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[Praha06]

Getting thumped by teams every now and then as they're just sending the ball over the top! Media prediction is 3rd in SPL but just been thrashed 5-1 by a Championsbip team. Celtic thumped me 4-1 as well. It's very ropey at the back even at the best of times. Yellow cards are through the roof as well.

When it's good it's great though.

[alanluo23]

does this tactic works with 16.2?

[Mattyc]

If you download the tactics and put them in your C:\Users\Your name\Documents\Sports Interactive\Football Manager 2016\tactics folder, you will be able to use them in FMT.

I'm playing the iPad game so this isn't possible unfortunately.

If anyone could take some screen shots and post them here that would be spot on, thanks!

[Tweebier]

Getting thumped by teams every now and then as they're just sending the ball over the top! Media prediction is 3rd in SPL but just been thrashed 5-1 by a Championsbip team. Celtic thumped me 4-1 as well. It's very ropey at the back even at the best of times. Yellow cards are through the roof as well.

When it's good it's great though.

Maybe you can change very fluid to fluid or attacking to controll, or put the defensive line to normal. I tried all that but is doesnot make the tactic any better overall. This tactic is for the brave, risky manager.

You sometimes have 8 players up front.

You should look for a central defender who is extremely good at intercepting, key headers and key tackles. For me that made all the difference.

Witth Den Bosch and PSV I won the league in the beginning...but I wasnot dominating. After buying better defenders, who wre very good in the attributes mentioned earlier I only had 13 goals against in 34 games. And totally trashed the other teams.

[Tweebier]

does this tactic works with 16.2?

Yes, it does.

[Tweebier]

Who do you sub when you stay with 10 men?

The attacker on the right or left.

[BayernMB]

Maybe you can change very fluid to fluid or attacking to controll, or put the defensive line to normal. I tried all that but is doesnot make the tactic any better overall. This tactic is for the brave, risky manager.

You sometimes have 8 players up front.

You should look for a central defender who is extremely good at intercepting, key headers and key tackles. For me that made all the difference.

Witth Den Bosch and PSV I won the league in the beginning...but I wasnot dominating. After buying better defenders, who wre very good in the attributes mentioned earlier I only had 13 goals against in 34 games. And totally trashed the other teams.

Usually this tactics is quite solid in the defense for me. But every now and then I get completely hammered. I had the best defence by far in Bundesliga (playing with Bayern), but I lost away to Hertha Berlin 5-1 (only defeat in the league), also a couple of high scoring wins like 5-4 etc. But also a lot of clean sheets.

I'm playing the control version of the tactics

[Wizard boy]

To those that do struggle with this tactic, do you use OI's? Found that my team play a lot better when I don't.

[Praha06]

Maybe you can change very fluid to fluid or attacking to controll, or put the defensive line to normal. I tried all that but is doesnot make the tactic any better overall. This tactic is for the brave, risky manager.

You sometimes have 8 players up front.

You should look for a central defender who is extremely good at intercepting, key headers and key tackles. For me that made all the difference.

Witth Den Bosch and PSV I won the league in the beginning...but I wasnot dominating. After buying better defenders, who wre very good in the attributes mentioned earlier I only had 13 goals against in 34 games. And totally trashed the other teams.

Yeh I must admit some players are not totally suited to their roles so I'll be looking to strengthen/replace as per the tactics roles and that should bring more stability.

[JJSaxton]

I'm going to give this tactic a shot, seems to be getting either brilliant or poor results so will see what happens and report back.

I'm going to look to take over an English league 2 team ideally one who has fairly suited players and try and get them up into the premier league and dominate.

[wixta79]

so when scouting for defenders you look at the stats they have in the league? because you can't filter search for those

Maybe you can change very fluid to fluid or attacking to controll, or put the defensive line to normal. I tried all that but is doesnot make the tactic any better overall. This tactic is for the brave, risky manager.

You sometimes have 8 players up front.

You should look for a central defender who is extremely good at intercepting, key headers and key tackles. For me that made all the difference.

Witth Den Bosch and PSV I won the league in the beginning...but I wasnot dominating. After buying better defenders, who wre very good in the attributes mentioned earlier I only had 13 goals against in 34 games. And totally trashed the other teams.

[Tweebier]

so when scouting for defenders you look at the stats they have in the league? because you can't filter search for those

Yes you can filter those stats. Go to:

Scouting - All Known players - and then press the plus (+) Icon on the far right - go to 'stats' - and select whatever you want

[Champfan10]

First season in the premiership with Hull and finished 6th, that's without signing any big players. Biggest signing was probably the free transfer of Jack Wilshere.

[Jorgen]

Testing this with Santos in the Brasileiro and it works pretty good. A few losses, but most times I win. (8-0 for example!)

Thanks for this tactic.

[wixta79]

hey tweebier can you put a screen shot of your XI from PSV?

[Tweebier]

hey tweebier can you put a screen shot of your XI from PSV?

Jost sold McLaughin, Faye because they are not good enough. But I still won Champions League with them..thats so crazy.

Propper, Zoet and Perreiro are under bid.

[wixta79]

nice one!

[samuelobo]

I have a question. I'm playing a career in the previous patch. The game was updated to version 16.2, the changes this new patch in the match engine only serve to set up a new game ? I mean , his tactic works in a game created in the previous patch?

[wixta79]

as long as your steam is online every game you play will be updated to the new patch, even saves you started on the old patch

[nick1408]

Just interested at what your successful crossing percentage is. I am running at 14% (not sure if that is good or bad. It's around par with the rest of the MLS)but have about 800 more attempts than the rest. Should I be looking to increase accuracy?

[Tweebier]

Just interested at what your successful crossing percentage is. I am running at 14% (not sure if that is good or bad. It's around par with the rest of the MLS)but have about 800 more attempts than the rest. Should I be looking to increase accuracy?

Hi Nick1408

My backs 19%, 18% and a substitute 20%. Yes look for better crossing stats or for better attackers who are better in off the ball, anticipation. The wingbacks are extremely important in this tactic!

[vara]

decent start using control tactic in Belgian 3rd div.

scoring for fun but cant keep a clean sheet, although the quality of centre back here leaves plenty to the imagination.

My Poacher has 9 in the 6 games, including hatricks in the last 2 games.

great work, ill keep you updated as i go

[vara]

league sorted with ease. goals aplenty and Mbazoa was on the end of everything, 34 from 37 games. He is nothing special.

Going forward the tactic is brutal, chances primarily all come from the same areas, Wingbacks crossing in.

the concerns are at the back, conceding 51 is far to many for my liking. 80% of them were also from crosses due to the wingbacks being so high up. I also found the CB's get caught out easily from balls over the top.

i did a few tweaks throughout the season with limited success. im certain with higher quality players they would have coped better.

discipline also a concern, however thats the price you pay for aggressive pressure. However, i had 69 yellows and only 2 reds from collecting a 2nd yellow. So this didnt concern me too much.

I'll continue doing some personal adjustments and post my findings if Tweebier is happy for me to do so.

Overall, an absolute beast of a tactic that will turn defences to rubble. But, be prepared to spend money on quality defenders.

[WI5ARD]

As guy previously mentioned, playing on iPad so can't download this tactic, can someone post a screenshot of the instructions please.

[Torminator]

First game in the spanish super cup I lost 3-5 to Real madrid (they had 6 shots on target..) The games following all resulted in a Win, as the tactic starts to gel.

Then the return game in the super cup. The away game to Real Madrid, BAM won 1-5 So happy! its the comebacks that make this game so beautifull (and sometimes frustrating )

[Tweebier]

league sorted with ease. goals aplenty and Mbazoa was on the end of everything, 34 from 37 games. He is nothing special.

Going forward the tactic is brutal, chances primarily all come from the same areas, Wingbacks crossing in.

the concerns are at the back, conceding 51 is far to many for my liking. 80% of them were also from crosses due to the wingbacks being so high up. I also found the CB's get caught out easily from balls over the top.

i did a few tweaks throughout the season with limited success. im certain with higher quality players they would have coped better.

discipline also a concern, however thats the price you pay for aggressive pressure. However, i had 69 yellows and only 2 reds from collecting a 2nd yellow. So this didnt concern me too much.

I'll continue doing some personal adjustments and post my findings if Tweebier is happy for me to do so.

Overall, an absolute beast of a tactic that will turn defences to rubble. But, be prepared to spend money on quality defenders.

Hi Vara

Thanks for your feedback. It will help make the tactic better. So all the input is welcome. Good to see that you had succes with this tactic with Liege.

I am now testing this tactic with a really crappy team..Cartagena...Spanish third division. (Things with PSV were becoming far too easy) Prediction was 8th, finished 1st. Totally dominated the league, so it is good to see that this tactic is also working with very mediocre teams.

My wingbacks were very succesfull with 30 and 14 assists. But I noticied that my 2 central defenders were acting totally stupid in some games. They put pressure on the same striker, leaving the other stiker or attacking midfielder totallly free in the box. That was weird to see, because it lacked intelligence. When i put my deep lying midfielder on man marking and closing down their attacking midfielder and put one of my central defenders in a cover role with closing down less , things went better. But is is clear to me that i need far better central defenders. On this level they lack intelligence. But hey, who am I to complain. I finished 1ste and got promoted.

Thankfully I have a bunch of scouts. Will be looking for defenders with a lot of key tackles and interceptions. Hope I will continue to have succes in the Liga Adelante and will work my way into the Primare Division with Cartagena.

[Tweebier]

As guy previously mentioned, playing on iPad so can't download this tactic, can someone post a screenshot of the instructions please.

Here you are

[Tweebier]

First game in the spanish super cup I lost 3-5 to Real madrid (they had 6 shots on target..) The games following all resulted in a Win, as the tactic starts to gel.

Then the return game in the super cup. The away game to Real Madrid, BAM won 1-5 So happy! its the comebacks that make this game so beautifull (and sometimes frustrating )

Thanks for your input. Good luck with the rest of your season.

Which team are you playing with?

[TheDentalist]

I've recently started to use this tactic as I've found it really difficult to get anything to work on this years game. From an attacking perspective I really like it, there's lots of nice interplay between the forward 3 and the wing backs. My major concern is the defence which, at times, is non-existant. I hate conceding goals and despite numerous attempts to make things tighter at the back I haven't been able to. The centre halves I have are pretty good so I don't think thats the issue. I'd be interested to see if anyone can keep the attacking prowess of this tactic whilst also making it more predictable defensively.

[Torminator]

Thanks for your input. Good luck with the rest of your season.

Which team are you playing with?

I'm playing as Atletico Madrid and jumped in on the vacancy in the 2nd season.

My players really suit the tactic. I have great CM's for the tactic and with Godin and Jimenez my Defense is REALLY solid.

I understand why some people feel the defense is a bit shaky, but it needs is CB's with very high positioning. I hardly concede.

I do agree that the AI seems to finish about 50% of their chances (or even higher as the case in the RM game), but I dont feel that is due to the tactic but more this years FM in general.

Played 6 games, won 5 and lost one. 3 clean sheets.

[tigertailz001]

Hey advice

I would sell them all and buy new players. No use in retraining them if tackling and positioning is too low. That takes too long to train.

Just look at the stats when you buy new players. I look at things like interceptions, key tackles, key headers, cross completed ratio, keypasses etc. That stuff really makes a difference.

An example: I just bought for my PSV squad Ter Avest from Twente because of his interceptions, key tackling and key headers. Now my defence is solid. This guy makes 458 interceptions in 40 games, has 101 key headers!!! He is so important.

I played 28 games in Eredivsie and won 27 of them. Just beat PSG in Champions League 1/8 finales 4-1 and 2-2, and made it to in de Dutch Cup final.

Every year I pick up 2-3 good players who are specialist in some areas. I am sure that if I take over Barcelona in 5 years (that is my goal , they will hammer everybody with this tactic, because I can buy all the right top players.

Good luck with Le Havre. Maybe it is better to play controll tactic if they are not so good.

Thanks Tweebier, I switch to control from attacking like you suggested and bar losing a Coupe de France quarter final, I went on unbeaten run and won Ligue 2 title and promoted to Ligue 1. A few draws in the unbeaten run where the team threw away some leads due to sendings off.

I've going to test both tactics again in another league, but my over all verdict is both tactics work excellently expect for too many cards yellow & red.

[alanluo23]

great tactic n sharing Tweebier. Any thoughts on improving defensively? shipping in quite a few goals.

[T-Rex]

I would love to try this tactic out. I am struggling a bit in second season after achieving promotion with Hull City.

But there is one problem: I am also playing on an iPad, and some player instructions (simply written down, or pictures if anyone bothers) would be really helpful.

The he tactic I have been using is also a 3 striker one, so I am really glad to find another one that is proven successful, that way my squad is not made up of too many strikers...

[vara]

I would love to try this tactic out. I am struggling a bit in second season after achieving promotion with Hull City.

But there is one problem: I am also playing on an iPad, and some player instructions (simply written down, or pictures if anyone bothers) would be really helpful.

The he tactic I have been using is also a 3 striker one, so I am really glad to find another one that is proven successful, that way my squad is not made up of too many strikers...

i believe Tweebier just posted the TI up a bit.

[Torminator]

Tweebier, have you tried removing the high backline and offside trap? I cant help but notice that my opponent hardly gets any chances but the ones they do get are often 1 on 1's with my keeper.

Gonna test it out on sunday myself, when I have time to play again.

[ilker136]

Hi tweebier,

I tried the control tactic with my pathetic Athletic Bilbao for couple of games. Even though the players are not quite convenient for the tactic (because I have to play wingers as deep lying forwards) I like the way team plays.

The biggest concern that I face is how wing backs plays defensively. I concede quite a lot of goals when their wingers cross and their forwards or opposite winger score easily. I will drop my wing backs to full backs with winger mentality and see what will happen.

[T-Rex]

i believe Tweebier just posted the TI up a bit.

Yes, Tweebier posted an image of Team Instructions. That's great. But I guess there are player instructions involved as well?

To recreate the tactic, iPad users really would need a list of player instructions as well.

[Tweebier]

Yes, Tweebier posted an image of Team Instructions. That's great. But I guess there are player instructions involved as well?

To recreate the tactic, iPad users really would need a list of player instructions as well.

I am not going to write down all the player instructions or post 11 images. Ik hope you can understand.

[Tweebier]

Hi tweebier,

I tried the control tactic with my pathetic Athletic Bilbao for couple of games. Even though the players are not quite convenient for the tactic (because I have to play wingers as deep lying forwards) I like the way team plays.

The biggest concern that I face is how wing backs plays defensively. I concede quite a lot of goals when their wingers cross and their forwards or opposite winger score easily. I will drop my wing backs to full backs with winger mentality and see what will happen.

I tried that, but for me that didnot work at all. Curious though about your findings...

[Tweebier]

Tweebier, have you tried removing the high backline and offside trap? I cant help but notice that my opponent hardly gets any chances but the ones they do get are often 1 on 1's with my keeper.

Gonna test it out on sunday myself, when I have time to play again.

I play without offside trap, because of the 1-1 situations. If I remove the higher backline my players are to far apart, too much space for the opponent to counter attack. That leads to more goals against.

But I am curious how it goes for you?

[T-Rex]

I am not going to write down all the player instructions or post 11 images. Ik hope you can understand.

There really aren't that much to write down. 11 positions and some instructions for each position. I guess that some of the player instructions are copied between parallel positions as well (eg wing backs and CDs). Anyway, if you (or anyone else on here) can't be bothered, that's ok. I just thought I'd help you do some testing.

[iolodavanki]

For Newcastle in season 22/23 this has been my most successful tactic. I used to play DEVASTATOR v2-v10, but this gives me way better results. Perhaps it suits my players. The 'wingback-cross-striker-tap-in'-routine is very neat.

EDIT: I use both control and attacking, but mostly control. I cannot say what gives me the better results. I am still a little bit inconsistent and in the PL that gets punished hard by the stronger team, especially this many seasons in when United and City have monster squads.

[BayernMB]

Just had a fantastic season - my goal difference was 124-18. I had two games where I got really trashed against weaker teams, but otherwise I was really strong at front and tight at the back.

[Tweebier]

For Newcastle in season 22/23 this has been my most successful tactic. I used to play DEVASTATOR v2-v10, but this gives me way better results. Perhaps it suits my players. The 'wingback-cross-striker-tap-in'-routine is very neat.

Thanks for your feedback. Yes, wingbacks are so crucial in combination with the 3 upfront. I finally had the money to buy a good wingback and he had 31 assists in 32 league games. My poacher had 60 goals in 36 matches.

Good luck with your career

[Torminator]

I'm having a wonderful season with Atletico Madrid as well. Lost 4-3 away at Barcelona (was in the lead 3 times), but I am not bothered at all. Won all 6 other games home and away with only 3 goals conceded (4 clean sheets).

Thanks Tweebier, this tactic is a lot of fun!

[Tweebier]

Just had a fantastic season - my goal difference was 124-18. I had two games where I got really trashed against weaker teams, but otherwise I was really strong at front and tight at the back.

Good to hear it is working so well for you.

[Tweebier]

I'm having a wonderful season with Atletico Madrid as well. Lost 4-3 away at Barcelona (was in the lead 3 times), but I am not bothered at all. Won all 6 other games home and away with only 3 goals conceded (4 clean sheets).

Thanks Tweebier, this tactic is a lot of fun!

Nice man!!! Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I am also really enjoying watching my team play. It is smart attacking play with lots of pressure and full use of the wingbacks. The opponents defenses are going crazy with the overdose of attacking players in the box. If they try to keep it tight then the wingbacks have all the time and space for deadly crosses.

Have you tried to change something? Make it better? Like to hear about it...

[evertonmarc]

Haven't tried it myself yet, but maybe moving the DLP back slightly and making him a half back (as he'll slot in when the wingbacks are pushing forward)

[iolodavanki]

Thanks for your feedback. Yes, wingbacks are so crucial in combination with the 3 upfront. I finally had the money to buy a good wingback and he had 31 assists in 32 league games. My poacher had 60 goals in 36 matches.

Good luck with your career

Thanks! I am like 8 seasons into the save (have been at Newcastle for 5 seasons now) so many players are regens. But some of the real players playing really well are Baba Rahman and Kyle Walker (32 yrs old now) at wingback. Also, Ward-Prowse, Andre Dozzell, Jordan Rossiter and Arianit Ferati are doing well at MC. Srdjan Babic at DC and Zach Clough at SC (left side) are doing really well too.

[Tweebier]

Haven't tried it myself yet, but maybe moving the DLP back slightly and making him a half back (as he'll slot in when the wingbacks are pushing forward)

No, tried that. Doesnot make the tactic better but worse. All midfielders should be playmakers. I need players who pass the ball forward, take risks, make themselves available all the time.