a trio combined 442 Look forward to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jase19 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 seems decent. the players being out of order (by position) in the team ratings/motivation/etc lists is a bit annoying though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 The tactic in post 69 is the same as I used in post 56. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fu_19 Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 knap what about a 4-3-3 your 442 has been brillant with my bayern team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Was that the 442 from post 26? What type of 433 formation? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 How are people getting on with this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogiept Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Knap, do u use a previous tact as a base? I ask u this because i am willing to tweak ur 4222 into a 4231, but wouldn´t the player roles selected at the wizard version influence player´s behaviour? Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 What type of 433 formation? I would like a 4-5-1 type. With a flat back 4, DM, 2 CM's, AML, AMR and ST. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbuck Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Hi Knap, ive just released V2 of my tactics. If you have time, could you test all three of them on your excellent test? If you don't have time, don't worry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 matt I will PM results when I find some time to test. Boogiept There is already a 4231 just a TC version. I have now realised this does not convert to classic and will try to set up a classic version. Shiraz I will try a 451 but DM tactics tend to need a new base tactic compared to 2 Mcs. The best recent 451 was Red Hot Dutch a TylerBode spin off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattbuck Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Thanks Knap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Another 4222 to test___Knap11.34422P96F102A28Double _Tottenham_ Sep 2010_.tac - 0.00MB Knap Surely this tactic the the wrong one??? It has the worst defence I have ever seen! The goalkeeper never comes out for the ball, also the centre back never close down opposition forwards and let them just run through. Maybe this is ME or you may have posted the wrong tactic, but its awful! Just got humped 5-1 by Celtic in the league, and seriously I have never used a tactic of yours before where you can see so many problems. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Steve Can you send me your game, as just played 3 games without any issues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Knap The results were so bad I never kept the save, but I just used your tactic again, against Celtic and this was the result: Not good for me at all, sorry. I'm gutted as well, as i'm a big fan of your tactics, as you know. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShirazS Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Shiraz I will try a 451 but DM tactics tend to need a new base tactic compared to 2 Mcs. The best recent 451 was Red Hot Dutch a TylerBode spin off. Well, if you get a chance, it would be nice Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Steve Just send your Rangers save and I can pick up the Celtic game. However, if you are trying a new tactic away to Celtic there is a high probabilty of a big fail. Can work other way with a good win but usually with trying tactics I use high morale and an easy starter game just to bed tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukepat Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 knap is there any way u could mack the bak four on the 4231 tactic stronger? scores loads but concedes **** loads im tottenham bty defiualt squad with eto chers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spikester Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 Knap Send me your e-mail address and I will e-mail you my game. Steve Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Steve Use the PM. Not sure why the 4231 is conceding as a TC tactic, just Can't happen! I am working on a classic version. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lukepat Posted March 16, 2011 Share Posted March 16, 2011 tbh its the best 1 ive used knap but i concede alot of corners and certain strickers do run right through my defence Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 16, 2011 Author Share Posted March 16, 2011 Corners and long throws are a problem area and I 've tried close down taker but I think it's is broken. Open to ideas on this one. If not using a DM then it is open down middle and often the AI will use 5 at back. Its a risk closing earlier from the CB as opens a gap at back, and at end of day cannot eliminate all risks. I may look closer at Nike defence set up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curuedhel Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 The original 4222 at the start of the post is working really well for me. Is it worth trying your second 4222 that you posted? Do you consider it an improvement? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fu_19 Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 whatever you'd prefer knap I prefer 4-3-3 with 3 strikers up top,but if you want to do it the 4-5-1 way,anything would be appreciated I use your 4-2-3-1 at home and 4-4-2 away works well Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dking Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Silly question but whats a TC tactic? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaşar Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Silly question but whats a TC tactic? the tactic which is done with the tactic creater in the game is called TC tactic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share Posted March 17, 2011 If a tactic is posted in thread it's often a WIP tactic. TC is Tactics creator. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogiept Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 Knap, i tweaked a litlle ur 442 posted above, wich i think it´s the best until now, to make it a 4231 and the results so far r impressive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
knap Posted March 17, 2011 Author Share Posted March 17, 2011 In theory you should be able to make ant formation from a preferred back 4 set up. The right MC is a DM, the two wingers can be wide forwards and left striker AMC or MC. With a classic tactic to be defensive reduce runs add TW and attacking add runs. If you have a good variation tactic post it up with results for others to try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
boogiept Posted March 17, 2011 Share Posted March 17, 2011 i´ll play a few more games with it. If it worths it i´ll share. The problem in this patch is to find consistency. One game i trash the opponent, while another one my team seem to behave like amateurs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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