BenArsenal Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 (This is my first challenge of any sort, so any guidance is welcome. :o) Introduction Ever since UEFA started the European Cup, it has only been shared among a few Western European countries, with only a couple of exceptions where it has been to Eastern Europe in the 1980s (Romania and Yugoslavia notably). This challenge, therefore, is to bring the European Cup to the furthest outposts of Europe. Aim To win the European Cup with Europe's Northernmost, Easternmost, Southernmost or Westernmost club (or even all four if you're up for it). In some cases, even bringing the Cup (geographically) out of Europe. Here are the eligible clubs: Northernmost Tromso IL plays in the Norwegian Premier League, and are the northernmost top flight club in the world. Being located above the Arctic Circle, their stadium often sees snowfall during the winter months. They are a relatively successful Norwegian club, having qualified for European competition a few times, but have yet to win the league and thus making it to the big time of the European Champions League. This could be the easiest challenge due to the fact that Tromso are already an established top flight team, but the Norwegian League's ranking in Europe might be a hinderance. However, as has been pointed out to me, Alta IF plays in the Norwegian First Division, and are located even further north than Tromso. This could be attempted as well for an even tougher challenge. Easternmost Luch Vladivostok are a small team located in Vladivostok, on Russia's eastern seaboard. Geographically, they are closer to Japan than Moscow, and this has caused some problems for visiting teams, having to travel vast distances across Russia just to play them. They too play in Russia's top flight, having been promoted in 2005 after spending years bouncing around in the lower divisions. However, they have been finding the going tough, fighting off relegation year after year. This is another top flight team to take on, although it would be slightly tougher due to the fact that the team isn't actually very strong and probably have some difficulty making it into Europe. Southernmost The Spanish Canary Islands, located just off the Northwestern coast of Northern Africa, are home to three major Spanish teams, namely Las Palmas, Tenerife and Vecindario. Both Las Palmas and Tenerife currently play in Spain's Segunda Liga, one division below the top flight. They have had some success in their past, but are now mid-tablers in the second division. Vecindario, however, are one division below and are lesser known. They did have a brief spell in Segunda Division, battling their fellow island-mates, but were swiftly banished back to the regional division. While this challenge requires a season to get promoted at least, the Primera Division's ranking with UEFA could mean an easier time qualifying for the Champions League, should you get promoted. There are also three clubs to choose from, thereby increasing your options. Westernmost Santa Clara are a team currently playing in Portugal's Liga de Honra, or second division. They are located in the Azores Islands, 1,500km away from the Portuguese mainland, and at its most Western point, only 2,000km away from Canada. They are a relatively modest team, but are definitely the biggest team in the Azores. Their biggest rivals are their fellow islanders from Madeira, Maritimo and CD Nacional, who are currently in the top flight. But certainly they cannot compete for isolated-ness. One of their most famous 'sons' was a certain Pedro Pauleta. Another challenge which requires a season for promotion, and also the additional task of breaking the Portuguese 'Big 3' to qualify for the Champions League. Countries to be loaded As above, the following countries must be loaded (up to the division the teams are in, obviously): Norway Russia Spain Portugal Any other leagues to be loaded is entirely up to your discretion, but the four above are a requirement. Rules I wouldn't like to implement many rules, for this is a simple challenge with a simple goal: Win the Champions League with one of those clubs. That said, some restrictions have to be imposed. - A large database is preferred, although if your computer is not up to it, medium is fine. - Players from those four leagues to be loaded, preferably - Use of any external editors and utilities are prohibited. Otherwise it's just simple. Become manager of one of those clubs and bring them to glory. Posting Player naming is allowed Tactics discussion is allowed Screenshots are recommended. I would love to see your progress. Some screenshots I would love to see: - Your manager profile - If you do qualify for Europe, screenshot of the league table with your final position - Your European progress. Every stage and team you knock out. - And of course, should you finally make it and lift the coveted cup, a screenshot of the final. That's mostly it. I wish all of you the best of luck in taking on this challenge, and look forward to your success. (Any advice and questions welcome. Thank you. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PluckaDuck Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Well done mate. All 4 options are very attractive, it's just whether or not I'll get time to play much 'Extreme' Football with FC Frozen Nuuk taking up my time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
max1994 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 looks good i will probally start this later Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 Well done mate. All 4 options are very attractive, it's just whether or not I'll get time to play much 'Extreme' Football with FC Frozen Nuuk taking up my time. I quite like that game of yours honestly. The idea of a team from Greenland intrigues me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Liam Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 In Norway there are teams further north than Tromso. Alta probably start in the Second Division Group 4, maybe the 1st Division, and Hammerfest are unplayable at the start on FM2009. Great idea for a challenge though, and one I've sort of taken up privately in the past as I have managed Luch and Hammerfest on FM games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 5, 2009 Author Share Posted February 5, 2009 In Norway there are teams further north than Tromso. Alta probably start in the Second Division Group 4, maybe the 1st Division, and Hammerfest are unplayable at the start on FM2009.Great idea for a challenge though, and one I've sort of taken up privately in the past as I have managed Luch and Hammerfest on FM games. I see. Thanks for the heads-up. I probably went for the slightly more obvious ones, given that I don't know much about the lower leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technocactus Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Think I'll give Luch Vladivostok a crack. Jan 09 start. Large database. Running Brazil, England, France, Germany, Holland, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Russia and Spain. England, Norway, Portugal, Russia and Spain are run to lower leagues. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ihsaan Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 Great idea. I may give it a go, but then on the other hand my computer is so bad that it might just not be able to play FM at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeLikeFM Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 are you sure galway in ireland isnt more western then portugal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulHartman71 Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 are you sure galway in ireland isnt more western then portugal it's not. About 75/80 percent of Portugal is more western than Galway from maps of Europe I've seen in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCIAG Posted February 5, 2009 Share Posted February 5, 2009 And he's talking about teams from islands halfway to Canada. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 Azores Islands: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azores Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon_balmy Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 ill just finish my season and then ill have a go with Tromso IL Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 6, 2009 Author Share Posted February 6, 2009 Remember to post some updates for those attempting this. Thanks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PluckaDuck Posted February 6, 2009 Share Posted February 6, 2009 Azores is definetly the most west in Europe. I remember that when I was researching them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 No updates? Anyone? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DodgeeD Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I may give this a go when the new patch comes out - it all depends on how quickly I make progress on my gundo save. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave. Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 What a cracking challenge this is! Well done, Ben. I've got a bit of free time on my hands this weekend, so I think I'll start right away with Santa Clara. I've never managed in Portugal before, so this should be interesting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
minisav Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Fantastic challenge here. It does suffer from the problem that most challenges have. Most others are doing Dafuge's or Gundo's first. I'll take time out to do this after my dafuge attempt probably. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
max1994 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 ive started as tenerife and will post an update tonight Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 7, 2009 Author Share Posted February 7, 2009 Cheers guys. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatski Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I like this challenge a lot but agree with the curses(albeit great challenges) which are dafuge and gundo's challenges as no other challenge is every very popular! But if I get bored of my blackburn save then I'll come straight here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thandui Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I'll probably give Tromso a go, i'll try to keep you informed! Here's my Profile: http://img213.imageshack.us/my.php?image=profilets8.png Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rancer890 Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 It's a good challenge, but I have 2 challenges to do, and a signup that I need to update. :o Good luck to all who do this challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir_Liam Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I'll probably take up the challenge at some point with Hammerfest (If allowed), or in Portugal. I am though not starting a new game before the next patch, and I'm enjoying my Leicester save too much right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Hammerfest you would need to holiday and hope, if you start the game in Norway January 2009 you can play as Bossekop UL who got promoted in real life to play in 2nd division in 2009. Or you could play with Alta in 1st division both further north than Tromsø since they are both from Alta. Also as eastern is concerned, in theory you can get Sakhalin promoted to 2nd division which is basically on an island north of Japan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garumn Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 Bossekop's stadium is a couple of hundred meters further north then Alta IF's. of that I'm pretty sure. Both are MILES further north then Tromsø though, that should be obvious to everyone. Currently enjoying a game with Bossekop myself actually. Up in adecco after 6 seasons. Edit: Actually I checked google maps now. Bossekop's pitch is right next to Skoleveien in Alta. While Alta IF's pitch is right next to Furulund in Alta. It is almost impossible to tell which one is furthest north without the exact coordinates just looking at the map. So take your pick. Edit2: It looks like Alta IF is SLIGHTLY further north. here is google map, I put in points A and B close to the stadiums so you can see yourself. Bossekop is to the west, Alta IF to the east: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Skole%C3%A5sen+Alta&daddr=furulund+Alta&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=70.006539,23.05438&sspn=0.003257,0.013068&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=14 And both are clearly north of Tromsø: http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Troms%C3%B8+Norway&daddr=Alta+Norway&hl=en&geocode=&mra=ls&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=23.173984,53.525391&ie=UTF8&t=h&z=8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 With a bit of google earth-age it looks like theres around 200m in it. I can't believe its so hard for you garumn having played for Bossekop for several years and living there for longer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garumn Posted February 7, 2009 Share Posted February 7, 2009 I clearly fail at geography. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 8, 2009 Author Share Posted February 8, 2009 All right. Since I was slightly off on the Northern one, I will also allow Alta for this challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zenon Posted February 9, 2009 Share Posted February 9, 2009 Tromso have somekind of a "littlebrother" club, the distance is only a bridge away from each other. So I wonder if it's possible to managed Tromsdalen as well as managed Alta and Tromso . Both Alta and Tromsdalen plays in the Norwegian 1. Division. Anyway, very funny challenge you have mixed up. Like it very much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 But Tromsdalen have their stadium south of even Alfheim, if you're gonna throw them in though you need to allow Skarp that also play in Tromsø. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 10, 2009 Author Share Posted February 10, 2009 These are the teams playing in the Norwegian Premier Division in 2009 (I reckon 2008 should be similar, at least in respect to the Northern teams). Note Tromso's location: And these are the teams playing in the Norwegian First Division in 2008 (the earliest possible season in FM09). Note Alta's location: Therefore, the two Northernmost Norwegian clubs in the game (discounting those below the First Division) are Tromso and Alta. Like I said, I never researched the lower leagues, but if you do want a very tough challenge with a team from the Norwegian Lower Leagues, I'm open to it as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garumn Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 As for now Alta is further north then any Division 2 team as well. Beating Bossekop in the second division with about 200m. That is, at least until Hammerfest gets promoted from division 3, but they are not doing too great these days so could be a while. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
football_master_94 Posted February 10, 2009 Share Posted February 10, 2009 (This is my first challenge of any sort, so any guidance is welcome. :o)Introduction Ever since UEFA started the European Cup, it has only been shared among a few Western European countries, with only a couple of exceptions where it has been to Eastern Europe in the 1980s (Romania and Yugoslavia notably). This challenge, therefore, is to bring the European Cup to the furthest outposts of Europe. Aim To win the European Cup with Europe's Northernmost, Easternmost, Southernmost or Westernmost club (or even all four if you're up for it). In some cases, even bringing the Cup (geographically) out of Europe. Here are the eligible clubs: Northernmost Tromso IL plays in the Norwegian Premier League, and are the northernmost top flight club in the world. Being located above the Arctic Circle, their stadium often sees snowfall during the winter months. They are a relatively successful Norwegian club, having qualified for European competition a few times, but have yet to win the league and thus making it to the big time of the European Champions League. This could be the easiest challenge due to the fact that Tromso are already an established top flight team, but the Norwegian League's ranking in Europe might be a hinderance. However, as has been pointed out to me, Alta IF plays in the Norwegian First Division, and are located even further north than Tromso. This could be attempted as well for an even tougher challenge. Easternmost Luch Vladivostok are a small team located in Vladivostok, on Russia's eastern seaboard. Geographically, they are closer to Japan than Moscow, and this has caused some problems for visiting teams, having to travel vast distances across Russia just to play them. They too play in Russia's top flight, having been promoted in 2005 after spending years bouncing around in the lower divisions. However, they have been finding the going tough, fighting off relegation year after year. This is another top flight team to take on, although it would be slightly tougher due to the fact that the team isn't actually very strong and probably have some difficulty making it into Europe. Southernmost The Spanish Canary Islands, located just off the Northwestern coast of Northern Africa, are home to three major Spanish teams, namely Las Palmas, Tenerife and Vecindario. Both Las Palmas and Tenerife currently play in Spain's Segunda Liga, one division below the top flight. They have had some success in their past, but are now mid-tablers in the second division. Vecindario, however, are one division below and are lesser known. They did have a brief spell in Segunda Division, battling their fellow island-mates, but were swiftly banished back to the regional division. While this challenge requires a season to get promoted at least, the Primera Division's ranking with UEFA could mean an easier time qualifying for the Champions League, should you get promoted. There are also three clubs to choose from, thereby increasing your options. Westernmost Santa Clara are a team currently playing in Portugal's Liga de Honra, or second division. They are located in the Azores Islands, 1,500km away from the Portuguese mainland, and at its most Western point, only 2,000km away from Canada. They are a relatively modest team, but are definitely the biggest team in the Azores. Their biggest rivals are their fellow islanders from Madeira, Maritimo and CD Nacional, who are currently in the top flight. But certainly they cannot compete for isolated-ness. One of their most famous 'sons' was a certain Pedro Pauleta. Another challenge which requires a season for promotion, and also the additional task of breaking the Portuguese 'Big 3' to qualify for the Champions League. Countries to be loaded As above, the following countries must be loaded (up to the division the teams are in, obviously): Norway Russia Spain Portugal Any other leagues to be loaded is entirely up to your discretion, but the four above are a requirement. Rules I wouldn't like to implement many rules, for this is a simple challenge with a simple goal: Win the Champions League with one of those clubs. That said, some restrictions have to be imposed. - A large database is preferred, although if your computer is not up to it, medium is fine. - Players from those four leagues to be loaded, preferably - Use of any external editors and utilities are prohibited. Otherwise it's just simple. Become manager of one of those clubs and bring them to glory. Posting Player naming is allowed Tactics discussion is allowed Screenshots are recommended. I would love to see your progress. Some screenshots I would love to see: - Your manager profile - If you do qualify for Europe, screenshot of the league table with your final position - Your European progress. Every stage and team you knock out. - And of course, should you finally make it and lift the coveted cup, a screenshot of the final. That's mostly it. I wish all of you the best of luck in taking on this challenge, and look forward to your success. (Any advice and questions welcome. Thank you. ) This is a very good challenge and interesting. Will start a save game soon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technocactus Posted February 12, 2009 Share Posted February 12, 2009 Chuffin' 'eck, Luch are awful. Relegation is a real possibility. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 13, 2009 Author Share Posted February 13, 2009 Chuffin' 'eck, Luch are awful. Relegation is a real possibility. That's why it's a challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted February 13, 2009 Share Posted February 13, 2009 Its hardly a surprise, you tell a guy come in the russian league, he thinks about it for a while and thinks well ok its not that bad I can get into Europe etc... Then you say its in Vladivostok, hes like where, near Japan, then he goes and signs for someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 Been messing with Google Maps a bit, and it's interesting to see where these clubs are at. Tromso Alta (It looks really sparse) Luch Vladivostok (Incredibly close to China) Tenerife Las Palmas Vecindario (It would appear that technically, they would be the Southernmost team. But only just) Santa Clara Zooming out (with my placemarks added) gives you an idea how 'extreme' these clubs are. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyriddle Posted February 16, 2009 Share Posted February 16, 2009 lol Vladivostock one is amazing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 16, 2009 Author Share Posted February 16, 2009 After searching a little more, I decided to add in a bonus challenge, for those who are up for it. Keflavik plays in the town of, well, Keflavik, in western Iceland. They are one of the better clubs in the Icelandic league, belying their isolated-ness away from capital Reykjavik. Although they have not won the league in more than 30 years, they have lifted won the Icelandic Cup a couple of times in recent years, thereby qualifying for Europe. Because this is an addition, I understand some of you may have started and not loaded the Icelandic league. Therefore, this is an optional bonus for those who happen to have the league loaded, or it could be an interesting extra challenge to attempt for those who have yet to start. I reckon this one shouldn't be too tough anyway. Just needs a little patience. Keflavik Good luck! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quackje Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Its hardly that isolated, everyone in Iceland lives on that little peninsula in the west (except Akureyri) its not exactly far from Reykjavik. Its quite remote but not quite north enough or west enough. The only way I can think is if you say lets win it on different continents because that part of Iceland is on the north american plate. Already have Africa and Asia is covered several times over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
garumn Posted February 18, 2009 Share Posted February 18, 2009 Alta looks that sparse because the "stadium" (and I use that term in the broadest possible way here) is a bit outside the town itself. Dont knock it! I'm from there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted February 18, 2009 Author Share Posted February 18, 2009 Its hardly that isolated, everyone in Iceland lives on that little peninsula in the west (except Akureyri) its not exactly far from Reykjavik. Its quite remote but not quite north enough or west enough. The only way I can think is if you say lets win it on different continents because that part of Iceland is on the north american plate. Already have Africa and Asia is covered several times over. I guess you can put it that way also. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted March 7, 2009 Author Share Posted March 7, 2009 Nobody has any updates? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozzer-1234 Posted March 7, 2009 Share Posted March 7, 2009 this looks good mate Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Rudd Posted March 13, 2009 Share Posted March 13, 2009 I don't suppose there are any Russian clubs in the Petropavlovsk-Kamchatky sort of area, then? They'd be further east even than Vladivostok. The southernmost Israeli club won't be too far north of the Canary Islands, if you want to put that in as an alternative Southern Challenge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted March 14, 2009 Author Share Posted March 14, 2009 I'll do a bit of research for Israel, but I don't think there are anymore Eastern Russian clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vipertitan Posted March 30, 2009 Share Posted March 30, 2009 this challenge still open on 08?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenArsenal Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 this challenge still open on 08?? You can give it a try. Still no updates... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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