stonini90 Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Bigpapa42 said: As others have mentioned, its drop in but definitely make sure you have updated your BIOS. Easier to do on the current CPU unless you have BIOS FlashBack function on the board. The newest BIOS MSI have available for your board will be sure to support the 5900X. Upgrading your board would offer some advantages. Better VRMs, PCIe improvements, more NVMe slots, probably more USB connections. You would be making full use of the graphics card you have because the board only has PCIe generation 3 and a 6700XT uses PCIe generation 4. Is that worth the cost and effort of a B550 board and the swap? No absolute answer on that, but like Bigpole says, the CPU alone will offer significant performance gains. One other factor to consider... the 5900X is a 142 watt CPU, which will run hotter than what you have. Make sure you have decent CPU cooling. I understand your points but i think i'm satisfied with the current setup so i didnt want to proceed with a complete new set up. I was thinking to keep it low for the time being by only replacing the CPU and then in the future maybe replace the M/B etc. So my question really is if replacing just the CPU with this M/B etc is ok, performance wise. Edited January 4, 2023 by stonini90 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolyon Chen Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, stonini90 said: I understand your points but i think i'm satisfied with the current setup so i didnt want to proceed with a complete new set up. I was thinking to keep it low for the time being by only replacing the CPU and then in the future maybe replace the M/B etc. So my question really is if replacing just the CPU with this M/B etc is ok, performance wise. Multiple people already gave you the answer. 1. You'd gain 30 sec per week in FM, at most. You don't use the pc really enough to notice the PCI, nvme or usb upgrade. 2. You don't have to do it for better ram speeds in this game, as this game doesn't care about that. 3. Davinchi resolve is gpu-intensive. It doesn't care that much about your cpu. So. If you earn your money with Davinchi, I'd just upgrade the MB, CPU and actually, most importantly, a much better GPU if you do earn money with editing. Otherwise, If you wanna gain as much with just a cpu upgrade, go to the cpu support page of your bios manufacturer and check the best supported bios (I guess the 5950x). The data would advise you btw to update to a 5800x3d (if you play other games) or 5900. Conclusion, I wouldn't pay $400 for a cpu upgrade to gain 30 sec in a game if I don't play other games or need it for work. Edited January 4, 2023 by Jolyon Chen More data 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolyon Chen Posted January 4, 2023 Share Posted January 4, 2023 (edited) So sad that Intel has - according to bios manufacturers - cancelled Intel Digital Linear Voltage Regulator. 20% better power management just went down the bin, and was cancelled very late into production. Now that Meteor Lake looks for desktop looks delayed to 2024 or even cancelled, a AM5 mobo would for the 3D 7000s at least looks better for FM as the temp issues will remain. I'm still buying the 13900ks as I have a z690 already, but I wouldn't advise it purely for this game anymore. If anyone wants me to benchmark the difference between a 12900ks and 12900k/13900k here, or wants me to benchmark everything before getting the 13900ks, let me know. Edited January 4, 2023 by Jolyon Chen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amclaw Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Type: Desktop Model: DIY build CPU Model: Intel Core i5-4690 CPU Base Frequency: 3.50 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.90 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2133Mhz GPU: AMD Sapphire R9 270 2GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 01 min 50 Sec Benchmark 2: 06 min 49 Sec Benchmark 3: 12 min 09 Sec Benchmark 4: n/a 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
amclaw Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Ryzen 5 7600 CPU Base Frequency: 4.7 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.3 GHz RAM: 32 GB RAM Clockspeed: 5600 Mhz GPU: Radeon RX 6600 8GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 00 min 38 Sec Benchmark 2: 01 min 43 Sec Benchmark 3: 05 min 21 Sec Benchmark 4: xx min xx Sec *DDR5 RAM, so the latency is a tad higher, so pure comparisons with DDR4 isn't as straight forward (or so I'm lead to believe) Brand new build, very happy with the timings. Less than half the time vs my old 2014 build. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fc.cadoni Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 If I remember correctly, last year someone has loaded FM22 in AWS server and run the tests? Is there something similar for FM23? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 2 hours ago, fc.cadoni said: If I remember correctly, last year someone has loaded FM22 in AWS server and run the tests? Is there something similar for FM23? Yeah, think it was @DementedHammer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 9, 2023 Author Share Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) Second Post fully updated and split into Laptop/Desktop to view scores at a glance. Full results with more in depth computer specs can be viewed on the spreadsheet Big thanks again to all who have tested so far especially those with lower specs as its quite an undertaking in terms of time. Edited January 9, 2023 by Brother Ben 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 21 hours ago, Brother Ben said: Second Post fully updated and split into Laptop/Desktop to view scores at a glance. Full results with more in depth computer specs can be viewed on the spreadsheet Big thanks again to all who have tested so far especially those with lower specs as its quite an undertaking in terms of time. Brilliant work, thanks brother Ben 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Konfuchie Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I use desktop i5-6500, 8GB of 2400Mhz DDR3 RAM and HDD 7200RPM (pretty defragmented) where the game files are installed. 90K players with default detail. I have to say processing is much slower than FM21 that I played just a week ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Konfuchie said: I use desktop i5-6500, 8GB of 2400Mhz DDR3 RAM and HDD 7200RPM (pretty defragmented) where the game files are installed. 90K players with default detail. I have to say processing is much slower than FM21 that I played just a week ago. Its hard to definitively say whether it is slower without maybe holidaying a full season on each but even then there are a lot of variables Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gothenburg83 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 7 hours ago, JamieTC13 said: Brilliant work, thanks brother Ben Well said - thanks Brother Ben and all who have contributed their benchmarks......certainly helped me when I did my upgrade a year or so ago! 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 18 hours ago, gothenburg83 said: Well said - thanks Brother Ben and all who have contributed their benchmarks......certainly helped me when I did my upgrade a year or so ago! I totally agree with you as it helped me alot on what my next setup was going to its not totally finished yet but almost there. I was looking for something with a strong single core performance and that's where this forum came in very handy. That's why i went with the i5 12600k, i was going to get the i7 12700k but thought the i5 12600k was more than enough as Football manager 2023 uses the E-cores as well in heavy cpu usage scenarios, like when you have many leagues on and with high detail level set and that is what i like going for the top 7 nations. Sso thanks everyone who contributes to this forum as it really does help people with an overall idea of what they want their next setup to be. It can be very useful. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 Cheers both, really appreciated. Glad its been helpful. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 14, 2023 Author Share Posted January 14, 2023 (edited) Type: Tablet Model: Huawei Matebook E 2017 CPU Model: Intel i5 - 7Y54 CPU Base Frequency: 1.20 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.20 GHz RAM: 4GB RAM Clockspeed: 1600Mhz GPU: Intel® HD Graphics 615 Graphics Level in 3D: Low Benchmark 1: 02 min 58 Sec Benchmark 2: xx min xx Sec Benchmark 3: xx min xx Sec Benchmark 4: xx min xx Sec Type: Laptop Model: HP ENVY 17 CPU Model: Intel - i7 - 4710MQ CPU Base Frequency: 2.50 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.50 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 1600Mhz GPU: Nvidia 840m Graphics Level in 3D: Low Benchmark 1: 01 min 43 Sec Benchmark 2: 06 min 01 Sec Benchmark 3: 14 min 29 Sec Benchmark 4: xx min xx Sec Edited January 14, 2023 by Brother Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BourbonRebel Posted January 15, 2023 Share Posted January 15, 2023 Type: Desktop Model: MSI Trident AS CPU Model: 10700F CPU Base Frequency: 2.90 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.80 GHz RAM: 32 GB RAM Clock Speed: 2666Mhz GPU: MSI 1080 Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Benchmark 1: 1 minute & 2 seconds Benchmark 2: 2 minutes & 32 seconds Benchmark 3: 8 minutes & 43 seconds Benchmark 4: 26 minutes & 16 seconds 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domoboy23 Posted January 18, 2023 Share Posted January 18, 2023 Type: Laptop Model: Legion 5i Pro CPU Model: i7-2700H CPU Base Frequency: 2.30 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.70 GHz RAM: 16GB DDR5 RAM Clockspeed: - GPU: GeForce GTX 3070 TI Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 01 min 02 Sec Benchmark 2: 02 min 12 Sec Benchmark 3: 10 min 51 Sec Benchmark 4: xx min xx Sec 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolyon Chen Posted January 19, 2023 Share Posted January 19, 2023 @Brother Ben PS: I fixed the problem I tagged you about last week. Anyway, hope you hit 100 this year. Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: 13900KS CPU Base Frequency: 3.20 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 6.0 GHz RAM: 132GB RAM Clockspeed: 4000Mhz GPU: AMD Radeon 6900 XT Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Benchmark 1: 36 sec Benchmark 2: 1 min 09 sec Benchmark 3: 5 min 23 sec Benchmark 4: 10 min 30 Sec Stock bios settings upped the voltage like a lunatic in a new special mode called EPD for the 13900k, so disable that if you play like benchmark 4. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 19, 2023 Author Share Posted January 19, 2023 (edited) 10 hours ago, Jolyon Chen said: @Brother Ben PS: I fixed the problem I tagged you about last week. Anyway, hope you hit 100 this year. Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: 13900KS CPU Base Frequency: 3.20 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 6.0 GHz RAM: 132GB RAM Clockspeed: 4000Mhz GPU: AMD Radeon 6900 XT Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Benchmark 1: 36 sec Benchmark 2: 1 min 09 sec Benchmark 3: 5 min 23 sec Benchmark 4: 10 min 30 Sec Stock bios settings upped the voltage like a lunatic in a new special mode called EPD for the 13900k, so disable that if you play like benchmark 4. Thats good mate. Great times too, 6.0GHz is insane! Intersting that the R9 7950X is slightly ahead of the two i9-13900KS that have been tested so far as most benchmarks in other software suggest it should be the other way around. Edited January 19, 2023 by Brother Ben 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jolyon Chen Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) FM is one of 1% of games that uses all cores past 8 in that specific scenario like Bench 4, even though the rest of the game is single threaded. The Intel and Windows thread schedulers and their poorer performance with Ryzen helps Intel in all most all other test scenarios. Whether it's intentional, I'll leave to you. Simulator games that are well coded is a very niche market (even most FM players don't ever play like benchmark 4), and everyone is way too busy nowadays, most people just go on Reddit or ask that one tech-savvy friend for a CPU, almost nobody tests things themselves for free for their specific scenario like we here do. Benchmarkers are 99% clickbait, scripted or don't benchmarks simulation games with very specific scenarios. Intel is running behind again in development and removed that voltage regulator into the bios that could make 13000s more efficient, so they couldn't push the chip further in our specific bench 4 load. Most people won't notice or need this. These reasons make Ryzen 9 better for well coded multi-core simulation games a quite unknown secret. Sources in spoilers; Spoiler https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-amd-performance-ccd/, https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-confirms-intel-dlvr-does-not-work-for-raptor-lake-cpus-but-it-may-on-future-processors, https://webtribunal.net/blog/server-cpu-market-share/, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/571766/why-dont-large-programs-such-as-games-use-loads-of-different-threads, https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/19 Edited January 20, 2023 by Jolyon Chen 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaikins Posted January 20, 2023 Share Posted January 20, 2023 (edited) Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: i3-8100 CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: no RAM: 24GB RAM Clockspeed: 2400Mhz GPU: nVidia GeForce RTX3060Ti Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Benchmark 1: 1 min 36 sec Benchmark 2: 7 min 02 sec Benchmark 3: xx min xx sec Benchmark 4: xx min xx sec Edited January 20, 2023 by Gaikins 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 20, 2023 Author Share Posted January 20, 2023 3 hours ago, Jolyon Chen said: FM is one of 1% of games that uses all cores past 8 in that specific scenario like Bench 4, even though the rest of the game is single threaded. The Intel and Windows thread schedulers and their poorer performance with Ryzen helps Intel in all most all other test scenarios. Whether it's intentional, I'll leave to you. Simulator games that are well coded is a very niche market (even most FM players don't ever play like benchmark 4), and everyone is way too busy nowadays, most people just go on Reddit or ask that one tech-savvy friend for a CPU, almost nobody tests things themselves for free for their specific scenario like we here do. Benchmarkers are 99% clickbait, scripted or don't benchmarks simulation games with very specific scenarios. Intel is running behind again in development and removed that voltage regulator into the bios that could make 13000s more efficient, so they couldn't push the chip further in our specific bench 4 load. Most people won't notice or need this. These reasons make Ryzen 9 better for well coded multi-core simulation games a quite unknown secret. Sources in spoilers; Hide contents https://www.pcgamer.com/windows-11-amd-performance-ccd/, https://videocardz.com/newz/asus-confirms-intel-dlvr-does-not-work-for-raptor-lake-cpus-but-it-may-on-future-processors, https://webtribunal.net/blog/server-cpu-market-share/, https://stackoverflow.com/questions/571766/why-dont-large-programs-such-as-games-use-loads-of-different-threads, https://www.anandtech.com/show/17585/amd-zen-4-ryzen-9-7950x-and-ryzen-5-7600x-review-retaking-the-high-end/19 Thanks for that, really interesting stuff 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaihu Posted January 21, 2023 Share Posted January 21, 2023 Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Ryzen 7900x CPU Base Frequency: 4.70 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.60 GHz RAM:64GB RAM Clockspeed: 6200 MT/s GPU: Radeon 6700 10G Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 37 Sec Benchmark 2: 1 min 14 Sec Benchmark 3: 5 min 10 Sec Benchmark 4: 11 min 00 Sec Recently upgraded the PC from a 4790k, and it's a very nice improvement (slightly overclocked, that one did 11:47 in benchmark 3). Happy with the results, and I have a feeling the RAM speed might be fairly important - the Kingston 64Gb set I have has XMP speed of 5600 CL40, but since it's Hynix M it can be overclocked essentially up to the Ryzen memory controller limit - so I got mine to 6200 CL32 (with other secondary timings also slightly improved). That dropped the benchmark 3 from 5:18 to 5:10, and bench 4 from 11:42 to 11:00 (although I can't remember if I ran the non-overclocked bench in this case after a game restart or not) . That's another thing I noticed is that closing and re-starting the game has quite a serious effect though - the first run always seems slightly faster than subsequent runs. Also I'm running my CPU in the 105W eco mode, mostly so the fans stay nice and quiet... might be a few more seconds to gain by removing that limit, but also... maybe not. Might try testing that at some point. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 22, 2023 Author Share Posted January 22, 2023 5 hours ago, kaihu said: That's another thing I noticed is that closing and re-starting the game has quite a serious effect though - the first run always seems slightly faster than subsequent runs. A few other people have said the same thing. It shows that there is value in restarting your computer before you play FM. I've not noticed any difference on my Mac but it's a definite thing on my other Windows devices. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BourbonRebel Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 22/11/2022 at 15:31, Wheatie said: I'm considering getting the same laptop as you I think for Black Friday, how are you enjoying the laptop so far? Are you planning to do Benchmark 3 as well? Making assumption givin his 1 and 2 times are similar to mine. I’d estimate 8-9 minutes like mine was with a 10700F (desktop) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BourbonRebel Posted January 22, 2023 Share Posted January 22, 2023 On 06/01/2023 at 23:44, amclaw said: Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Ryzen 5 7600 CPU Base Frequency: 4.7 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.3 GHz RAM: 32 GB RAM Clockspeed: 5600 Mhz GPU: Radeon RX 6600 8GB Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 00 min 38 Sec Benchmark 2: 01 min 43 Sec Benchmark 3: 05 min 21 Sec Benchmark 4: xx min xx Sec *DDR5 RAM, so the latency is a tad higher, so pure comparisons with DDR4 isn't as straight forward (or so I'm lead to believe) Brand new build, very happy with the timings. Less than half the time vs my old 2014 build. Would you care to do benchmark 4 if you ever have the time. Curious on how it compares to the 7900 as they posted roughly the same benchmark 3 time Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
marioo Posted January 25, 2023 Share Posted January 25, 2023 Changelist 23.2.2 - Stability and crash fixes, including some users being unable to process past specific in-game dates or encountering problems when attempting to load saves- Improvements to performance in game, including game start up time and increasing rate of processing speed in some situations between days - Changes to game performance during matches - Removed additional game border that would appear instead of Macbook notch for users running on recent models of M1 Macs - Fix for set piece delivery aim instruction sometimes becoming unavailable I have the impression that the simulation is actually faster 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxShing Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: AMD Ryzen 9 7900X CPU Base Frequency: 4.70 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.60 GHz RAM: DDR5 16GB x 2 RAM Clockspeed: 6000Mhz GPU: Nvidia GeForce GTX 1080 Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 37 Sec Benchmark 2: 01 min 16 Sec Benchmark 3: 05 min 08 Sec Benchmark 4: 11 min 39 Sec ***with my Asus motherboard , PBO enhancement is ON, and thermal limit on CPU is 70 degree , based on https://edgeup.asus.com/2022/control-the-temps-of-your-amd-ryzen-7000-series-cpu-with-asus-exclusive-pbo-enhancement/ website multi core performance reduce around 3%*** 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoyInGreen Posted January 27, 2023 Share Posted January 27, 2023 Type: Laptop Model: HP Laptop Model 15-da1010na CPU Model: Intel i7-8565U CPU Base Frequency: 1.80 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.60 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2394.2Mhz GPU: Intel UHD Graphics 620 Graphics Level in 3D: Low Benchmark 1: 02 min 08 Sec 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 28, 2023 Author Share Posted January 28, 2023 On 25/01/2023 at 18:15, marioo said: I have the impression that the simulation is actually faster I'll rerun my benchmarks to check Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted January 29, 2023 SI Staff Share Posted January 29, 2023 3 hours ago, Brother Ben said: I'll rerun my benchmarks to check In general cases I wouldln't expect much difference, iirc it was more some saves hit a bug that caused them to slowdown 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel_plays_fm Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 Three benchmarks from me...I'm having a look at all my computers and deciding whether now is the time to upgrade. Thanks for this thread, it's great. It looks like a M1 or M2 laptop is in my future. -- Type: Desktop Model: Mac Mini CPU Model: M1 CPU Base Frequency: 3.20 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.20 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 4266Mhz GPU: M1 7 Core Apple Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 43 Sec Benchmark 2: 02 min 22 Sec Benchmark 3: 06 min 28 Sec Benchmark 4: 25 min 47 Sec -- Type: Desktop Model: Self-build CPU Model: i9-9900k CPU Base Frequency: 3.60 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.00 GHz RAM: 32GB RAM Clockspeed: 3200Mhz GPU: 1080 Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 59 Sec Benchmark 2: 02 min 17 Sec Benchmark 3: xx min xx Sec Benchmark 4: xx min xx Sec -- Type: Laptop Model: Lenovo Thinkpad T480s CPU Model: i7-8550u CPU Base Frequency: 1.80 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 4.00 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 2400Mhz GPU: none Graphics Level in 3D: [not sure] Benchmark 1: 1 min 57 plugged in, 2 min 28 on battery Benchmark 2: 07 min 44 Sec plugged in, 07 min 48 on battery ...I'm afraid this laptop was pretty shot-out thermally by the time I got round to running benchmark 2...looks like it's time to upgrade away from it for FM and simply use it for surfing the web / doing Excel from now on 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel_plays_fm Posted January 29, 2023 Share Posted January 29, 2023 (edited) In case of interest to others, I have been looking at the correlations between the tests that have run here and generic CPU benchmarks. Correlations between Geekbench and the test scores here for all posted benchmarks )from the M1 apple silicon and faster) were as follows: Test 1 - 0.851 to Geekbench single-thread, 0.602 to Geekbench multi-thread Test 2 - 0.792 to Geekbench single-thread, 0.888 to Geekbench multi-thread Test 3 - 0.798 to Geekbench single-thread, 0.886 to Geekbench multi-thread Test 4 - 0.930 to Geekbench single-thread, 0.936 to Geekbench multi-thread I looked at Passmark also but Geekbench has higher correlations. At first glance this runs against the idea that FM puts heavy single-thread loads on the CPU without much parallelisation. Having said that I ran some real-world benchmarks across my three computers using my current save (10 leagues loaded, detail turned down) and test 1 was a better predictor of real-world performance than tests 2, 3 or 4. Flagging this here because I can't figure out whether I think a M1 Pro Macbook Pro or a M2 Macbook Air would be faster for playing FM in the real world. They cost about the same now that the new M2 Pro Macbook Pros have come out (January 2023) - and I think for FM performance they might be about the same - although before I had looked at any numbers I would have guessed the M1 Pro was faster. Now I have looked at the numbers I think the 10 core model might be, I'm less sure about the 8 core model. In case of interest, Geekbench benchmarks for macbooks and various other computers are as follows (can you tell I can't figure out which one I want to buy yet! LOL) M1 Macbook Air - 1,707 single, 7,427 multi M2 Macbook Air - 1,893 single, 8,739 multi M1 Pro (8 core) Macbook Pro 14 - 1,731 single, 9,543 multi M1 Pro (10 core) Macbook Pro 14 - 1,737 single, 12,039 multi M2 Pro (10 core) Macbook Pro 14 - 1,958 single, 12,077 multi M2 Pro (12 core) Macbook Pro 14 - 1,964 single, 15,116 multi i9-13900K (fastest CPU available today) - 2,237 single, 25,374 multi i9-9900k (CPU on my desktop built in 2019, fastest available then, how times change) - 1,304 single, 8,472 multi Edited January 29, 2023 by squirrel_plays_fm 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ben Posted January 30, 2023 Author Share Posted January 30, 2023 (edited) A big thanks for this, really interesting stuff. 21 hours ago, squirrel_plays_fm said: M1 Macbook Air - 1,707 single, 7,427 multi i9-9900k (CPU on my desktop built in 2019, fastest available then, how times change) - 1,304 single, 8,472 multi I can't believe how close the two above are. Within 2 years there was a mobile processor released, in a fanless 13 inches no less, that has similar performance to intels flagship CPU. I realise that thermals are an issue and prohibit direct comparison but its still pretty amazing. Edited January 30, 2023 by Brother Ben Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel_plays_fm Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 Yep, can confirm FM play on (1) a 9900k 32gb desktop - pretty much the top of the range self-build PC possible in 2019 is noticeably slower than (2) a M1 mac mini. A pretty wild result. Here's a 'real world' FM23 example...I holidayed through the January transfer window (28 Dec to 25 January) on my save which is in the Greek first division about 12 seasons in with about 10 leagues loaded and around 100,000 players in database. Detail turned down where possible. Same starting point on each computer. M1 Mac Mini took 8 mins 40. 9900k desktop took 11 mins 22. T480s laptop took 19 mins 11 plugged in. I didn't bother doing it unplugged on the T480s as I expect based on other tests I had done it would have been >25 minutes. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrel_plays_fm Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 (edited) And now after the new computer is here. Base spec M2 Pro Macbook Pro, 10 core 16 / 512 Type: Laptop Model: Macbook Pro 14, on battery CPU Model: M2 Pro (10 core) CPU Base Frequency: 2.4 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 3.6 GHz RAM: 16GB RAM Clockspeed: 6400Mhz GPU: M2 16 core GPU Apple Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 37 Sec Benchmark 2: 01 min 41 Sec Benchmark 3: 05 min 33 Sec Benchmark 4: 18 min 19 Sec Edited January 31, 2023 by squirrel_plays_fm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangue Blu Posted February 1, 2023 Share Posted February 1, 2023 I'm building a new PC, it looks like the 7950X is the best for FM at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Some of these benchmarks look rather like AMD/Intel fanboyism has replaced actual time measurement tbf. I've been doing benchmarks across a 5800X3D, 13400 & 7600X at home and will also do the incoming 13700K replacement for the 13400, there's typically a 2-3 second difference when multiple runs are done each day on each machine, sometimes as much as 10 seconds on any given day the reasons for which I'm trying to understand but some of the times submitted herein are dubious to anyone with a brain. Not gonna name and shame, but it IS clear as day. Shame really. I was looking forward to sharing once I had the second rig updated to 13700K to test too but it seems pointless where some folks are plain ol' making it up as they go along. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 On 29/01/2023 at 01:53, EdL said: In general cases I wouldln't expect much difference, iirc it was more some saves hit a bug that caused them to slowdown Would this be where task manager shows an extra process under FM called crash monitor or something similar despite there being no actual crash? I've had a couple of tests run longer but noticed the extra process under fm.exe in TM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pompeyboyz Posted February 2, 2023 Share Posted February 2, 2023 Decided to run a few tests on Benchmarks 1 and 2 as there was an update to see if it changed anything. My original scores were based on "real world" scenarios where I had all my usual stuff also open like Chrome and background apps etc. The new scores were done with "best case" scenarios where I shut down all background apps and only the bare essentials were running. Original Score Run 1 Run 2 Run 3 Run 4 Benchmark 1 0:57.00 0:58.39 0:52.49 0:52.11 0:51.99 Benchmark 2 2:11.00 2:02.67 2:01.95 2:03.31 2:03.12 I am quite puzzled by the fairly significant drop between Run1 and Run 2 on Benchmark 1. The only difference between Run 1 and Run 2 was that Run 1 I started FM23 and loaded the benchmark as opposed to just reloading Run's 2-4 Run 4 on benchmark 2 was to check the loading fresh scenario like Run 1 was on Benchmark 1 but there was no difference between Runs 1-4 quite as big as that one in Benchmark 1. The drops between the Original Sores and the new score could be down to shutting off excess apps and processes but there was nothing I did differently between Run 1 and 2 on Benchmark 1 apart from the loading process 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI Staff EdL Posted February 2, 2023 SI Staff Share Posted February 2, 2023 2 hours ago, CoffeeFueledCurmudgeon said: Would this be where task manager shows an extra process under FM called crash monitor or something similar despite there being no actual crash? I've had a couple of tests run longer but noticed the extra process under fm.exe in TM. no, that is expected, the crash reporter is there in case the game crashes 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsten 75 Posted February 3, 2023 Share Posted February 3, 2023 (edited) Hello. I dont have the FM 2023 yet but wil buy in a few days when I have more time. I just tested the FM 2021 with my new processor and something was very interesting. ( Sorry I post it in the 2023 thread.. ) 13700K (Stock) 32GB Ram SSD 1080 ti Benchmark A 1 Minute 11 Seconds Benchmark B 5 Minutes 24 Seconds Benchmark C 7 Minutes 0 Seconds CPU Temperature was 99 C. Try to undervolt and set a power limit. With a Power Limit of 150 Watt i had those results: Benchmark A 1 Minute 10 Seconds Benchmark B 5 Minutes 23 Seconds Benchmark C 6 Minutes 54 Seconds Only Benchmark C was about 95 C, A and B between 70 and 75 C As I will receive the FM 2023 I will test it with stock and Power Limit. But i was surprised that the Power Limit made a better Performance ... Edited February 3, 2023 by Carsten 75 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieTC13 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) 22 hours ago, Carsten 75 said: Hello. I dont have the FM 2023 yet but wil buy in a few days when I have more time. I just tested the FM 2021 with my new processor and something was very interesting. ( Sorry I post it in the 2023 thread.. ) 13700K (Stock) 32GB Ram SSD 1080 ti Benchmark A 1 Minute 11 Seconds Benchmark B 5 Minutes 24 Seconds Benchmark C 7 Minutes 0 Seconds CPU Temperature was 99 C. Try to undervolt and set a power limit. With a Power Limit of 150 Watt i had those results: Benchmark A 1 Minute 10 Seconds Benchmark B 5 Minutes 23 Seconds Benchmark C 6 Minutes 54 Seconds Only Benchmark C was about 95 C, A and B between 70 and 75 C As I will receive the FM 2023 I will test it with stock and Power Limit. But i was surprised that the Power Limit made a better Performance ... Those times seem very off you should be getting much better times than that with that cpu but saying that it was 2021 version and i haven't seen a 12th or 13th gen on that so it might be a lot quicker on 2023 Edited February 4, 2023 by JamieTC13 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsten 75 Posted February 4, 2023 Share Posted February 4, 2023 (edited) vor 6 Stunden schrieb JamieTC13: Those times seem very off you should be getting much better times than that with that cpu but saying that it was 2021 version and i haven't seen a 12th or 13th gen on that so it might be a lot quicker on 2023 Thank you for your answer Jamie! I thought the time for Benchmark b was Not so Bad? ( Quickest in the list) But maybe you are right. I tested the Intel Benchmark and only got 9848 Points .. Edited February 4, 2023 by Carsten 75 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sangue Blu Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 Very off for FM23 but great for FM21. It just shows that the FM simulation is faster every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carsten 75 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 I just received the FM 2023 and here are my results CPU 13700 K (5,5 ghz Turbo mod ) RAM 32 GB 5600 Grafik 1080 ti nvme SSD Benchmark a 36 seconds Benchmark b 1 min 14 seconds Benchmark c 5 min 1 second Benchmark d 11 min 10 seconds I will undervolt and set a Powerlimit of 150-180 because the temperature is getting very high. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
psucolonel Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 How do people feel these specs will fare for loading all nations and all leagues with a large database? The number of players come out to 188,500K. I am not worried about longer processing times, as I am a slower paced players, but at the same time I don't want an unbearable crawl either. I just started a new save, so it's not too late to start again, but this IS my ideal setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaikins Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 (edited) В 08.02.2023 в 04:32, psucolonel сказал: How do people feel these specs will fare for loading all nations and all leagues with a large database? The number of players come out to 188,500K. I am not worried about longer processing times, as I am a slower paced players, but at the same time I don't want an unbearable crawl either. I just started a new save, so it's not too late to start again, but this IS my ideal setup. It's mobile Intel Core i9-9980H/HK (8 cores / 16 threads, 2.5 GHz base, 5.0 GHz turbo). Should be as fast as desktop i7-9700K - so about 9 min (test3), 30 min (test4) expected. OK for Default details (test3), but seems a wee bit slow for Full details (test4). A few minutes on the game days with Full. Edited February 10, 2023 by Gaikins 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGL Posted February 13, 2023 Share Posted February 13, 2023 Last year had to buy a new laptop and this thread help me quite a lot to decide, so made the benchmark in case I can help anyone. Type: Laptop Model: MSI Prestige 15 A12UD CPU Model: Intel i7-1280P CPU Base Frequency: 2GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: (don't know this one) RAM: 32GB RAM Clockspeed: 4256 MHz GPU: Nvidia GeForce RTX 3050 Ti Graphics Level in 3D: High Benchmark 1: 0:50 Benchmark 2: 2:07 Benchmark 3: 7:03 Benchmark 4: 23:30 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxeneize Posted February 17, 2023 Share Posted February 17, 2023 Type: Desktop Model: Custom CPU Model: Intel I5-12600K (10 cores- 16 threads) CPU Base Frequency: 3.70 GHz CPU Turbo Frequency: 5.0 GHz RAM: 16GB ddr4 RAM Clockspeed: 2996Mhz GPU: RX570 Graphics Level in 3D: Very High Benchmark 1: 00 min 44 Sec Benchmark 2: 01 min 51 Sec Benchmark 3: 06 min 00 Sec Benchmark 4: 17 min 44 Sec Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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